Laughing stock no more.

253 mph!

(An F1 would still kick its ass on a circuit. The porky thing is 4,200 lbs.)

1 - Get an F1, get a Veyron
2 - Engine swap
3 - Profit! (300+ mph McLeyron)

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=2419

Quote :

"After years of waiting the Bugatti Veyron will finally enter production this fall. Despite the numerous setbacks in development, all the performance figures announced at the first concept's launch were met in a recent test session. With a top speed of 253 mph, it is the fastest production car in the world. Just to be on the safe side none of the production cars will have 1001 bhp, but instead 5% to 8% more."

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"Before the production version was launched, eleven prototypes were extensively tested in the same grueling conditions regular road cars are first put through their paces. Several of these covered well over 50,000 miles to verify the reliability matches the performance. Despite the delays, Bugatti has managed to meet their goal set back in 2001, which was confirmed at the Ehra - Lessien Volkswagen proving grounds where a production Veyron topped out at 407 km/h (253 mph). The stellar acceleration figures are only outdone by the braking abilities; assistance from an airbrake and the massive carbon fibre discs can bring the car to a halt from its top speed in less than 10 seconds. The annual Pebble Beach weekend formed the perfect setting for the production Veyron's American launch. The company's CEO, Dr. Thomas Bscher was on hand to give (potential) customers a first look and feel for the car. Two days before the official Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance launch, the Veyron is seen here at the exclusive 'Quail, a Motorsports Gathering.'"

General specifications

Record last updated 08 / 19 / 2005
Country of origin France
Year of introduction 2005
Numbers built N/A
Body design N/A
Weight 1900 kilo / 4188.8 lbs

Drivetrain

Engine 72º W 16
Engine Location Mid , longitudinally mounted
Displacement 7.993 liter / 487.8 cu in
Valvetrain 4 valves / cylinder, DOHC
Fuel feed Fuel injection
Aspiration Quad Turbos
Gearbox 7 speed Sequential
Drive All wheel drive

Performance figures

Power 1001 bhp / 747 KW @ 6000 rpm
Torque 1250 Nm / 922 ft lbs @ 2200 rpm
BHP/Liter 125 bhp / liter
Power to weight ratio 0.53 bhp / kg
Top Speed 407 km/h / 253 mph
0-60 mph Acceleration 2.8 s

8/24/2005 10:09:49 PM

the Koenigsegg CC broke the McLaren F1 record earlier this year, and costs about a third of the Veyron.

8/24/2005 10:15:33 PM

my Accord could kick its ass

8/24/2005 10:26:13 PM

yeah i'd rather have a Koenigsegg or an F1

[Edited on August 24, 2005 at 10:52 PM. Reason : kl]

8/24/2005 10:52:43 PM

the cc only went 241
it broke the old record

8/24/2005 11:11:16 PM

that link gave me a trojan

8/25/2005 12:55:39 AM

but wasnt the F1 record was made in the late 90s?

8/25/2005 12:56:13 AM

congratulations, i've been selected to have free gas for a year and a seizure

8/25/2005 3:01:59 AM

^^I think it was 1992 or 1993 actually.

[Edited on August 25, 2005 at 11:03 AM. Reason : ^]

8/25/2005 11:03:01 AM

^was it that long ago? I thought it was built in the mid 90's (like 94-95). owe wells, still doesn't negate the fact that i won't own one

8/25/2005 11:07:10 AM

^I know it seems more recent, but I'm pretty sure the first finished McLaren came out in '92.

8/25/2005 11:09:59 AM

The McLaren record was 240.1 mph.

The Koenigsegg CCR increased it to just 241.02 mph, not even 1 mph more. But they want to try to get 245 mph in another future run.

The Veyron has done 253 mph, and is the first car in history to surpass the magical 400 kmph mark.

Funny how Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini have been trying to break the F1 record for more than a decade, but who ends up breaking it? First a Swedish car with an American engine, and now a French car!!!

I still want some rich guy to buy the Veyron and the F1 or CCR, do an engine swap, and then see how fast a 2800 pound car (CCR) with 1,001 hp can go!

For fans of the Koenigsegg, you can download lots of gorgeous 3,000 x 2,000 pixel images (~3 MB) from:

http://www.koenigsegg.se/pressroom/index.asp

And you can download the CCRs speed record breaking video (16 MB) :

http://www.koenigsegg.se/movies/Web_NardoWeb5031816.wmv

8/25/2005 9:26:31 PM

swapping an engine on a supercar isnt the same as putting a new engine in your honda

8/25/2005 11:12:23 PM

I know, but there are enough mad and rich people in the world to whom this would appeal. I guess nobody has thought of it.

I will email the Sultan of Brunei and give him the idea!

Any other famous really rich car lovers? Leno is another one.

8/25/2005 11:18:42 PM

Quote :

"bring the car to a halt from its top speed in less than 10 seconds. "

with the proper restraints, that would be a fun ride

8/25/2005 11:32:52 PM

Quote :

"Funny how Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini have been trying to break the F1 record for more than a decade"

How have they been "trying?" None of them have been concerned with that record or even attempted to build a car to try and break the record. They instead have built superior supercars. An Enzo or Carrera GT would eat up an F1 around a road course.

8/26/2005 12:11:13 AM

Quote :

"An Enzo or Carrera GT would eat up an F1 around a road course."

I am not too sure about that.

In the favour of F1: lighter, quicker

In the favour of the other 2: Newer technology

There is no way to know without doing a comparison test. Let's call up Top Gear and ask them to do a test to settle a bet!

8/26/2005 12:15:42 AM

tell jay leno, i'm sure he'd build it

8/26/2005 2:14:40 AM

i will email him!

8/26/2005 2:37:35 AM

Quote :

"An Enzo or Carrera GT would eat up an F1 "

8/26/2005 8:33:55 AM

Quote :

"Let's call up Top Gear and ask them to do a test to settle a bet! "

i would love to see that
the show w/ the carrera gt was fucking ill

8/26/2005 8:48:20 AM

Quote :

"the Koenigsegg CC broke the McLaren F1 record earlier this year, and costs about a third of the Veyron."

and parts are cheeper since the motor is just a modular ford which now has a huge aftermarket

8/26/2005 9:30:47 AM

Quote :

"I am not too sure about that. In the favour of F1: lighter, quicker In the favour of the other 2: Newer technology There is no way to know without doing a comparison test. Let's call up Top Gear and ask them to do a test to settle a bet!"

I watched a Top Gear episode where they were timing supercars around a race track. The Enzo was the fastest one, and the host said it was the fastest car he's ever driven. The Carrera GT's time was also faster than the F1.

(I mean don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the F1, but to say that Ferrari and Porsche have failed to be able to match its performance in the last decade is ridiculous)

8/26/2005 12:49:10 PM

i remember seeing that the mclaren f1 only pulled .86 on the skidpad and only decent slalom speeds. Now those two tests don't always mean a car is going to suck in handling, but it isn't going to be the best handling car out there.

8/26/2005 1:18:22 PM

i mean fuck, the enzo is an indy car w/ a full body placed on it... and has anyone seen its successor.. holy fucking dog shit i think it has 750ish hp or something ... same motor tho

8/26/2005 2:50:33 PM

^thats not really its successor per say. More a modified Enzo built for very few people. Not to mention its not street legal.

8/26/2005 3:03:25 PM

plus a modified Indy car? i think you're thinking of a Formula 1 car, Indy cars go in circles

(and a modern F1 car is ridiculously faster than any street legal car ever produced. check Top Gear for those track times as well)

8/26/2005 4:13:33 PM

what about the atom? he said "forget the enzo, this is the fastest thing on four wheels"

8/26/2005 4:26:28 PM

atom is the fastest accelerating, most likely. not the fastest (highest) top speed.

8/26/2005 4:55:50 PM

i'm makeing a streatch but alot of the suspension components are indy car in delsign on the enzo.
ohh and btw ferrari hasn't been trying too hard cause nearly all of there cars are rpm limited not drag limited. you'd think they'd just put a taller gear in if they wanted to steal the record.
not only that most ferraris have multiple times their own weight in downforce @ speeds over 100

8/27/2005 12:05:49 PM

http://www.bugatti-cars.de/bugatti/index.html

The official Bugatti site has great videos of how the W-16 is layed out.

8/27/2005 2:01:17 PM

From the latest issue of CAR:

0-60: 2.5 s

0-125: 7.3 s

0-188: 16.7 s

0-250: 55 s

"It pulls hard through to 240 mph. The only phase requiring patience is the 15 mph after that."

9/18/2005 7:44:55 PM

Everybody should post here to pay respect to the numbers above.

BTW, speeds above are approx 0-100, 0-200, 0-300, and 0-400 kph.

Oh and, the dash has three round gauges:

1 - Big tach in the middle

2 - 280 mph speedo (450 kph in metric countries) on the right

3 - HP meter on the left, graduated in 100 HP, starting with 0 HP, and with the last mark saying 1,001 HP



[Edited on September 20, 2005 at 5:58 PM. Reason : When Veyron hits 180 mph from rest, a lot of economy cars are hitting 60 mph ]

9/20/2005 5:47:19 PM

Quote :

"As Dr. Schreiber says “For 1000 HP propulsion power, the system demands approximately 2000 HP to be additionally generated as heat energy during combustion. Half in each case is dissipated in the exhaust gas and cooling water”."

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 9:12 AM. Reason : ]

10/19/2005 8:46:22 AM

nice pics.

10/19/2005 10:00:21 AM

who cares how fast it goes in drive? I want to see these things tackle some courses in reverse.

10/19/2005 10:57:40 AM

I'd rather own a Koenigsegg

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:13 PM. Reason : drive]

10/19/2005 1:12:56 PM

More, better pictures here

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Bugatti-Veyron-Targa-Florio.htm

and this isn't really all that "new"

10/19/2005 1:39:15 PM

some pics i took at a dealership in Berlin, Germany a few weeks back.

[Edited on October 20, 2005 at 6:40 AM. Reason : k]

10/20/2005 6:39:27 AM

Kimi Raikkonen + Mclaren =

They will beat Alonso + Renault next season

10/20/2005 10:48:22 AM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=108032

European First Drive: 2006 Bugatti Veyron

A must-read, it will knock you off your feet.

Quote :

"Or How All Known Laws Relating to Road Cars Got Trampled to Bits by a Thousand Stampeding Horses By: Andrew Frankel Date Posted 11-17-2005 Eleven years ago, I was lucky enough to road test the McLaren F1. We spent two days on road and runway, during which time it got from rest to 60 mph in 3.2 seconds, and to 200 mph in 28 seconds. I ran out of nerve at an independently timed 211 mph, long before its mighty 6.1-liter V12 engine ran out of urge. So I made a prediction: I said in print that there would never be a faster car than this. I said that the power of political correctness would overwhelm man's desire to outdo himself and that the McLaren would stand for all time as the high watermark for road-car performance. Which just goes to show that predictions are for idiots. I've just driven a 2006 Bugatti Veyron and, once you have initiated launch control, you need do nothing more than straighten your right foot to see it pass 60 mph in 2.46 seconds. That's as fast as a Formula One car and, conceptually, in as different a league to the McLaren as the McLaren was to, say, a Porsche 911 Turbo. Worth the Weight But this is probably the worst indication of the Veyron's true pace because it is a heavy car, about 4,299 pounds with fuel and oil, and heavy cars are never at their best at such low speeds. So let me throw a few more choice statistics at you: How does zero to 125 mph in 7.3 seconds — less time than it takes most fast cars to reach less than half that speed — grab you? There is no official 0-200-mph time because Bugatti works in kilometers but when I asked its chief engineer, Wolfgang Schreiber, to give an estimate, he paused only for a second before replying, "Under 20 seconds, for sure." That's 8 seconds — an accelerative lifetime — quicker than the McLaren F1. And, if you're interested, it'll do zero to 250 mph in 55 seconds and stop again in less than 10 ticks of the clock. An F1 won't do 250 mph at all. The Veyron is an orgiastic monument of automotive excess. For your million euros, plus local taxes (about $1,172,000 U.S.) you will own not only the most expensive production car in the world, but also the quickest, the fastest and, by a frankly ludicrous margin, the most powerful. You will buy a carbon-fiber monocoque onto which are hung carbon-fiber and aluminum panels. The car is suspended by forged-aluminum wishbones which support the fattest tires ever to be used on a road car, those at the back boasting an astonishing 14.6-inch width. Sweet Sixteen And then there's the engine, all 8.0 liters and 16 cylinders of it. It has 64 valves and four turbochargers, and the power and torque they generate find their way to the road via all four wheels through the medium of a twin-clutch, seven-speed semiautomatic gearbox. When all is said and done, that power adds up to 1,001 horsepower if you record your figures at an air temperature of around 110 degrees. In a more normal climate, it's more powerful even than that, with up to around 1,050 hp available. And because of this four-figure output, it is the Veyron's power that everyone will naturally focus on when, in fact, it is its torque that should really be frying your brain. A McLaren F1 has 479 pound-feet of torque which, as anyone who has driven one will tell you, is more than adequate. The Veyron, however, puts out 922 lb-ft, or very nearly twice as much. It occurred to me that piloting this car was going to require a slightly different approach. Usually when confronted with a very fast car, I do everything backward — driving first and thinking later. Were I to do that with the Veyron, I strongly suspect that my career, something of which I am rather fond, would come to an end as abrupt as it would be spectacular. From the Cradle to the Crazed So I spent some time installing myself in the surprisingly spacious leather and aluminum cockpit that looks about as close to a million-dollar cabin as any car's could. Offset pedals aside, the driving position is ideal even for very tall drivers. The key looks too much like that of a Golf's for my liking, but once you've twisted the ignition on and thumbed the start button, such mild complaints soon flee the mind. At first I drove it very, very slowly. The car feels huge, its extremities are invisible while over-the-shoulder visibility is nonexistent. I left the gear selector in "Drive" as I threaded my way down a steep, narrow hill toward the Sicilian autostrada. Very carefully, I drove out of a toll booth and, this being very early on a Sunday morning, onto a completely deserted carriageway. Until this moment, I had done little more than breathe on the gas because when the big moment arrived, I wanted no warning, no teasing introduction to the Veyron's performance. I just wanted it all, straight between the eyes. Which, when I flattened the throttle in 2nd gear, is precisely what I got."

11/22/2005 4:40:54 PM

Quote :

"At first, I thought some unseen being was committing an act of physical violence on me. I was not pushed back in the seat so much as thrown against the rear bulkhead as if hurled rearward by the shockwave from a bomb detonating just a few yards ahead. By the time it even occurred to me to change gears, the horsepower meter (oh yes, it has one of those, too) had flung its needle past 1,000.[/b] Were the reactions of the gearbox electronics not rather swifter than mine, we'd have spent a second or two rubbing noses with the 6,500-rpm rev limiter. But, instead, the Veyron just changed up seamlessly all by itself and without anything you or I would discern as a pause, smashed me back into my seat again, engine bellowing its W16 roar. And only now was there enough traction for the Veyron to put all of its torque on the tarmac. Third gear was really rather strange — it seemed to take the Veyron from one speed to another by missing out all the speeds in between; it was only when I tapped the right-hand steering-wheel paddle and selected 4th that I was able to really take in what was happening. And it was only then, at 120 mph, that the sheer magnitude of the acceleration became apparent. For had we instead been doing 120 mph in a McLaren F1 — until last month the very fastest road car ever made — and passed a stationary Veyron, by the time we reached 200 mph, the Bugatti would have already caught and passed us. An Easy Beast Sadly, Sicilian autostrade are not known for their straight sections and after one foray to the far side of 190 mph, I dropped 70 mph with one touch of the colossal carbon-ceramic brake discs and just cruised. And it felt like most cars do when traveling at less than half their maximum potential, it's just that we were doing 120 mph rather than 60. At that speed, even in 7th gear, 150 mph was a twitch of a toe away. All of which made me wonder how this feral beast would handle once I left the highway and took to the roads of the legendary Targa Florio road race, won by Bugattis five times on the trot in the 1920s. I worried about its size, its weight and, to be honest, its driver. In fact, my fears were unfounded. Once acclimatized to its proportions, I was surprised by how easy it was to drive the Veyron as hard as you'd drive anything on the public road. The engine's potential was not in doubt but careful throttle control combined with an impressive lack of turbo lag soon allowed me to drive it like a normally aspirated car, albeit one with a capacity of around 15 liters. I could squirt it between corners, confident that its phenomenal traction and its electronic safety nets would manage the power without spitting me off a cliff, and once I had angled the wheel into a turn, I knew I could trust the nose of the car to follow the instruction faithfully. Distant Thunder But this is where the tale turns ever so slightly sour. For while the Veyron handles as well as you could possibly expect a 2-ton car to handle, you have to make that qualification. A 1-ton Ferrari F40 or 1.2-ton McLaren F1 feels utterly different and, frankly, a whole lot more fun. It's simple physics: Two tons of car will not and cannot change direction like a 1-ton car, and the agility, intimacy and precision taken for granted in anything — from a Lotus Elise to a McLaren F1 — is notable only by its absence in the Veyron. There's no doubting its vast grip, or benign understeer-led behavior at the limit, but if you're looking for a car to talk back to you, to feed you every nuance of the road, and to make you feel truly part of the machine, look elsewhere. Objectively, the Veyron is hugely impressive on twisting roads, subjectively it is just a shade remote, which is the last thing in the world I'd want from a million-buck mega-car. And which is why the Veyron will always be a thing to admire and respect, rather than to love and cherish. For all its apocalyptic pace and power, if you gave me a decent road and the choice of a Bugatti Veyron or an older and slower-by-far Ferrari F40, I'd take Maranello every time. Cars like that, and, to a slightly lesser extent, the McLaren don't simply put on a show for you to watch, they give you the lead role. I'd always rather be involved rather than spectating. Too Cool to be Forgotten But I'm still glad the Veyron exists and am truly in awe of its abilities. Any car that does things no other car has ever done is intrinsically interesting but there's more to the Veyron even than this. It's not just an unbelievably fast and powerful car, it is also an exquisitely engineered car. If you had told me when I was road testing the McLaren F1 that one day someone would create an entirely usable, docile street car with 1,000 hp, I'd have laughed in your face. But they have, it's here, it's called the Bugatti Veyron and I, for one, will never forget it."

11/22/2005 4:42:41 PM

^^^^pretty sure thats the 2003 version of the various prototypes. anyone remember the bentley hunaudieres?

Here's what I can remember off the top of my head:

Back in like the summer of 1999, Piech was in the swing of his nutzo exotic marque shopping spree, and VAG was cranking out tons of crazy concepts.

The 18/4 veyron was the fourth in a line of bugattis (EB118, EB218, 18/3 chiron...), and there was the bentley hunaudieres also called BY8.16. The chiron, veyron, and hunaudieres were based on diablo chassis, the 18 cyl in the chiron and veyron (and 118 and 218) was composed of 3 banks of 6 cylinders, each I-6 having similar geometry to the then-new I-3 in the also-then-new VW Polo (sub-golf for europe). it made 555 hp, and ran, since there were a couple of test drives in british car mags with fabrizio giugiaro, the asshat whose main claim to fame is being giorgetto giugiaro (countach, diablo)'s son who basically inherited giugiaro design/ italdesign from his father. Look up their work, 9 times out of 10 the elder's work is way better. Anyway, there were lubrication issues or something, and the engine was abandoned.

The hunaudieres used the engine that eventually became the veyron's w16, with quad turbos and 4wd, originally rated at 623 hp, I think. I imagine they also anticipated a lot more of the v16 getting worked out in production of the coming the passat w8. Piech didn't like the italdesign-ed chiron and went with the in-house veyron.

Honestly, I thought the chiron was much more "bugatti-looking" and the veyron is a bauhaus design closer to the audi rosemeyer than anything italian or french.

Whereas the bentley actually kinda looks appropriate for a bentley in spite of it's mid-enginedness
Hunaudieres:











[Edited on November 24, 2005 at 10:11 PM. Reason : .]

11/24/2005 9:59:18 PM

SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXyyyyyyyyyyy

11/24/2005 10:16:14 PM

http://movies.autoexpress.co.uk/evo/261005bugatti.mov

11/25/2005 2:51:17 AM

60 100 180 210 !!!!!!!

11/25/2005 11:57:36 AM

km/h

still thats nuts. he said 60 in less that 2 sec from the time they took off

[Edited on November 25, 2005 at 12:14 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2005 12:14:42 PM

I think he was counting off distance.....I mean, the veyron's fast, but c'mon, that was closer to 8 seconds than the 18-20 or so it's been measured to get in the vicinity of 200 mph.... well wait... if that was kph... 210 is like 120 mph.... ok maybe.... nah, I still think he was counting off distance markers or something...


oops, just saw previous post....wow, thats pretty damn fucking fast. I was most impressed by all the audio. That engine sounds nuts. Not a gorgeous sound, just wow though...

[Edited on November 26, 2005 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 26, 2005 at 12:58 PM. Reason : .]

11/26/2005 12:54:45 PM

0-125 mph in 7.3 seconds (CAR mag)

0-188 mph in 16.7 seconds (CAR mag)

0-200 mph in < 20 seconds (acc. to chief engineer)

11/27/2005 6:56:31 AM

Looking at the placement of the engine in the bugatti, I bet you it's a bitch to change the sparkplugs

11/27/2005 12:19:05 PM