WTF, mate?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16397937%26method=full%26siteid=94762%26headline=exclusive--bush-plot-to-bomb-his-arab-ally-name_page.html

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"EXCLUSIVE: BUSH PLOT TO BOMB HIS ARAB ALLY Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: "The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. "He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. "There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it." A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been "humorous, not serious". But another source declared: "Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men." Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. "I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war." Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of "collateral damage". Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two "smart" bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved "perfectly correctly". Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment. "

11/22/2005 3:08:37 PM

eh, al jazeera SHOULD be bombed.

11/22/2005 3:13:55 PM

Now nobody is going to accuse President Bush of strategic planning.

11/22/2005 3:18:28 PM

wait

hold the phone

we wanted to cut off the enemies propoganda outlet

WTF?!!?

11/22/2005 3:32:41 PM

OMF MORE DOWNING STREET MEMOS!!1

11/22/2005 3:35:14 PM

Does this really shock anyone? I mean, this IS an administration that is advocating the use of torture. If they openly talk about how torturing people is good, what's to stop them from killing journalists? And they've already killed an estimated 100,000 Iraqi civilians in this racket. We see what value they place on the lives of these people.

11/22/2005 3:40:43 PM

i am not surprised.

he IS a murderous hypocritical lunatic, after all. (who wants to spread democracy in the arab world and china! fucking retarded barbarian should be gutted and quartered by a mob)

they have already bombed al-jazeera's offices twice, once in iraq, and once in afghanistan, claiming they were honest mistakes.

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"we wanted to cut off the enemies propoganda outlet"

oh is that what they call news outlets these days you bushdicksucker?

IF there is any free press in the arab world, it is al-jazeera, because they don't give a damn about what ANY government thinks of them.

so they show a lot of dead bodies from wars on their shows. is that breaking any laws?

they show it AS IT IS, which is much more than what can be said about the american "free" press.

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 4:03 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2005 3:57:13 PM

they glorify the other side, and broadcast osama's rantings.

that alone is enough for a few cruise missiles.

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 4:04 PM. Reason : *]

11/22/2005 4:01:38 PM

wait, do YOU believe in democracy then, or not?

obviously not, because you are indirectly pushing a dictatorial type of system where viewpoints you don't like should be:

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"cruise missiled"

then you have no place in the country you live in. go live in africa, south america, russia, or the arab world.

so áre you saying that if osama's men dropped off video tapes at cnn's offices in the arab world, they wouldn't play them? and anyway, it is their choice. it is NOT against the law to broadcast them.

and fox glorifies the other other side, so it is perfectly ok for arab suicide bombers to bomb them? because they are not neutral?

11/22/2005 4:08:21 PM

"in other news, al-jazeera has aired another video tape, purportedly from osama bin ladin. [insert snippet of said video]"

11/22/2005 4:09:00 PM

^^ you think cnn hasn't had the video(s)? they choose not to air them.

oh and if arab suicide bombers want to try to bomb fox news, go for it. they're so effective and accurate and all...

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 4:10 PM. Reason : *]

11/22/2005 4:10:11 PM

no

its only right when WE bomb things

*le duh*

because WE WAYRZ A UNIFORM
THAT MAKES IT OK

11/22/2005 4:10:27 PM

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"oh and if arab suicide bombers want to try to bomb fox news, go for it. they're so effective and accurate and all..."

i'm sure they won't

but i'd like it if one of our fly boys would explain just how precise the flights had to be to hit the world trade centers at that speed

(of course, i could be wrong)

actually, now that i reread bushdicksucker's comment, i really have no clue what he's talking about

11/22/2005 4:12:26 PM

not real hard to hit a building with a plane.

11/22/2005 4:13:08 PM

oh i'm sorry, didn't realize you were an authority on flying

i'll take your word for it, really

11/22/2005 4:14:22 PM

pilot.

11/22/2005 4:19:12 PM

well thats cool

logged much time in commercial airliners?

11/22/2005 4:21:31 PM

very little difference on flight.

look, anybody with even simple knowledge of flight could put a plane, even a large one, into a large building.

11/22/2005 4:26:23 PM

didn't i say i was going to take your word for it

11/22/2005 4:27:05 PM

in fact, i don't even know why it matters

i don't even know what your statement even meant

11/22/2005 4:29:10 PM

we should destroy their news outlets... it "emboldens" the terrorists

we should also eat their children because they are likely to soon become terrorists

11/22/2005 5:10:43 PM

Thats the same paper that got in trouble for printing fake Iraq abuse pictures and also ran the "How Can 60,000,000 People Be So Dumb" cover.

11/22/2005 5:13:56 PM

^ excellent point

11/22/2005 5:19:10 PM

its a valid fucking question

how can 60,000,000 people be so dumb

this was the first election where i thought non-voters made the right choice

11/22/2005 5:20:50 PM

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"Thats the same paper that got in trouble for printing fake Iraq abuse pictures and also ran the "How Can 60,000,000 People Be So Dumb" cover."

Obviously, they should be bombed!

11/22/2005 5:26:52 PM

So when do we bomb Newsweek??!

11/22/2005 5:38:35 PM

wow, Bush never ceases to amaze me

11/22/2005 5:40:18 PM

Not to take Bush's side... but I'll wait until the memo is authenticated.

11/22/2005 5:56:15 PM

first, the "How can 60,000,000 people be so dumb?" headline was the Daily Mirror out of London, so I'm not sure how that's the "same paper" as al-Jazeera.

second, 30thAnnZ, you're an idiot on so many levels. first, your low-speed single engine Cessna is not anything like comparable to a multi-jet engine heavy, and if you really were a pilot you would by aware of this distinction. Second, just to back up the point that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, I'll even use what your buddy dubya thought about the 9/11 attacks:
"As a former pilot, the President was struck by the apparent sophistication of the operation and some of the piloting, especially Hanjour's high-speed dive into the Pentagon." (9-11 Commission Report, page 334)

11/22/2005 7:27:28 PM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16397937%26method=full%26siteid=94762%26headline=exclusive--bush-plot-to-bomb-his-arab-ally-name_page.html

Who ever said that Al-Jazeera printed the "How can 60,000,000 people be so dumb?" headline? Damn, son.

I'm going with 30thAnnZ on this one. Although they may handle differently, the flying characteristics are pretty similar in all modern aircraft.

11/22/2005 7:32:39 PM

i'm still waiting for the duke to respond

11/22/2005 9:29:03 PM

^^^ hahahahahahaha

sweet!

n00b doesn't know the drill

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 11:32 PM. Reason : oh and i am aware of the date you registered, you dumb n00b faggot]

11/22/2005 11:31:52 PM

haven't read the whole thread. but you guys should watch "control room" about al-jazeera. some suspicious shit in there too. arab journalists killed by american bombing in iraq when they decided to film bombing that US forces had asked them not to.

11/23/2005 3:28:32 AM

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"they show it AS IT IS, which is much more than what can be said about the american "free" press. "

YES THEY ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG. BLACK AND WHITE. NO GREY.

NOT ONE THING THEY AIRED WAS BIASED. THEY EVENLY SHOWED BOTH SIDES OF THE CONFLICT. THEY SHOULD GET AN AWARD!1!!1!

THEY DIDNT BREAK ANY LAWS SO THEY ARE COMPLETELY UN BIASED AND FAIR! ITS ONLY PROPAGANDA IF OUR NEWS OUTLETS SPEW IT11!!!1!!

11/23/2005 9:02:18 AM

duke has informed me that the only tricky part would be hitting the right sky scraper

11/23/2005 9:59:19 AM

i dont like bush at all, but i agree with him here. he should fuck that place up.

11/23/2005 12:47:55 PM

^So nice to see that americans are really serious about this freedom of the press business. Ah, freedom American style!

11/23/2005 3:50:58 PM

I'd say that gag order over in Britain does all the memo-authenticating necessary.

11/23/2005 4:15:21 PM

I don't think it would be hard to hit a building with a plane either... pilots have to land specifically on runways all the time, you could just pretend the building was a runway, and you'd nail it.

11/23/2005 4:35:15 PM

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"because WE WAYRZ A UNIFORM THAT MAKES IT OK"

Well, actually...dumb as it sounds, that's pretty much what international law says.

11/23/2005 5:53:38 PM

^ the issue here is bombing a news office.

are you saying that is ok?

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"YES THEY ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG. BLACK AND WHITE. NO GREY. NOT ONE THING THEY AIRED WAS BIASED. THEY EVENLY SHOWED BOTH SIDES OF THE CONFLICT. THEY SHOULD GET AN AWARD!1!!1! THEY DIDNT BREAK ANY LAWS SO THEY ARE COMPLETELY UN BIASED AND FAIR! ITS ONLY PROPAGANDA IF OUR NEWS OUTLETS SPEW IT11!!!1!!"

and that makes it ok to bomb the news office?

oh wait, i forgot, either you are with us, or against us...

Lokken, you are now officially deemed a bushdicksucker.

11/23/2005 6:35:59 PM

Wow. This has to be fake. 'Coz that's just too fucked up, even for Bush.

11/23/2005 7:40:26 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/271105conspiracytheory.htm

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"Bush plot to bomb al-Jazeera is a conspiracy theory, says Blair London Telegraph Melissa Kite November 27 2005 Tony Blair yesterday branded as a "conspiracy theory" claims that a leaked memo has revealed plans by President George W Bush last year to bomb the Arabic television station al-Jazeera. The Prime Minister broke his silence on the issue as fresh concerns surfaced over the use of the Official Secrets Act to suppress the memo. People who have seen the document say the real reason that it is being suppressed by the Government is because it contains a potentially damaging private discussion between the two leaders about the controversial United States attack on the Iraqi city of Fallujah last year. Mr Blair sought to play down the memo yesterday, despite the fact that two men, accused over its leaking, are to appear in court this week facing charges under the Official Secrets Act. He also shrugged off a request from the managing director of al-Jazeera, Wadah Khanfar, for a meeting. Mr Blair was speaking at the Commonwealth summit in Malta, where he has been locked in trade talks with African leaders. "

Comment:

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"Two people are going to jail over it and the media has been ordered not to talk about it, but it's still a conspiracy theory? I suppose it's also a conspiracy theory that Al-Jazeera was bombed on two seperate occasions as per the mandate of this memo?"

Well that's it! He called it a "conspiracy theory." It absolutely MUST be false now!!


Related:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/271105rumsfeldoutburst.htm

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"Rumsfeld’s Al-Jazeera outburst London Times Sarah Baxter November 27 2005 THE Middle Eastern news network Al-Jazeera was accused by Donald Rumsfeld, the American defence secretary, of broadcasting “vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable” reports about the war in Iraq the day before President George W Bush met Tony Blair at the White House and apparently suggested bombing the station’s headquarters. Rumsfeld denounced the satellite television station at a Pentagon briefing on April 15, 2004 after Al-Jazeera had reported that America’s assault on the insurgent stronghold of Falluja was terrorising civilians. “They are simply lying,” Rumsfeld said. "

11/28/2005 11:03:58 AM

Kabul, Afghanistan Al-Jazeera offices bombed by US in 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021015054431/http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1653887.stm

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"Al-Jazeera Kabul offices hit in US raid Tuesday, 13 November, 2001 The Kabul offices of the Arab satellite al-Jazeera channel have been destroyed by a US missile. The Qatar-based satellite channel, which gained global fame for its exclusive access to Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban, announced that none of its staff had been wounded. But al-Jazeera's managing director Mohammed Jasim al-Ali, told BBC News Online that the channel's 12 employees in Kabul were out of contact. Mr Jasim would not speculate as to whether the offices were deliberately targeted, but said the location of the bureau was widely known by everyone, including the Americans."

THE U.S. WOULD NEVER TARGET JOURNALISTS!! THEY WOULD CERTAINLY NEVER BOMB AL-JAZEERA!! IT'S NOT LIKE THEY DID IT BEFORE!!

THIS TALK OF BOMBING AL-JAZEERA IS JUST A CRAZY "CONSPIRACY THEORY"!!!

11/28/2005 11:32:09 AM

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"MPs leaked Bush plan to hit al-Jazeera · Transcript of meeting with Blair passed to US contact · Official and aide already charged over document David Leigh and Richard Norton-Taylor Monday January 9, 2006 The Guardian Two Labour MPs have defied the Official Secrets Act by passing on the contents of a secret British document revealing how President George Bush wanted to bomb the Arabic TV station, al-Jazeera. The document, a transcript of a meeting between Mr Bush and Tony Blair in April 2004 when the prime minister expressed concern about US military tactics in Iraq, is already the subject of an unprecedented official secrets prosecution in Britain, against an aide to one of the MPs and another man. Article continues David Keogh, a Cabinet Office employee, is charged with leaking information damaging to international relations to Leo O'Connor, researcher to Tony Clarke, former MP for Northampton South. The two are due to appear in court tomorrow for committal hearings. The information was then acquired by Mr Clarke, who in turn consulted his parliamentary colleague, Peter Kilfoyle. The two politicians decided to pass on the information to a contact in the US."

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1682258,00.html?gusrc=rss

1/9/2006 11:24:23 AM