on it's head

Wow, I am really excited about this, and hope it is true. The basis of the whole theory is in bold below.

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""But if it's right, it is so important that all else falls away. It has the potential to solve our dependence on oil. Our stance is of cautious optimism.""

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0%2C3605%2C1627424%2C00.html

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"· Scientist says device disproves quantum theory · Opponents claim idea is result of wrong maths Alok Jha, science correspondent Friday November 4, 2005 The Guardian It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power that costs virtually nothing, uses tiny amounts of water as its fuel and produces next to no waste. If that does not sound radical enough, how about this: the principle behind the source turns modern physics on its head. Randell Mills, a Harvard University medic who also studied electrical engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, claims to have built a prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat than conventional fuel. Independent scientists claim to have verified the experiments and Dr Mills says that his company, Blacklight Power, has tens of millions of dollars in investment lined up to bring the idea to market. And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation. The problem is that according to the rules of quantum mechanics, the physics that governs the behaviour of atoms, the idea is theoretically impossible. "Physicists are quite conservative. It's not easy to convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. I don't think [Mills's] theory should be supported," said Jan Naudts, a theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp. What has much of the physics world up in arms is Dr Mills's claim that he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron. In his "hydrino", the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge amounts of energy. This is scientific heresy. According to quantum mechanics, electrons can only exist in an atom in strictly defined orbits, and the shortest distance allowed between the proton and electron in hydrogen is fixed. The two particles are simply not allowed to get any closer. According to Dr Mills, there can be only one explanation: quantum mechanics must be wrong. "We've done a lot of testing. We've got 50 independent validation reports, we've got 65 peer-reviewed journal articles," he said. "We ran into this theoretical resistance and there are some vested interests here. People are very strong and fervent protectors of this [quantum] theory that they use." Rick Maas, a chemist at the University of North Carolina at Asheville (UNC) who specialises in sustainable energy sources, was allowed unfettered access to Blacklight's laboratories this year. "We went in with a healthy amount of scepticism. While it would certainly be nice if this were true, in my position as head of a research institution, I really wouldn't want to make a mistake. The last thing I want is to be remembered as the person who derailed a lot of sustainable energy investment into something that wasn't real." But Prof Maas and Randy Booker, a UNC physicist, left under no doubt about Dr Mill's claims. "All of us who are not quantum physicists are looking at Dr Mills's data and we find it very compelling," said Prof Maas. "Dr Booker and I have both put our professional reputations on the line as far as that goes." Dr Mills's idea goes against almost a century of thinking. When scientists developed the theory of quantum mechanics they described a world where measuring the exact position or energy of a particle was impossible and where the laws of classical physics had no effect. The theory has been hailed as one of the 20th century's greatest achievements. But it is an achievement Dr Mills thinks is flawed. He turned back to earlier classical physics to develop a theory which, unlike quantum mechanics, allows an electron to move much closer to the proton at the heart of a hydrogen atom and, in doing so, release the substantial amounts of energy he seeks to exploit. Dr Mills's theory, known as classical quantum mechanics and published in the journal Physics Essays in 2003, has been criticised most publicly by Andreas Rathke of the European Space Agency. In a damning critique published recently in the New Journal of Physics, he argued that Dr Mills's theory was the result of mathematical mistakes. Dr Mills argues that there are plenty of flaws in Dr Rathke's critique. "His paper's riddled with mistakes. We've had other physicists contact him and say this is embarrassing to the journal and [Dr Rathke] won't respond," said Dr Mills. While the theoretical tangle is unlikely to resolve itself soon, those wanting to exploit the technology are pushing ahead. "We would like to understand it from an academic standpoint and then we would like to be able to use the implications to actually produce energy products," said Prof Maas. "The companies that are lining up behind this are household names." Dr Mills will not go into details of who is investing in his research but rumours suggest a range of US power companies. It is well known also that Nasa's institute of advanced concepts has funded research into finding a way of using Blacklight's technology to power rockets. According to Prof Maas, the first product built with Blacklight's technology, which will be available in as little as four years, will be a household heater. As the technology is scaled up, he says, bigger furnaces will be able to boil water and turn turbines to produce electricity. In a recent economic forecast, Prof Maas calculated that hydrino energy would cost around 1.2 cents (0.7p) per kilowatt hour. This compares to an average of 5 cents per kWh for coal and 6 cents for nuclear energy. "If it's wrong, it will be proven wrong," said Kert Davies, research director of Greenpeace USA. "But if it's right, it is so important that all else falls away. It has the potential to solve our dependence on oil. Our stance is of cautious optimism." Alternative energy Cold fusion More than 16 years after chemists' claims to have created a star in a jar imploded in acrimony, the US government has said it might fund more research. Mainstream physicists still balk at reports that a beaker of cold water and metal electrodes can produce excess heat, but a hardy band of scientists across the world refuse to let the dream die. Methane hydrates The US and Japan are leading attempts to tap this source of fossil fuel buried beneath the seabed and Arctic permafrost. A mixture of ice and natural gas, hydrates are believed to contain more carbon than existing reserves of oil, coal and gas put together. Solar chimneys Sunlight heats trapped air, which rises through a giant chimney and drives turbines. Leonardo da Vinci designed such a power tower and the Australian company Enviromission plans to build one. Despite being scaled down recently, the concrete chimney will still stand some 700 metres over the outback. Nuclear fusion Turns nuclear power on its head by combining atoms rather than splitting them to release energy - copying the reaction at the heart of the sun. After years of arguments the world has agreed to build a test reactor to see whether it works on a commercial scale. Called Iter, it could be switched on within a decade. Wave generators No longer a dead duck, the hopes of engineers are riding on bobbing floats again. The British company Trident Energy recently unveiled a design that uses a linear generator to convert the motion of the sea into electricity. A wave farm just a few hundred metres across could power 62,000 homes."

11/9/2005 1:25:59 PM

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We did some work on his stuff here. We were unable to reproduce his lines in the spectra from the He/H plasma.

Futhermore, fractional quantum states around an atom have not been observed.

One of our former professors worked for him. Basically, Mills made up most of his data.

[Edited on November 9, 2005 at 1:40 PM. Reason : almost forgot]

11/9/2005 1:39:28 PM

what a dick

11/9/2005 2:01:53 PM

before i take your word for it, i will wait to hear from more able authorities.

i mean, it says some scientists have come to believe his data.

so some believe him, some don't.

i will wait.

11/9/2005 2:07:14 PM

well, actually, we could never observe his spectral lines b/c they were in the deep UV. Way too energetic for us to have measured with our equipment.

And, he didn't really make up his data in so much as analyzed his data incorrectly. And when the proper method was used to analyze the data by fellow physicists at his company that disproved his work, he fired them.

In conclusion, Blacklight power is a crock of shit.

P.S. - I'm one of the grad students that consulted for this company. And it's my old adviosr (and nukewolf's) who went to work there. Plus, if you read the scientist's comments that "agree with Mills," he doesn't so much agree with him, rather say that not all of Mills' work is impossible. But he reiterates that no one can repeat Mills' experiments. Primarily b/c of my explanation above about him "massaging the data."

If you read his scientific papers, and know something about plasma physics and spectroscopy, Mills' errors are very apparent.

[Edited on November 9, 2005 at 2:12 PM. Reason : explanation for OEPII]

11/9/2005 2:08:26 PM

well this is all bullshit

11/9/2005 2:11:30 PM

^Fair enough. There is something interesting in atomic physics which is going on in these plasma. I think it is transfer of energy from one metastable state of one element which is resonant with the ionization energy of another element. That much is believable and is in reputable journals, like "Plasma Sources Science and Tech." and "Journal of Applied Physics".

It's the line broadening data, and the claim of hydrinos, that I frankly don't believe.

Nopneti: I remember now...you guys were looking at total heat balance, not UV.

[Edited on November 9, 2005 at 2:15 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/9/2005 2:13:40 PM

well what kills me is the 1000 times more heat than conventional fuel claim

just screams violation of the conservation of mass, energy, and a 2nd law of thermo

11/9/2005 2:22:11 PM

no it doesn't. nuke power offers 1000 times more energy than burning firewood

11/9/2005 2:24:19 PM

What a letdown.

If Quantum theory were to have holes found in it that would have been a good thing :/

11/9/2005 2:26:42 PM

So regardless of what is actually happening in the atoms, and whether or not it "disproves" quantum theory...

is his phenomenon a viable cheap source of energy?

11/9/2005 2:30:21 PM

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"no it doesn't. nuke power offers 1000 times more energy than burning firewood"

the language of the article led me to believe that he was just burning it

i misread it

11/9/2005 2:36:52 PM

quantum theory takes a genius to truly understand

11/9/2005 2:36:56 PM

I stopped reading at:

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"Opponents claim idea is result of wrong maths "

11/9/2005 2:45:21 PM

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"is his phenomenon a viable cheap source of energy?"

i know

honestly, this is all i care about

basically, if some dude says he has a process that will put conventional physics on it's head

THEN FUCKING SHOW US

11/9/2005 3:44:26 PM

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"he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron."

I thought this form of hydrogen already existed? It's suppose to be called protium. The only other two isotopes to my knowledge are deuterium (proton and neutron) and tritium (proton and two neutrons).

11/9/2005 6:19:09 PM

^ I got thrown by that also. Read the whole thing:

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"Dr Mills's claim that he has produced a new form of hydrogen, the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron. In his "hydrino", the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge amounts of energy."

Here is what it should have looked like:

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"Dr Mills's claim that he has produced a new form of hydrogen--the simplest of all the atoms, with just a single proton circled by one electron--which he calls "hydrino". In his "hydrino", the electron sits a little closer to the proton than normal, and the formation of the new atoms from traditional hydrogen releases huge amounts of energy."

11/9/2005 9:56:22 PM