crime rate would go down."

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"Sept. 29, 2005 — After pondering on his radio program how aborting every black infant in America would affect crime rates, best-selling author and self-styled "Values Czar" Bill Bennett is vehemently denying he is a racist and defending his willingness to speak publicly about race and crime. On the Wednesday edition of his radio show, "Bill Bennett's Morning in America," syndicated by Salem Radio Network, a caller raised the theory that Social Security is in danger of becoming insolvent because legalized abortion has reduced the number of tax-paying citizens. Bennett said economic arguments should never be employed in discussions of moral issues. If it were your sole purpose to reduce crime, Bennett said, "You could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. "

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Politics/story?id=1171385&page=1

Good to see the republicans coming out of the closet wearing white sheets....their true colors.

9/29/2005 9:32:08 PM

well i mean it's true...

less people, less crime.

9/29/2005 9:33:05 PM

Not true. He's talking "crime rate", which is based on percentages not numbers.

9/29/2005 9:35:01 PM

That is actually the whole reason Planned Parenthood started, you know. To "exterminate the Negro population".

9/29/2005 9:36:49 PM

^
shhhhhh, don't mess with his carefully crafted dream world! You might irreparably harm his psyche...

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"pryderi: Good to see the republicans coming out of the closet wearing white sheets....their true colors."

and yet teh L3ft gets all aflutter over books like this...



[Edited on September 29, 2005 at 9:40 PM. Reason : ---]

9/29/2005 9:40:33 PM

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"That is actually the whole reason Planned Parenthood started, you know. To "exterminate the Negro population"."

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"There have been accusations that Prescott Bush was a eugenicist, dating back to a political attack leveled against him during his sons' 1980 campaign. Bush was an acquaintance of Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood and herself an avowed eugenicist. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_S._Bush

9/29/2005 9:45:50 PM

speaking of white sheets, I hear Robert "KKK" byrd is running for re-election

9/29/2005 9:55:30 PM

did teh l3ft not like freakonomics? 'cause i really did

9/29/2005 10:21:15 PM

just look at the prisons... i'm not a racist, but seriously, it's 90% black. that means blacks commit more crimes than whites. kill all of the blacks, the crime rate goes down.

9/29/2005 10:26:16 PM

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"shhhhhh, don't mess with his carefully crafted dream world! You might irreparably harm his psyche..."

My bad


Actually yeah Byrd is running again. And I would have thought he would be unbeatable - he always brings home the bacon BIG TIME for West Virginia - but Shelley Moore Capito is running very well against him, maybe even outpolling. I think that is why he is trying to move a little more toward the center, in terms of supporting Roberts, ending the judicial filibusters, encouraging religious freedom, etc. I'm just not sure it will be enough.

My prediction - Capito ousts Byrd.

9/29/2005 10:39:31 PM

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"means blacks commit more crimes than whites."

i hope you're trolling
i really hope you're trolling

9/29/2005 10:42:30 PM

while yes, simply saying "prisons have more blacks in them means that blacks comit more crimes than whites" is not specifically true, the ultimate point remains the same. If the percentage of black people committing crimes is higher than the percentage of white people committing crimes, then yes, killing all the black people will reduce the overall crime rate.

but, the liberal response to is typical Bennett's statement is typical: bash Bennett as a racist instead of actually looking at what his statement implies: that blacks commit more crimes per capita than whites. If its true, then his statement is not implicitly racist, and the cries of "OMFG RACIST!!!" are little more than ad hominem.

9/29/2005 10:50:17 PM

wouldn't the crime rate go up
since forced abortion is considered murder

9/29/2005 10:54:48 PM

that wouldnt solve anything, the root causes for the race specific stastistics need to be addressed, not by aborting the race. i have yet to read a study that says race, without other factors contributes to crime. and if were gonna look at crime, what if we took into account a white-dominated crime, would that justify wiping out white people?

9/29/2005 11:36:03 PM

nigga stole my thread

9/29/2005 11:53:50 PM

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"f the percentage of black people committing crimes is higher than the percentage of white people committing crimes, then yes, killing all the black people will reduce the overall crime rate."

Holy crap, just when you think an idiot cannot get any dumber. They don't have ANY crime in Iceland, do they you fucking moron? How about a novel idea that if you were to artificially remove any group of people from the society in its present state, the social structure would change? Too complicated of an idea for a stupid redneck?

9/29/2005 11:57:07 PM

at least you posted this before jon stewart used it.

9/30/2005 12:02:42 AM

Yeah there's no crime in Russia, those white folks know better than to break the law.

9/30/2005 12:26:39 AM

Wow Math, that was too harsh. Yes, it might change, but is it safe to assume that it would change so much that supressing an entire generation of black people wouldn't cause it to go down? Maybe, but it's not unreasonable to assume that the crime rate would go down.

Of course, we don't actually what the crime rate will be among blacks being born tomorrow and the next. I wonder if cohort effect studies have even been done regarding race and crime? I'm rather certain all black generations are not equally prone to crime (and the same goes for generations of any race, obviously).

9/30/2005 12:34:10 AM

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"that wouldnt solve anything, the root causes for the race specific stastistics need to be addressed, not by aborting the race."

very true, but its still irrelevant. if blacks commit more crimes per black-capita than whites do per white-capita, then removing blacks will lower the overall crime rate per capita.

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"i have yet to read a study that says race, without other factors contributes to crime."

thats great. no one in here said that it did.

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"and if were gonna look at crime, what if we took into account a white-dominated crime, would that justify wiping out white people?"

well, why does that matter within the context of this quote? sure, if I took into account only dog-dominated crimes, then killing cats wouldn't change the crime rate, would it? Unfortunately, we have NO evidence or contextual clues to suggest that the crime rates presented or pondered by Bennett are biased towards any race in particular. I mean, you can jump to the conclusion that his stats are biased because you think he's a racist, but that logic is not valid, either. so... your point is moot.

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"Holy crap, just when you think an idiot cannot get any dumber. They don't have ANY crime in Iceland, do they you fucking moron?"

why does that matter? Bennett wasn't talking about Iceland, and neither am I.

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"How about a novel idea that if you were to artificially remove any group of people from the society in its present state, the social structure would change?"

Thats great. its too bad that my argument was presented from a mathematical point of view and NOT a social point of view. You should be able to comprehend that. Yes, of course over time the demographics of crime would shift if you removed any major element of society. Its just too bad that I was looking at this from a 3-5 year perspective, as opposed to a 50-100 year one...

9/30/2005 1:21:48 AM

when's the next rally? I missed the one where punch was served. I heard it was lovely.

9/30/2005 1:24:22 AM

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"They don't have ANY crime in Iceland, do they you fucking moron?"

I don't think blacks, by virtue of being black, are more prone to crime than any other group. But Iceland doesn't exactly have a black population, or even much of a non-nordic population, so it was not even close to being an example you wanted to use in this thread.

9/30/2005 3:46:19 AM

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"very true, but its still irrelevant. if blacks commit more crimes per black-capita than whites do per white-capita, then removing blacks will lower the overall crime rate per capita."

it's true. what's horrible isn't that what this guy said isn't true, because it is. what's horrible is that it sounds like he's encouraging the abortion of all black babies.

9/30/2005 8:48:47 AM

Absolute homogenity makes for the least crime-ridden societies. I like the fact that America is not that way.

9/30/2005 9:11:26 AM

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"it's true. what's horrible isn't that what this guy said isn't true, because it is. what's horrible is that it sounds like he's encouraging the abortion of all black babies."

i agree. something might need to be done about the crime rate amongst blacks but killing black babies is not the answer.

9/30/2005 9:21:34 AM

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"I don't think blacks, by virtue of being black, are more prone to crime than any other group. But Iceland doesn't exactly have a black population, or even much of a non-nordic population, so it was not even close to being an example you wanted to use in this thread"

i think his point was that despite the lack of black people THEY DO HAVE CRIME

your slight racism perhaps has blocked out his extreme sarcasm

9/30/2005 9:25:01 AM

p.s.
shift the war on drugs to the war on harmful drugs
and you'll see the crime rate go down

9/30/2005 9:25:42 AM

i also agree with that. legalize marijuana and whatnot, at least, and work harder on crack and heroine. Even moreso, legalize everything

better still, fucking feed these people

[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 9:31 AM. Reason : .]

9/30/2005 9:31:24 AM

^ What do you mean by feed them? Feed them drugs or food?

That said, yes, legalize the soft shit and concentrate on the truely nasty stuff. Of course, we may have gone overboard a little on the crack-down. Lighter sentences might be order. For example, if you are arrested for coke use, then your sentence should be just long enough for it to get out of your system. I think this could be a matter of months instead of years.

As for dealers, be reasonable. Five years for a major dealer/distributor sounds like sufficient punishment.

9/30/2005 10:28:27 AM

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"Thats great. its too bad that my argument was presented from a mathematical point of view and NOT a social point of view. "

Too bad you don't know shit about math.

9/30/2005 10:56:53 AM

ohhhhhh....said the math teacher

9/30/2005 11:09:58 AM

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" Scotland worst for violence - UN Scotland has been named the most violent country in the developed world by a United Nations report. The study found that, excluding murder, Scots were almost three times as likely to be assaulted as Americans. Victims of crime in 21 countries were interviewed by the UN, but senior Scots police officers criticised the study. The survey concluded that 2,000 Scots were attacked every week. That figure is 10 times the number recorded in official police figures."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4257966.stm

9/30/2005 12:52:37 PM

just cause they suck at finishing the deal doesnt mean anything

9/30/2005 12:57:25 PM

Aborting every white baby will also lower the crime rate.

9/30/2005 12:58:31 PM

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"just look at the prisons... i'm not a racist, but seriously, it's 90% black"

there are so many outside factors contributing to that number that it shouldn't even be brought up in logical discussion

btw, loves the "im not a racist" tag, fucking idiot

9/30/2005 1:01:49 PM

WHY IS THIS NEWS

BLACK PEOPLE COMMIT MORE CRIMES THEN WHITE PEOPLE

well at least they caught more...but still.

the statement is correct

9/30/2005 1:02:54 PM

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"Aborting every white baby will also lower the crime rate."

no fucking shit you dumb mother fucker

are you happy now?

9/30/2005 1:09:39 PM

The color of your skin has nothing to do with your likelihood to be a criminal. The problem with the statement "abort every black baby in this country..." is that it implies that there is a relationship between your skin color and your likelihood to be a criminal. That doesn't make it untrue, it just makes it a racist statement.

The reasons behind why it might be a true statement are even more troublesome. It would be more accurate to say "abort every poor person and the crime rate will go down." You don't exactly see prisons full of rich black people do you? There is a disproportionate amount of black people in poverty, which leads to disproportionate amounts of black people in jail or prison. To me that's the most upsetting thing. It's not news to me that some old white guy is a racist.

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"what's horrible is that it sounds like he's encouraging the abortion of all black babies."

actually, he explicitly said that he wasn't. from the transcript: "That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down."

and he was responding to a caller saying that abortion was bad because of all the lost revenue from the aborted fetuses, which is a stupid argument. And so he was saying that the caller was assuming that these fetuses would eventually become productive citizens, but actually, a lot of them are black and won't.

9/30/2005 1:37:02 PM

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"Its just too bad that I was looking at this from a 3-5 year perspective"

Durr... I don't think that blacks between the ages of three and five are committing very much crime. If we started aboriting black kids today the crime rate wouldn't drop in 3-5 years, unless it was because people without kids to take care of commit less crime.

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"what's horrible is that it sounds like he's encouraging the abortion of all black babies."

He obviously wasn't encouraging it.

And aborting all males would be a better idea for lowering the crime rate. He was clearly trying to point out the fact that blacks commit more crime.

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"The study found that, excluding murder, Scots were almost three times as likely to be assaulted as Americans."

Hmm...

9/30/2005 2:09:39 PM

Negro babies commit three times as many pinchings as cracker babies, but cracker babies are four times as likely to be tattle tales.

9/30/2005 2:13:16 PM

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"i think his point was that despite the lack of black people THEY DO HAVE CRIME"

Maybe, but that's a case where the sarcasm could've just as well been sincerity. Iceland is one of those happy little Nordic countries that people love to point to as near-utopian societies. They really don't have much crime to speak of in Iceland. And if MathFreak was saying what you think he's saying, his idiocy takes a new route: the asshole on the radio only said that the crime rate would go down, so trying to use homogenuous white countries as examples of places that have any crime at all accomplishes nothing. They have crime, they just have less. I think it's pretty fucking safe to say that the US crime rate is miles above Iceland's.

Whichever way he meant it, it was a fairly stupid point that he was making, although looking back I had my share of stupid in assuming he was sincere.

Of course, neither of us is as stupid as the asshole on the radio.

9/30/2005 2:54:38 PM

I'm a Dem and even I know he was taken way out of context. Though he was stupid for repeating or even addressing such stupidity.

It is technically true b/c the crime rate is higher amongst blacks. Of course, the same would be true amonst the poor. I think he was trying to say intellectually that while a true statement, it was not valid evidence that would support genocide.

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"it's true. what's horrible isn't that what this guy said isn't true, because it is. what's horrible is that it sounds like he's encouraging the abortion of all black babies."

Exactly, but he's being misquoted.

[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 3:34 PM. Reason : ?]

9/30/2005 3:25:44 PM

hoooo boy.

You should've seen his brother on Wolf Blitzer just now.

9/30/2005 3:28:45 PM

pryderi, it would be more honest, and I think people would respect you more if you would actually show the entire quote when you try to demonize conservatives. At least then people could read what they said and draw their own conclusions. I don't agree with what he said, but in context it takes alot of the sting out of the statemnt. For anyone interested in seeing the full transcipt of the call in question. Here it is :

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509280006

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" CALLER: I noticed the national media, you know, they talk a lot about the loss of revenue, or the inability of the government to fund Social Security, and I was curious, and I've read articles in recent months here, that the abortions that have happened since Roe v. Wade, the lost revenue from the people who have been aborted in the last 30-something years, could fund Social Security as we know it today. And the media just doesn't -- never touches this at all. BENNETT: Assuming they're all productive citizens? CALLER: Assuming that they are. Even if only a portion of them were, it would be an enormous amount of revenue. BENNETT: Maybe, maybe, but we don't know what the costs would be, too. I think as -- abortion disproportionately occur among single women? No. CALLER: I don't know the exact statistics, but quite a bit are, yeah. BENNETT: All right, well, I mean, I just don't know. I would not argue for the pro-life position based on this, because you don't know. I mean, it cuts both -- you know, one of the arguments in this book Freakonomics that they make is that the declining crime rate, you know, they deal with this hypothesis, that one of the reasons crime is down is that abortion is up. Well -- CALLER: Well, I don't think that statistic is accurate. BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky."

9/30/2005 4:02:19 PM

context context context


once again pryderi and all other completely partisan liberals have taken a quote way out of context in order to appeal to emotions....you look like complete idiots

way to go guys

9/30/2005 4:23:26 PM

I'M GLAD SOMEBODY RESPONSIBLE POSTED THAT FOR ALL YOU IDIOTS ON THE LEFT EVEN CNN IS REPORTING THE PARTIAL QUOTE FOLLOWED BY A SLEW OF STUPID REMARKS BY PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T EVEN HEAR THE SHOW

9/30/2005 4:24:41 PM

Teh L3ft gets outraged at Bennett saying aborting blacks reduces crimes...while teh L3ft holds rallies in DC to promote aborting blacks. I love my country

9/30/2005 4:29:01 PM

all he actually said was...and i quote: "abortion is a moral issue, not fiscal or otherwise"

9/30/2005 4:30:16 PM

i don't see why context changes the meaning of this statement

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"But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. "

i mean, you can post every conversation bennet had that show
and it doesn't change that statement

i mean
HE REITERATES THE POINT

9/30/2005 4:31:58 PM

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"just look at the prisons... i'm not a racist, but seriously, it's 90% black. that means blacks commit more crimes than whites. kill all of the blacks, the crime rate goes down. "

http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#1

The majority, and most of the people in prison are white. Blacks are over represented, but it would be more effective to kill all white babies, if you want to reduce prison population.

9/30/2005 4:33:30 PM