at 7, best game should be Michigan St. vs. BC...get to see how well BC will do in the ACC this year and see their playing style....should be a good game.

12/6/2005 5:51:18 PM

St. Joe's has rallied to lead by 3 in the second half.

12/6/2005 8:20:41 PM

apparently every team in college basketball is having a down year

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 8:37 PM. Reason : sdf]

12/6/2005 8:36:08 PM

It seriously does feel like that this year

12/6/2005 8:37:30 PM

ha, the kansas black dude is making awesome shots around the basket, while the boring old white guy on st. joes is dropping 3s.

12/6/2005 8:41:53 PM

St. Joe's is hanging tough. I like the way they use the shot clock.

12/6/2005 8:43:41 PM

their boring ass offense is much more interesting than ours

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 8:54 PM. Reason : senior leadership >> freshmen talent]

12/6/2005 8:45:40 PM

Stachitas is a 3-point machine.

12/6/2005 8:54:07 PM

Jimmy V classic and NC State is not in it, wonder why?

12/6/2005 8:55:24 PM

We were in it 3 years ago. Against Gonzaga...

12/6/2005 8:59:37 PM

state has only been in the men's once IIRC

Inaugural Womens was @ the ESA though

12/6/2005 9:00:30 PM

and we embarassed ourselves in an important game against a quality opponent.

we should be invited more often, but people are catching on that 9 times out of 10 we dont win important games.

12/6/2005 9:00:59 PM

Damn ESPN, always jinxing good free throw shooters.

St. Joe's with the win.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 9:15 PM. Reason : The Hawk Will Never Die]

12/6/2005 9:12:26 PM

senior leadership >> freshmen talent

12/6/2005 9:15:44 PM

how low can self sink?

he could be on the hot seat by next yr

12/6/2005 9:18:03 PM

jimmy V, what a class act and all around good guy [/obvious]

anyone just watch the replay of that speech? bout enuf to cause a tear.

12/6/2005 9:33:25 PM

I try to watch that speech whenever it comes on...if that doesn't make you cherish your life, nothing will.

I'm so glad he took the Wolfpack to a National Championship and is a part of NC State history. What an awesome guy.

12/6/2005 9:41:53 PM

that speech redefines guts every year for me

and he was our coach

12/6/2005 9:43:20 PM

why is BC ranked 6?

12/6/2005 9:50:51 PM

That speech always nearly makes me cry.... Jimmy V was a great person. It's sad that he can't be remembered as the face of NCSU like Dean is for UNC and K for Duke.

His Reynolds speech was even better.


Every year about this time reminds me why I will never support NandO

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 9:59 PM. Reason : sdfds]

12/6/2005 9:58:47 PM

^^They returned like 4 out of their 5 starters from last year.

12/6/2005 10:08:03 PM

^So did we: Atsur, Brackman, Evtimov, and Bethel.

12/6/2005 10:10:00 PM

They did really well in the Big East last season.

THIS JUST IN: NORTHERN IOWA 67, (12) IOWA 63

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 10:19 PM. Reason : DAMN]

12/6/2005 10:17:32 PM

But BC was better than we were last year... They started 20-0 (Granted, against weak competition)


They got as high as #3 I think

12/6/2005 10:18:02 PM

Let that final score posted sink in...

12/6/2005 10:20:08 PM

Northern Iowa was favored in that game...

12/6/2005 10:21:15 PM

^So did we: Atsur, Brackman, Evtimov, and Bethel.

12/6/2005 10:21:36 PM

i have that speech on DVD
when i first got it, i sat down and watched it a dozen times in a row

12/6/2005 10:24:47 PM

Indiana State beat Indiana 72-67.

^^Bethel IS a starter when healthy and Brackman started over half of the games last year.

[Edited on December 6, 2005 at 10:25 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2005 10:24:55 PM

Quote :

"i have that speech on DVD when i first got it, i sat down and watched it a dozen times in a row"

This one is much better....

http://www.angelfire.com/nc/packnews/speech.html


God bless that man

12/6/2005 10:28:20 PM

man, these offenses make me weep

12/6/2005 10:30:15 PM

^x12 or so.. packbacker, i heard things about what the news and observer said/did toward the end of valvano's time here...

what exactly is the full story?

12/6/2005 11:14:32 PM

AGER BOMB

12/6/2005 11:15:49 PM

on the note of those two upsets...a little foreshadowing on how march might be this year? im seein upset city in the tourney.

12/6/2005 11:17:00 PM

nova is the only power house team that i can see going undefeated

12/6/2005 11:22:57 PM

LETS PLAY THE SAME COMMERCIAL TWICE IN A ROW



espn sucks.

12/6/2005 11:24:59 PM

does anyone have the sound clip of the speech?

12/6/2005 11:40:09 PM

his daughter has cancer now poor Valvano family, hate it for them hopefully i wont get the same thing my dad had.

btw, nova over bucknell although bucknell should be ranked

12/6/2005 11:55:21 PM

anyone know how bad his daughter's cancer is?

genes can be a bitch sometimes

12/7/2005 12:47:08 AM

no, the rankings are fucked up now and based on complete fucking bullshit. They should be better by the end. All ACC teams are very overrated, right now.

12/7/2005 12:53:32 AM

Quote :

"^x12 or so.. packbacker, i heard things about what the news and observer said/did toward the end of valvano's time here... what exactly is the full story?"

Probably too long to post here.

Basically, they were completely responsible for starting a witch hunt on his head. About 3 or 4 of their journalists made claims that major alumni were contacting them and discussed Valvano paying his players large sums of money during recruitment, that his players were completely out of control....writing completely fabricated stories from "anonymous" boosters with the inside story on how V's players were just animals and an embarrasment to the ACC, about how V gave special "gifts" to players families in need....just about anything ridiculous that would make us look bad, they said it...at a time in the process where it was all rumors swirling (Mostly started by them). These stories got around to the national media, and before the investigation was even complete, V was viewed as the most backhanded coach in the nation. Despite what the outcome of the investigation was.... NandO had already painted V's image as a lying, cheating, and win at all costs parson....nationally....

After the 3 separate NCAA investigations the only thing we were found guilty of was our players selling their complimentary shoes and ACC tournament basketball tickets (Which V didn't know about). Problem was, NandO had made him look so bad and started such a witch hunt on him, we fired him to save our own public image. As a matter of fact, the chief investigating officer in V's investigation wrote him a letter saying when he came down here he expected to meet the most underhanded and slick coach in the nation.... instead he found a terribly misunderstood and misrepresented man. He even went as far as to tell V that if he had a son, it would be an honor for him to play for Coach Valvano.

I believe about 3-4 people were fired from NandO after this scenario. I also hear they made an "issue of public apology" and assured Pack fans that the News & Observer will focus more on fair and unbiased triangle media. It's gotten better... but it's still far from good.




[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 7:46 AM. Reason : sfad]

12/7/2005 7:36:37 AM

Quote :

"does anyone have the sound clip of the speech?"

I've got the ESPY one.... I really really want a clip to the Reynolds one, but I can't find one.


If anyone has it, let me know.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jimvalvanoespyaward.htm

12/7/2005 7:39:21 AM

this thread has part of it posted from about last week

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=369452

i wish i'd been old enough to have been here

12/7/2005 11:23:43 AM

I want to watch/listen to the whole Reynolds speech, but I can't find it online.

12/7/2005 1:46:52 PM