ok so apparently I spend around 450$/month on gas delivering pizza @13mpg in my Cadillac

that's 450$/month I could be spending, worst case, paying off a loan of a diesel, converted to SVO, which ideally I could get for free

so... I have a few questions for anyone that runs SVO, knows anyone that runs SVO, or knows anything about SVO

1) can you really, as I read so long ago, convince restaurants to give you their old vegetable oil for free
2) if I was going to purchase a car for the sole purpose of performing this conversion, where could I find the most value for my money? also, I like the thought of a convertible. are there any affordable/undervalued, reliable diesel convertibles? RWD and manual transmission would be nice too.
3) where can I find reliable information about the conversion process itself?

kkthx

9/21/2005 3:26:41 AM

can you really, as I read so long ago, convince restaurants to give you their old vegetable oil for free




haha

9/21/2005 3:30:48 AM

the fact that you're delivering pizzas in a caddy makes me laugh

9/21/2005 3:42:19 AM

the fact that you're probably one of these two guys makes me laugh, what's your point?

9/21/2005 3:57:21 AM

i'm not stupid enough to get a pizza delivery job in a car that gets 13mpg. that's my point.

why don't you just get a civic hatchback or something?

[Edited on September 21, 2005 at 4:02 AM. Reason : asdf]

9/21/2005 4:01:15 AM

because, if I am going to get an old, slow, smelly piece of shit for the gas mileage, it's going to be an old, slow, smelly piece of shit that has some unique value to me. I don't have the luxury of confusing old and slow for new and fast like a fucking ricer fagtard like you would, so piss off until you have something of value to add here. AND DON'T FORGET TO DOUBLECLUTCH, RACER.

9/21/2005 4:14:01 AM

really? because if i was going to deliver pizza as a job, i certainly wouldn't put any effort into the car i would use to deliver said pizza. it would be the cheapest car i could get my hands on that would use the least gas possible, hence the reccommendation of the civic. but i guess you wouldn't realize that since you're too busy thinking that everyone who posts in the garage is a 'ricer fagtard'

9/21/2005 4:27:12 AM

i heard a story on tv a long time ago about this chick that went to mcdonalds and got free oil

9/21/2005 5:48:27 AM

THATS WILLY'S RETIREMENT GREASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9/21/2005 6:18:26 AM

why dont you just buy a cheap honda civic

9/21/2005 7:30:14 AM

^

9/21/2005 7:40:41 AM

Talk to slideways. He's bought a kit for his '98 Dodge cummins to run it on wvo from restaurants. You still have to start and stop the engine on diesel to purge the veggie oil out of the system. It has to be heated to be able to filter the wvo. Check out http://www.greasel.com

9/21/2005 7:52:19 AM

as far as i know, the grease pits that restaraunts use are provided by a waste management company, and the restaraunt has to pay to get it pumped out when it gets full. I dont see a reason why they wouldnt let you pump it out for free.

9/21/2005 8:25:47 AM

Quote :

"2) if I was going to purchase a car for the sole purpose of performing this conversion, where could I find the most value for my money? also, I like the thought of a convertible. are there any affordable/undervalued, reliable diesel convertibles? RWD and manual transmission would be nice too."

Quote :

" I don't have the luxury of confusing old and slow for new and fast like a fucking ricer fagtard like you would, so piss off until you have something of value to add here. AND DON'T FORGET TO DOUBLECLUTCH, RACER."

you want an old golf tdi snatchback

9/21/2005 8:36:20 AM

the didnt make an "old" TDI. those didnt start until '93

i would try to find an '85-'92 jetta or golf or a rabbit (before '85). you can buy kits that have all the stuff you need (tank, heater, switches, etc)

they can be had fairly cheaply and are pretty damn reliable

9/21/2005 9:41:11 AM

i'd say 12 years is old

9/21/2005 9:45:23 AM

seeing as how most of the veggie oil cars i've seen were made in the '80s, 93 doesnt seem too old...

[Edited on September 21, 2005 at 9:51 AM. Reason : but, yeah, i guess you're right.]

9/21/2005 9:50:57 AM

Yeah, I'd take beethead's advice on this one. nah325i's non-turbo deisel golf had over 500k miles, I think the number was more like 700k. I'm also fairly certain he got it for well under $1000. Even just running regular deisel it got insane gas mileage. That might be what you should look into.





[Edited on September 21, 2005 at 10:09 AM. Reason : I'm pretty sure that's it, although it seems like it had a silver stripe at some point. haha.]

9/21/2005 10:06:12 AM

Mercedes 240D or 300D / TD, late 70's to early 80's.

9/21/2005 12:43:11 PM

-Wasnt there a mercedes diesel already converted for sale for $1200 in the technician a week or so ago?

-I think nah325i paid 100 bucks for his golf.

-Restraunts don't care if you take their old grease, just pull around back and pump it out of the grease pit.

9/21/2005 12:55:17 PM

I don't know why everyone keeps mentioning Civics... if you think Civics haven't occured to me, when fully a third of my co-workers have them, then you are wrong. I am trying to solve the problem in a theoretically superior manner, however... if I could secure a source of vegetable oil, then I would be basically 100% profit on tips.

[Edited on September 21, 2005 at 1:34 PM. Reason : *]

9/21/2005 1:14:13 PM

you still have to maintain your car, unless you're also running veggie oil in place of motor oil.. and if you can also use it for brakes, tires, etc.

9/21/2005 1:57:22 PM

you have to filter the oil extensively before using it

9/21/2005 4:42:14 PM

if a third of your co-workers have them... theres probably a reason why

think about that theoretically superior statement

9/21/2005 4:44:54 PM

You and your ride will smell like french fries wherever you go. I'm serious.

9/21/2005 4:46:35 PM

hey look, its that incognigger again

9/21/2005 4:57:18 PM

Quote :

"affordable/undervalued, reliable diesel convertibles? RWD and manual transmission"

To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a diesel convertible offered in the US. So, picking from your remaining requests...

RWD + reliable + diesel + manual = diesel Benz. 240D and 300D probably came in manuals, though they might be hard to find, and 300D's (80's/90's E-class diesel variant) will probably be more than you want to spend.

reliable + diesel + manual = diesel Golf.

reliable + manual + convertible = Miata.

9/21/2005 5:01:48 PM

hahahaha, why are you really looking for a new car? got pulled over for an out of date inspection and didnt want to spend $2,000 to get the caddy to pass? you need one of those mopeds with a pizza rack on it like i saw in germany. 70mpg and no waiting for traffic, just zip down the sidewalk. and by the way, bring me one of those new chicken bacon ranch pizzas if you are working tonight, the only reason i want to try it is because ashley thought it sounded disgusting.

9/21/2005 5:40:49 PM

10/1/2005 6:52:51 PM

Buy my Saturn.



[Edited on October 1, 2005 at 7:47 PM. Reason : http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=343189]

10/1/2005 7:46:26 PM

I saw this on Craigslist. Diesel benz.

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/102720876.html



[Edited on October 8, 2005 at 7:44 PM. Reason : Not a convertible, but it's got a sunroof. ]

10/8/2005 7:41:00 PM

Quote :

"1) can you really, as I read so long ago, convince restaurants to give you their old vegetable oil for free"

an architect I used to work for did this. most restaurants have no problem giving you their extra used veggie oil, because usually they have to pay to have it taken away.

10/8/2005 8:09:19 PM

I was also wondering how much it would cost to buy wholesale vegetable oil or from a food service supply company in large quantitites. Like could you buy like 50 gallons for $50? it would still be hella cheaper than gasoline or diesel.

10/8/2005 8:13:15 PM

I guess maybe you could convert the vegetable oil to bio-diesel and not have to worry about converting your car or having a constant supply of oil.

10/8/2005 8:43:33 PM

Couldn't you just mix the greasel into your diesel in the tank and let her fly? Obviously you can't run pure grease that way, but you wouldn't need all the heating up equipment and shit either, just do like a half/half mix. That'd be pretty fuckin' sweet.

10/8/2005 9:32:47 PM

you would be MUCH better off running biodiesel than SVO.

It aint that much harder to do, and you have a car that can run mixes during the winter (SVO aint gonna work when its cold without a lot of heaters and you are fucked if you run out of fuel)

10/8/2005 10:09:02 PM

Quote :

"I was also wondering how much it would cost to buy wholesale vegetable oil or from a food service supply company in large quantitites. Like could you buy like 50 gallons for $50? it would still be hella cheaper than gasoline or diesel."

And no dumbass. Refined cooking oils are significantly more expensive than gas/diesel. Why the hell do you think people get it all used?

10/8/2005 10:10:20 PM

So what would you need to turn it into biodiesel?

10/8/2005 10:15:25 PM

just gotta check that the engine is capable, and if so, not much else. to run 100% you usually need new ECU mappings to get the most efficiency.

If it's something he/yall are serious about, I can get the real down and dirty info from my biodiesel maniac buddies.

10/9/2005 2:53:00 AM

Quote :

"And no dumbass. Refined cooking oils are significantly more expensive than gas/diesel. Why the hell do you think people get it all used?"

jesus... I was just asking...don't be such a cunt in the future

10/9/2005 3:02:00 AM

Quote :

"So what would you need to turn it into biodiesel?"

The car or the oil?

Biodiesel shouldn't be any different than petroleum diesel as far as the car is concerned. The performance difference is negligible from what I've read. Biodiesel is a stronger solvent, so rubber gaskets and hoses may wear quicker. It also has a lubricating property. America's diesel is dirty with higher sulfur content. Taking out sulfur also removes the lubrication. Lower sulfur fuels should be on the way, so additives (probably biodiesel) is going to have to be, well, added. In the long run, it will probably affect how your car wears. I can't really say if it will be for better or worse, and I'm sure it will affect every car differently.

To make the biodiesel, you'll need to invest a couple grand into the equipment and then lye and methanol for processing.

10/9/2005 3:45:39 AM

So couldn't you just half a half the SVO with diesel fuel and let it run on that without converting the system over??

Just wondering if I could pick up like a TDI, get the cooking oil from the restaurant my wife works at, mix them up at like 50/50 and $profit.

10/9/2005 5:43:28 PM

anyone know where to get one of these said deisel jettas?

I found a couple circa '85 on autotrader for a grand.....like 2200 miles away though

10/9/2005 10:03:26 PM

look in the vwvortex.com classifieds. also check thesamba.com and ebay.

and to do the wvo/svo conversion, look at http://www.greasecar.com

10/9/2005 11:06:23 PM

if all goes as planned, i'll be picking up a diesel tomorrow. first mod: a kit from http://www.greasel.com

10/12/2005 12:03:51 AM

tell me how it goes, im actually interested in this as well

10/12/2005 12:36:28 AM

will do. just picked it up a few hours ago. 93 f250 with the 7.3 idi motor. ats turbo. i haven't decided which route i'm going to go yet. a large bed mounted setup is what i'd prefer, that way i could collect a large amount (50+ gallons) at a time. it'd be MUCH cheaper to just convert 1 of the 2 factory tanks though. still got some research to do before buying anything.

10/12/2005 11:42:21 PM

There is plenty more information about biodiesel at TDIClubhttp://forums.tdiclub.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB44
Also check out biodiesel.orghttp://www.biodiesel.org/

But, no, you can't just dump a mixture of SVO in your normal tank.

10/15/2005 3:55:26 PM

Quote :

"Restraunts don't care if you take their old grease, just pull around back and pump it out of the grease pit"

not true. from my research over the past few days, many restaurants have contracts with companys that take the oil and reuse/refine it for other things. in many cases, the containers used by the restaurant to house the used oil belong to those companys. if you take the oil without consent, you're stealing. supposedly there have actually been prosecuted cases of this scenario.

Quote :

"And no dumbass. Refined cooking oils are significantly more expensive than gas/diesel. Why the hell do you think people get it all used?"

from what i've read, fresh VO is about the same price as diesel now (~3.20 a gallon). still not worth the trouble to use, unless your sole concern for converting is the environment.

[Edited on October 16, 2005 at 5:47 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2005 5:46:32 PM

so you could just get a different job that pays more and you don't have to drive around and deliver pizzas...or maybe you're a complete fucking idiot in the real world just as you are on "The Wolf Web" and no one else would hire your stupid incognito shady nigger ass.

10/16/2005 7:09:44 PM