haha, I remember there were some people on here saying that a before the season started. Fucking morons.

10/31/2005 4:51:01 PM

nobody would be able to do well with an offence as decimated as green bays

10/31/2005 5:00:24 PM

Seems to me the almighty Favre should be able to. Since he is so badass and all

10/31/2005 5:00:52 PM

sry, touchdown jesus could get it done, farve is no jesus

[Edited on October 31, 2005 at 5:02 PM. Reason : d]

10/31/2005 5:02:07 PM

i'll take 1995 favre over 2005 vick anyday

10/31/2005 5:04:33 PM

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A LNG TD TD% INT INT% SACK YDS RAT

Michael Vick 66 126 723 52.4 5.74 58 5 4.0 6 4.8 12 74 63.0
Brett Favre 175 262 1861 66.8 7.10 51 15 5.7 13 5.0 9 58 85.7


Looks like Vick is havin another MVP caliber season

Favre owns him in each PASSING category except INT's. Just because GB sucks ass as a team doesn't mean Favre is no good. Given two equal teams Favre's team would own Vick's.

10/31/2005 5:08:13 PM

Actually Favre is just not good anymore and hasnt been very good for several seasons now.


Vick is a stud and that is reflected by his amazing record as a starting QB.


Vick is better than Favre hands down.

It's not even close

10/31/2005 5:09:50 PM

^^God, we are not going to have this stats argument again. As pretty much every sports analyst, players, etc... have said, when it comes to Vick, you can throw the stats out the window. He makes the big plays when they matter and wins games.

10/31/2005 5:16:10 PM

its hard to make big plays when you're playing with a jv girls soccer team

10/31/2005 5:18:02 PM

i'd rather not throw stats out the window. i agree his team wins games, but you always miss the key word in that sentence. TEAM. They have a good D and great role players. Their offensive line gets it done. Warrick Dunn is having one of the best seasons of his career. Alge Crumpler is a great TE. Vick does not singlehandedly win football games.

10/31/2005 5:20:44 PM

Its funny then that his TEAM, cant win games unless he plays.


PS, yes he does. Not all of them obviously, but alot of games his plays are the difference in a win and a loss.

[Edited on October 31, 2005 at 5:22 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2005 5:21:24 PM

if you think a single player wins or loses a football game by himself then you don't know shit about football

10/31/2005 5:24:15 PM

If you think that doesnt happen in some games, then you don't know shit about football.

10/31/2005 5:26:31 PM

give me an example

10/31/2005 5:27:45 PM

A team is down by 2 points, 3 seconds left. If he makes the field goal, they win, if he misses, they lose.

10/31/2005 5:28:55 PM

oh god

if he misses it could have been the holder's fault, the snapper's fault or someone could have missed block

and how did they get down 2 points to begin with

was the kicker the only player on the field for the whole game

did he let the other team score

its impossible for a single player to win or lose a game by themself

10/31/2005 5:32:21 PM

This hardly has anything to do with this thread, but have the Packers lost a game this year by more than 7 points?

10/31/2005 5:34:43 PM

Again, if he makes it they win, if he misses, they lose. Just like you lost this argument.


My work here is done.

10/31/2005 5:34:56 PM

Quote :

" in some games"

oh, so now you qualify your statements with "some games"?

yeah, of course vick has won a few games because of his scrambling ability. i don't think anyone is arguing that. however, you are attributing every single one of the falcons wins with vick at QB to him. you're giving him credit for single-handedly getting those wins, and that is far from the truth. brett favre is down to his 3rd string running back in the backfield, his O-line is shit, the defense sucks, he has lost 2 of his top 3 WR's, etc. that whole team is falling apart. do you really think if mike vick played for the packers and favre played for the falcons that the packers would be doing better than the falcons right now? assuming everything else goes exactly as it has gone, just swap the two players. you HONESTLY believe that vick would have the packers with a winning record and the falcons would be horrible with favre?

10/31/2005 5:35:03 PM

hey macgyver

maybe you should pick up chuck's dvd

10/31/2005 5:36:01 PM

Favre yayyyyyyy, even our third string recievers are injured, its a wonderful year.



Vick is a good football player, but the kid cant throw an accurate pass to save his soul.

10/31/2005 5:37:19 PM

according to macgyver's logic, the player that scores last is credited with the win, not the team

10/31/2005 5:38:30 PM

Ernie man

even our third string recievers are injured

what are we to do


hold me

[Edited on October 31, 2005 at 5:40 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2005 5:39:57 PM

dude we're in the north

even at 1-6 its not over yet

the vikes are done

and the bears a lions are just as bad as we are

we have a shot

10/31/2005 5:41:24 PM

i wouldnt have picked farve for the past 4 seasons

10/31/2005 5:42:21 PM

you're welcome to come over and watch the games

if they are actually on tv

which they probably arnt

i built this as of late, to help celebrate the terrible season

10/31/2005 5:42:30 PM

everyone has picked favre this season

10/31/2005 5:42:53 PM

5 INTs and lose by 7 with the ball on the 30 with 30 seconds. Im wondering still how the game was so close.

10/31/2005 5:44:07 PM

Quote :

"however, you are attributing every single one of the falcons wins with vick at QB to him. you're giving him credit for single-handedly getting those wins, and that is far from the truth."

So why when he doesn't play, they lose 90% of the time, but when he plays, they win 90% of the time?

And by the way, I am not totally retarded, and I know that every time the Falcons win, it isn't because of Vick, but he wins more games for them than he loses.

[Edited on October 31, 2005 at 5:46 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2005 5:45:21 PM

schaub aint bad really

10/31/2005 5:47:04 PM

he HELPS them win or lose

just like every other player on the field

you can't win a football game with one player

10/31/2005 5:48:02 PM

but you can with one coach

10/31/2005 5:59:00 PM

I love how everyone says Schaub is so great.


THEN WHY DO THE FALCONS LOSE WITH HIM PLAYING????????????/


AND HIS CAREEER STATISTICS ARENT GOOD EITHER


Jesus christ how come its okay for him to have bad stats and lose, but Vick cant have bad stats and win???

this is just crazy talk and i wont allow it

10/31/2005 6:01:47 PM

According to Ernie, even a coach cant win or lose a game by himself, because the players on the field are going to make their own decisions and vary from what the coach had planned.

10/31/2005 6:02:12 PM

Quote :

"According to Ernie, even a coach cant win or lose a game by himself, because the players on the field are going to make their own decisions and vary from what the coach had planned."

Are you trying to say that a coach can win a game by himself? because if you are your even more of an idiot than I thought.

10/31/2005 6:11:43 PM

^No, Dave did.

10/31/2005 6:12:51 PM

^^^^ Because Schaub adds a dimension to their team that Vick doesn't.

Schaub has 3 passing touchdowns in one game.

Vick has 5 all year.

Schaub lost on a last second field goal against the Patriots.

Vick has put up wins against powerhouses like the Eagles (who aren't nearly the team they were last year), Buffalo, Minnesota, New Orleans, and the Jets. Respectively ranked 21, 31, 29, 28, 30 against the rush. You know, the only thing Vick and the Falcons are good at.

We'll see just how well their rushing attack under Vick works when they play 4 of their last games against the #1 and #2 rushing defenses.

I've always admired how the Falcons can run, seemingly on anyone, but the dimension Schaub actually brings to the team instead of Vick can't be overlooked.

[Edited on October 31, 2005 at 6:14 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2005 6:14:26 PM

Quote :

"^^^^ Because Schaub adds a dimension to their team that Vick doesn't."

And Vick adds a dimension to the Falcons that Schaub doesn't. So whats your point? You are a fucking moron if you think anyone would take Schaub over Vick.


And damn, you people act like every fucking pass that he throws is incomplete. Have you actually ever watched an entire season of Falcons footballs? He makes some pretty big passes during games. They might not be for TDs, but he can get the job done. And yes, he throws a lot of incomplete ones, but like I said, he makes a lot of big ones too.

[Edited on October 31, 2005 at 6:18 PM. Reason : ..]

10/31/2005 6:16:34 PM

Its great how this was an insult to favre fans, and the only one pissed off and bitching is macgyver hahahahahahah

10/31/2005 6:17:28 PM

Its great how this wasn't an insult to Favre fans, but the morons on here that said Favre was better than Vick. hahahahahahaha

10/31/2005 6:20:01 PM

Dont get angry now!

10/31/2005 6:22:22 PM

Quote :

"And Vick adds a dimension to the Falcons that Schaub doesn't. So whats your point? You are a fucking moron if you think anyone would take Schaub over Vick."

What I'm saying is, if I were the Falcons and I was playing a team that in the first half kept Dunn, Duckett, and Vick to about 10 rushing yards combined, I'd definitely be tempted to see what Schaub could do.

[Edited on October 31, 2005 at 6:28 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2005 6:27:57 PM

Thats why you aren't a decision maker in the NFL and never will be.

10/31/2005 6:34:11 PM

Im too drunk to argue this shit right now but come on

The Patriots secondary sucks nutsac right now.

THe Phillies held The San Diegos to like 10 yard srushing. Tomlinson had like 8 yards.

Vick ran his sac all over the field and beat them senseless.


Vick is nasty get off his knutesac already

10/31/2005 6:38:02 PM

he is a jew so he could be a commisioner

10/31/2005 6:49:13 PM

Quote :

"THe Phillies held The San Diegos"

yeah, go back to drinking




I respect ur opinion, but... yeah, say hi to the beer bottle for me

10/31/2005 6:57:07 PM

^

They did though

10/31/2005 6:58:50 PM

Quote :

"THe Phillies held The San Diegos to like 10 yard srushing. Tomlinson had like 8 yards."

And the Broncos had 255 against them.

10/31/2005 7:08:34 PM

Quote :

"Actually Favre is just not good anymore and hasnt been very good for several seasons now."

this just isnt very accurate...sure hes not the brett favre of yesteryear but he can still compete in this league....the problem is that the packers have absolutely nothing around him

they cant run the football, they have no recievers(even with javon walker, it still a less than average group), they dont play defense, the offensive line sucks

they are just a bad football team and its making favre look bad. sure had 5 pics on sunday, but if people would run their routes it would have been only 1, maybe 2

its an unfortunate end to a legacy, but green bay just doesnt have it together anymore

10/31/2005 7:10:13 PM

Chatman and Driver are better than any WR's Atlanta has right now.

Thats all im saying.


Fisher and ahman green arent very good, davenport was pretty good...

10/31/2005 7:13:08 PM