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"By GILLIAN FLACCUS Associated Press Writer advertisement [Munched] A federal judge on Monday denied bail for two Chinese nationals accused of conspiring to steal sensitive documents on U.S. Navy warship technology and smuggle them to China. Tai Wang Mak, a broadcast and engineering director for the Phoenix North American Chinese Channel, and his wife, Fuk Heung Li, were arrested Oct. 28 in Los Angeles as they prepared to board a flight to China. In Li's luggage, authorities found a disk that contained information on U.S. technology designed to suppress the noise of submarine propulsion systems, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Deirdre Eliot. The disk had been encrypted with a Chinese code. Mak's attorney, John Early, argued that prosecutors hadn't proved the information was classified and stressed that his client had not been charged with espionage. U.S. Magistrate Judge Marc Goldman scheduled a hearing for Nov. 15, after a grand jury hears evidence in the case. Also charged in the case are Mak's brother, Chi Mak, a naturalized U.S. citizen from China, and his wife, Rebecca Laiwah Chiu, an American of Chinese descent. The four face charges of stealing government property, aiding and abetting, transportation of stolen goods and conspiracy. Chi Mak allegedly took computer disks from Anaheim defense contractor Power Paragon, where he was lead engineer on a sensitive research project involving Navy warships. Authorities said his wife helped copy the information. As of Monday, she had not posted the $300,000 bail set last week. Chi Mak was ordered held without bail. Eliot said authorities recovered restricted documents on the DDX Destroyer, considered the destroyer of the future, that were marked "for official use only." They also found two lists in Chinese asking Chi Mak to get documents about submarine torpedo technology, electromagnetic artillery systems, weapon standardization, early warning technology to detect incoming missiles and defenses against nuclear attack, Eliot said. She said the information was to be fed to China's science and technology committee, "basically equivalent to the government itself." Authorities believe Chi Mak has been feeding information to the committee since 1983, including highly sensitive information about Aegis warships, Eliot said. "

11/8/2005 12:48:36 AM

fucken... prove they did it, then shoot their asses for treason. but it better be proven, not blown up hype....

11/8/2005 12:55:30 AM

China didn't steal anything....they paid for it.

11/8/2005 12:59:37 AM

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"China USA didn't steal anything....they paid for it."

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11/8/2005 1:13:23 AM

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"Four arrests linked to Chinese spy ring By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES November 5, 2005 Four persons arrested in Los Angeles are part of a Chinese intelligence-gathering ring, federal investigators said, and the suspects caused serious compromises for 15 years to major U.S. weapons systems, including submarines and warships. U.S. intelligence and security officials said the case remains under investigation but that it could prove to be among the most damaging spy cases since the 1985 one of John A. Walker Jr., who passed Navy communication codes to Moscow for 22 years. The Los Angeles spy ring has operated since 1990 and has funneled technology and military secrets to China in the form of documents and computer disks, officials close to the case said. The ring was led by Chi Mak and his wife, Rebecca Laiwah Chiu, along with Mr. Chi's brother, Tai Wang Mak, and his wife, Fuk Heung Li, officials said. Key compromises uncovered so far include sensitive data on Aegis battle management systems that are the core of U.S. Navy destroyers and cruisers. China covertly obtained the Aegis technology and earlier this year deployed its first Aegis warship, code-named Magic Shield, intelligence officials have said. The Chinese also obtained sensitive data on U.S. submarines, including classified details related to the new Virginia-class attack submarines. Officials said based on a preliminary assessment, China now will be able to track U.S. submarines, a compromise that potentially could be devastating if the United States enters a conflict with China in defending Taiwan. Mr. Chi, an electrical engineer, also had access to details on U.S. aircraft carriers and once was aboard the USS Stennis. A Pentagon report made public earlier this year said China's military is building up capabilities to attack U.S. aircraft carriers. China also is thought to have obtained information from the spy ring that will assist Chinese military development of electromagnetic pulse weapons -- weapons that simulate the electronic shock caused by a nuclear blast -- that disrupt electronics. It also is thought to have obtained unmanned aerial vehicle technology from the spy ring. All four persons were arrested yesterday and charged with theft of government property. Law-enforcement officials said that the charges are expected to be upgraded to espionage or espionage-related once the nature of the information involved is fully investigated. Investigators seized hundreds of thousands of pages of documents and computer data from Mr. Chi's home in Downey, Calif., after the arrest. Mr. Chi and his wife were born in China and are naturalized American citizens. Mr. Tai and his wife are resident aliens who came to the United States from China in May 2001. The arrests were made after electronic surveillance revealed Mr. Tai and his wife planned to travel to Guangzhou, China, to pass to Chinese officials several CDs that contained Navy weapons data, specifically information on Quiet Electric Drive (QED) systems used in Navy warships, officials said. An FBI affidavit in the case described the QED technology as "extremely sensitive" and banned from export. The affidavit stated that surveillance showed that Mr. Tai and his wife were "very nervous" and had discussed the risks of carrying the disks to China. "They were funneling information to 2 PLA," one official said, referring to the military intelligence unit of the People's Liberation Army. "The Chinese now know more about our military than we know about their entire country." Lawyers for the four arrested yesterday could not be reached for comment. Investigators think Mr. Tai worked as either a courier or a spy handler with China's Ministry of State Security or the 2 PLA. Intelligence officials said Mr. Chi held a secret-level security clearance and worked on more than 200 U.S. defense and military contracts as an electrical engineer with the defense contractor Power Paragon, a subsidiary of L3/SPD Technologies/Power Systems Group in Anaheim, Calif. FBI Agent James E. Gaylord stated in an affidavit made public Monday that Mr. Chi had access to Navy technical records, schematics and other documents that, while unclassified, were "restricted" and barred from foreign distribution. "Chi uses his workstation at Power Paragon to collect the information he has been tasked to provide to the PRC," Mr. Gaylord stated. Mr. Chi obtained the information from his office and took it home, where it was copied on CDs and passed to Mr. Tai, who encrypted the data using a coding software program, the affidavit said. Mr. Tai had planned to take the encrypted disks to China on Oct. 28 to give them to an unidentified recipient. "

11/8/2005 6:51:28 AM

Gas them chinks

11/8/2005 1:38:53 PM

well they dont have clinton to give it to them anymore

ZING

11/8/2005 1:56:55 PM

So the Chinese are attempting to steal American military secrets, and this is a suprise because...

Hell, just about every nation with a weapons-manufacturing capacity is also doing it, even our so-called allies. The French, the Germans, the South Koreans, the Indians, etc.: they're all working it from one angle or another. The only reason why the British and Japanese aren't doing it is because they're heavily involved in the American military research and development system.

11/8/2005 2:11:06 PM

WHY THE FUCK ARE WE ALLOWING CHINESE NATIONALS TO WORK FOR DEFENSE CONTRACTORS?

11/8/2005 2:20:31 PM

^b/c we cant produce our own qualified professionals here. we have the capabilities, but not the interest.

why do you think so many asians get RAs and TAs at NC State? They'd take more people from the States if they were qualified, but they arent, so they take the best avaliable, which happens to be a foreigner.

No need to get mad at China, we really did this to ourselves.

11/8/2005 3:57:21 PM

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"Also charged in the case are Mak's brother, Chi Mak, a naturalized U.S. citizen from China, and his wife, Rebecca Laiwah Chiu, an American of Chinese descent."

The people who did the actual stealing were US citizens. The two Chinese nationals, Tai Wang Mak and Fuk Heung Li, were the ones who carried the information back to China.

11/8/2005 5:23:49 PM

everyone steals shit from everyone else. but about the aegis equipped warships, haven't we given/sold several to other states?

11/8/2005 5:44:28 PM

well sounds like they have a case to put them to death

11/8/2005 5:48:18 PM

Was I the only one that sounded this out?

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"... his wife, Fuk Heung Li"

11/8/2005 10:54:19 PM

Of course everyone steals from everyone( if they have something worth stealing). Or just spying in general, of course everyone is spying on everyone. That doesn't mean when someone steals your secrets you just shrug your shoulders and say, "oh well everyone does it let's forgive them."

Yes, we do share technologies with some countries, but they must have export controls for this. One of the reasons we don't want the EU to begin weapon sales to China, then we have to watch what we give to France, etc. It's well known China has helped A.Q. Kahn and Pakistan develop nuclear weapons.

11/9/2005 12:17:03 AM

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"but about the aegis equipped warships, haven't we given/sold several to other states?"

Definitely the Japanese, maybe the South Koreans as well. Not absolutely sure about the second one, but I've heard rumors.

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"That doesn't mean when someone steals your secrets you just shrug your shoulders and say, "oh well everyone does it let's forgive them.""

I don't say we shouldn't punish them; toss them in prison for 25 years, in particular the two US citizens that sold this country out. Let them rot, cut off from society... until we trade them with China for captured American spies.

11/9/2005 10:03:12 AM

AEGIS (and it must be in all caps) is on the following class of ships

United States Ticonderoga-class cruisers
United States Arleigh Burke-class destroyers
Japanese Kongo-class destroyers
Spanish F-100 frigates

Although I doubt the Japanese and the Spanish have the full capability we do

11/9/2005 10:43:18 AM