7/29/2005 11:22:22 AM

i know right

7/29/2005 11:28:05 AM

hey, be careful about kissing frist

hiv might be transmittable through tears and sweat, so kissing can probably transmit it as well.

7/29/2005 11:29:10 AM

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"i know right"

7/29/2005 11:49:51 AM

for real

7/29/2005 11:52:03 AM

He's gearing up to run for prez in '08.

7/29/2005 12:04:30 PM

when i saw it i was thinking, "hmm i wonder if he wants to run for president"

7/29/2005 12:05:56 PM

all i gotta say is thank god we're tacking back toward the middle on this issue

7/29/2005 12:07:15 PM

Yeah, its a smart move especially with the poll numbers on this issue....

7/29/2005 12:17:35 PM

He is still a douchebag

[Edited on July 29, 2005 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2005 12:27:03 PM

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"WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist on Friday threw his support behind House-passed legislation to expand federal financing for human embryonic stem cell research, breaking with President Bush and religious conservatives in a move that could impact his prospects for seeking the White House in 2008. "It's not just a matter of faith, it's a matter of science," Frist, R-Tenn., said on the floor of the Senate. Frist's announcement immediately dented his support among Christian conservatives but won lavish praise from former first lady Nancy Reagan, who said it "has the potential to alleviate so much suffering." Her husband, the late former President Ronald Reagan, had Alzheimer's disease. At the White House, press secretary Scott McClellan said Frist had given Bush advance notice of his announcement. "The president said, `You've got to vote your conscience,'" McClellan said. "The president's made his position clear," the spokesman said when asked if Bush stands by his threat to veto a pending bill that would liberalize federal support for stem cell research. "There is a principle involved here from the president's standpoint when it comes to issues of life," McClellan said. Frist notified Bush, Mrs. Reagan and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., of his pending announcement in telephone calls late Thursday, according to a Republican congressional source who spoke on condition of anonymity because the calls were confidential. Bush and Frist appeared together at the White House shortly after Frist's speech as the president signed a bill that allows health care professionals to report information on medical errors without fearing that it will be used against them in lawsuits. Bush introduced him as "Doctor Bill Frist" and afterward, Bush shook Frist's hand and said something that made the majority leader laugh. As Bush was leaving the room, he summoned Frist to join him. The Christian Defense Coalition lambasted Frist's change of position. "Sen. Frist should not expect support and endorsement from the pro-life community if he votes for embryonic research funding," it said. "Senator Frist cannot have it both ways. He cannot be pro-life and pro-embryonic stem cell funding," said Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the group. "Nor can he turn around and expect widespread endorsement from the pro-life community if he should decide to run for president in 2008." A heart-lung transplant surgeon who opposes abortion, Frist said loosening Bush's strict limitations on stem cell research would lead to scientific advances and "bridge the moral and ethical differences" that have made the issue politically charged. "While human embryonic stem cell research is still at a very early stage, the limitation put into place in 2001 will, over time, slow our ability to bring potential new treatments for certain diseases," the Tennessee lawmaker said in his speech. "Therefore, I believe the president's policy should be modified. We should expand federal funding ... and current guidelines governing stem cell research, carefully and thoughtfully, staying within ethical bounds," he said. Bush has threatened to veto legislation for expanded financial support for stem cell research. A bill to finance more stem cell research has passed the House, but has been stalled in the Senate. Frist's support could push it closer to passage and set up a confrontation with Bush. Frist's announcement will put pressure on the White House, predicted Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., a cancer patient and the bill's sponsor. "I know that the president will listen to what Sen. Frist has had to say," Specter said. "I'm not saying he is going to agree with it but ... I think may bring us all together on this issue." House Republicans, however, said they were "profoundly disappointed" in Frist's decision, saying federal funding of human embryonic stem cell research is fiscally irresponsible because it's unproven technology. "Senator Frist is a good man, he's simply advocating a bad policy," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas. Rep. Phil Gingrey (news, bio, voting record), R-Ga., rejected the praise showered upon Frist for bucking his party and the White House. "I think the courageous speech would have been to continue to stand strongly in defense of the sanctity of life," Gingrey, a physician, told reporters. "We will fight him on this to the very end." "House conservatives are profoundly disappointed at Senator Frist's decision to abandon this cause," said Rep. Mike Pence (news, bio, voting record), R-Ind. It also could impact Frist's own political future. A likely presidential candidate in 2008, Frist has been courting religious conservatives who helped make Bush a twice-elected president and generally consider embryonic stem cell research a moral equivalent to abortion. But the announcement, coming just a month after Frist said he did not support expanded financing "at this juncture," could help him with centrist voters. The announcement came the same week that a group of supporters for the research, StemPAC, launched a television ad in New Hampshire criticizing Frist for not scheduling a vote on the issue. Frist added on Friday that he expected debate and a vote when the Senate returns from vacation in the fall. With those political realities in mind, Frist argued that his positions on stem cell research and abortion were not inconsistent. He said the decision was about policy, not politics. Frist's decision brought quick praise from leading Democrats. "It is a decision that will bring hope to millions of Americans," said Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada. "I know there's still a long ways to go with the legislation, but a large step has been taken by the majority leader today ... and I admire the majority leader for doing it." Said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass.: "As a physician, Sen. Frist has a moral calling to save lives and alleviate suffering. He honors his Hippocratic Oath today by recognizing the unique healing power of embryonic stem cells." "

7/29/2005 12:31:52 PM

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"He's gearing up to run for prez in '08."

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"thank god we're tacking back toward the middle on this issue"

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"He is still a douchebag"

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7/29/2005 12:42:21 PM

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"OMF!!! flip-flop!!1111one "

7/29/2005 3:07:20 PM

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"Frist notified Bush, Mrs. Reagan and House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., of his pending announcement in telephone calls late Thursday, according to a Republican congressional source who spoke on condition of anonymity because the calls were confidential."

I love how the Senate Majority leader makes a confidential call to the President, and there's a source to tell the media everything.

7/29/2005 3:18:11 PM

7/29/2005 3:43:25 PM

Sen. Brownback just described his change as "nuanced" on CNN.

Republicans must hit themselves on the head with an iron skillet every four months.



[Edited on July 29, 2005 at 3:46 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2005 3:46:03 PM

This is great.

But I'll eat old socks the day he becomes president.

7/29/2005 5:59:58 PM

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"OMF!!! flip-flop!!"

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"He's gearing up to run for prez in '08."

Guess we'll have to make a Bill Frist flip flop thread in 2008. He's off to a roaring start, though I like the decision. However, as nutsmackr said:

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"He is still a douchebag"

7/30/2005 12:21:38 AM

He is still a douchebag.

But kudos to him for having the balls to step out of line on such an important issue.

7/30/2005 2:05:06 AM

you only deserve kudos if you step out of line based on your beliefs and not just on blatant pandering to the poll numbers.

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"He is stillmore of a douchebag."

7/30/2005 9:36:10 AM

ISN'T THIS A DEMOCRACY?

7/30/2005 12:08:04 PM

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"He is still a douchebag"

7/30/2005 12:45:05 PM

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"Sen. Brownback just described his change as "nuanced" on CNN."

That's actually a subtle insult, for a would-be Presidential candidate.

Remember, John Kerry had a lot of "nuanced" positions, too. I can see it now:

Bill Frist: "I voted against funding stem cell research, before I voted for it!"

When will people learn that the senate is NOT the right place to start your Presidential marketing machine?

7/31/2005 7:41:39 PM

how can u be pro stem cell research but not pro abortion/

7/31/2005 7:43:36 PM

either u believe life start at conception, as its written in the bible, or you dont

7/31/2005 7:49:03 PM

Could someone tell me where in the Bible that is?

I've read the "before you were in your mother's womb" line and the "with child" line, but nothing really saying life begins at conception.

7/31/2005 10:29:21 PM

^its just a jab. it doesnt say.

7/31/2005 10:37:44 PM

cause all stem cells are would be children and everything

7/31/2005 10:50:22 PM

But that's silly.

8/1/2005 12:05:37 AM

funny how the pro-lifers havent firebombed a fertility clinic for doing in-vitro fertilization, bc lots of embryos get wasted during that process


also...


what about all those ovaries that women just bleed out of their vaginas every month? those are the potential for life. arent they? they could all be fertilized and implanted in someones uterus .... just becuase they arent fertilized doesnt mean they wont become life. they have 100 percent of the potential of life. well, maybe 50%, but still the potential. THEREFOR they are life

and all women are murders. they do it once overy month.


[Edited on August 1, 2005 at 12:12 AM. Reason : -]

8/1/2005 12:10:27 AM

If you have sex outside of marriage you're commiting adultry.

If you don't have sex at every waking moment of your life you're denying life to a potential child.

8/1/2005 1:00:32 AM

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"what about all those ovaries that women just bleed out of their vaginas every month?"

no women, unless she has a serious medical problem bleeds her ovaries our of her vagina.

8/1/2005 4:50:20 AM

^havent you heard of menstruation? its the process by which unfertilized eggs are removed from a females body.


and its murder. those eggs need all be fertilized and then given an up or down vote.

EVERYONE GETS AN UP OR DOWN VOTE

[Edited on August 1, 2005 at 7:17 AM. Reason : -]

8/1/2005 7:16:08 AM

I've heard of menstruation, but the fact remains only an extremely sick women would lose her ovaries through the vagina.

8/1/2005 8:47:32 AM

8/1/2005 11:44:53 AM

^that's why he has potential to be a republican president ...now, when you aren't afraid to unquestionably sacrifice human lives in front of everybody for political goals, that's what makes you a real prez of the 21st.

woe is us.

8/1/2005 6:05:42 PM

bttt. haven't heard this guy's name in a while.

9/6/2005 9:10:25 AM

I wonder if he watched video tape of New Orleans and the gulf coast. Then he could declare 2 things:

1. New Orleans did not get hit by a hurricane.
2. The Gulf Coast is not in a persistive vegetative state.

9/6/2005 10:58:12 PM

wtf are you talking about, just because Dr. Frist has a medical diagnosis that differs from your so highly educated medical expertise? Where did you attend medical school, might I ask?

9/7/2005 12:57:39 AM

Bill Frist makes medical diagnoses that differ from REALITY.

9/7/2005 1:29:17 AM

And by what authority do you make such a judgment? In other words, where did you go to medical school? I'm not insisting on a transcript or anything - just let me know where you got your M.D. from please? That should be simple enough.

9/7/2005 2:01:21 AM

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"And by what authority do you make such a judgment? In other words, where did you go to medical school? I'm not insisting on a transcript or anything - just let me know where you got your M.D. from please? That should be simple enough."

i got my MD from a tear droplet.

i also got HIV from it.

























SO STFU

9/7/2005 2:16:47 AM

Wtf are you talking about, you are not making any sense. The concept of making sense is probably unfamiliar to you - please educate yourself to at least a nominal level and then attempt to rejoin the conversation.

9/7/2005 2:45:19 AM

^


how this for making sense:






1. you dont know shit about bill frist if you dont know that he has clearly stated on george stepha-whatever his name is's show that he believe you can get HIV from tears and sweat

[Edited on September 7, 2005 at 7:22 AM. Reason : -]

9/7/2005 7:21:30 AM

I bet you CAN, in sufficient quantities. For example, if you drown the death in infected tears, then odds are you've also got HIV.

9/7/2005 9:02:39 AM

I MADE YOU EAT YOUR PARENTS
I MADE YOU EAT YOUR PARENTS

YES, OH LET ME TASTE YOUR TEARS

OH THE SWEET TEARS OF INFINITE SORROW

9/7/2005 9:15:59 AM

Seriously.

I don't have an MD.

You know I don't. But you're being a bitch.

I don't have an MD, but I know that you can't get AIDS from tears.

I don't have a doctorate in physics, but I know that, I dunno, the moon isn't made out of cheese.

9/7/2005 12:07:20 PM

Well if you don't have an M.D., why are you in a position to ridicule the medical diagnosis of a physician? I was referring more to billy's comment.

9/7/2005 1:53:39 PM

I guess I can't talk about gravity because I don't have a doctorate in physics.

9/7/2005 2:17:37 PM

its funny because
he made the diagnosis about schiavo
that science then proved wrong

9/7/2005 2:28:06 PM