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"I can say that we, in fact, are consistent with the commitments of the United States that we don’t engage in torture, and we don’t."

-- Penis Cheney

Dark Prison: US Tortured Detainees at Secret Afghan Prison

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"KABUL, 20 December 2005 — The United States operated a secret prison in Afghanistan as recently as last year, torturing detainees by chaining them to walls and forcing them to listen to loud music in total darkness for days, a human rights group alleged yesterday. The prison was run near Kabul, New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a report based on the testimony of several detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, who said they were held there. CIA officials have not commented on various allegations of torture, but Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday denied that the United States engaged in torture. “I can say that we, in fact, are consistent with the commitments of the United States that we don’t engage in torture, and we don’t,” Cheney said in an interview broadcast on ABC News “Nightline.” Cheney was not responding directly to the Human Rights Watch report, but to questions about anti-torture legislation before Congress. According to the report, the detainees were kept in total darkness — they called the facility “Dark Prison” — and were tortured and mistreated by American and Afghan guards in civilian clothes, suggesting it might have been operated by the Central Intelligence Agency. “They were chained to walls, deprived of food and drinking water, and kept in total darkness with loud rap, heavy metal music, or other sounds blared for weeks at a time,” the report said. “Some detainees said they were shackled in a manner that made it impossible to lie down or sleep, with restraints that caused their hands and wrists to swell up or bruise.” Human Rights Watch did not speak with the detainees directly because the United States has not allowed human rights organizations to visit detainees at Guantanamo or other detention sites abroad. Instead, the testimony regarding the alleged prison was made by the detainees to their lawyers, who passed it on to the rights watchdog. “Human Rights Watch believes that the detainees’ allegations are sufficiently credible to warrant an official investigation,” the report said. “We’re not talking about torture in the abstract, but the real thing,” said John Sifton, terrorism and counterterrorism researcher at Human Rights Watch. “US personnel and officials may be criminally liable, and a special prosecutor is needed to investigate.” The report said Benyam Mohammad, an Ethiopian-born Guantanamo detainee who grew up in Britain, claimed he was held at the facility in 2004. “It was pitch black, no lights on in the rooms for most of the time,” he was quoted as telling his lawyer. “They hung me up. I was allowed a few hours of sleep on the second day, then hung up again, this time for two days.” He went on to say that he was forced to listen to Eminem for 20 days before the music was replaced by “horrible ghost laughter and Halloween sounds.” “The CIA worked on people, including me, day and night,” he was quoted as saying. “Plenty lost their minds. I could hear people knocking their heads against the walls and the doors, screaming their heads off.” The report said the prison was closed after several detainees were transferred to a US military detention center near Bagram, just north of Kabul, late last year. The United States’ handling of its detainees has come under increasing scrutiny in recent weeks. Khaled Al-Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent, is suing the CIA for wrongful imprisonment and torture, saying he was seized in Macedonia on Dec. 31, 2003, and taken by CIA agents to Afghanistan, where he was allegedly abused before being released in Albania in May 2004. Senior members of the European Parliament, meanwhile, have proposed setting up an investigative committee to determine whether US agents held terror suspects in secret European prisons. Meanwhile, Afghan President Hamid Karzai is considering reshuffling his Cabinet and cutting the number of ministers, officials said yesterday, after the president inaugurated his country’s first Parliament in decades. The Parliament has the right to endorse ministers chosen by Karzai, who was voted in as Afghanistan’s first directly elected president last year. “The reshuffle would involve several ministries, including a couple of key ministries, such as the foreign affairs,” a government official told Reuters on condition of anonymity. “The other change would be cutting down the Cabinet size through mergers of ministries,” he said, adding that no date had been set for the changes."

12/20/2005 7:52:37 AM

they have absolutely no reason to lie about shit either.

12/20/2005 8:32:41 AM

What's the source of that article?

12/20/2005 10:41:00 AM

Chained to a wall in a dark room while blasting Dre and Eminem? Sounds like college.

12/20/2005 11:02:41 AM

youre clever b/c you replaced dick with penis

really

12/20/2005 11:42:52 AM

lol Lokken.

I was just about to post that.

12/20/2005 12:01:25 PM

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"youre clever b/c you replaced dick with penis really"

and jew are clever because you noticed it!!!!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

really

oh and jew are an amazing person because that matters to you more than the torture!!!!

12/20/2005 2:10:38 PM

You know your credibility goes out the window when you start calling people names like Penis and PooPoohead, right?

12/20/2005 2:11:38 PM

I promise I don't write like that in official documents!

Anyway, my credibility?

What does that have to do with the news article? You think I wrote that or made that up?

And anyway, his name is "Dick", which is a synonym for "Penis".

[Edited on December 20, 2005 at 2:21 PM. Reason : Let's not worry about Cock's or the US gov's credibility when they say they don't torture!!!!!!!]

12/20/2005 2:20:25 PM

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"Chained to a wall in a dark room while blasting Dre and Eminem? Sounds like college."

12/20/2005 2:22:19 PM

Thats certainly not how they should be treated, but its a stretch to call it torture.

12/20/2005 2:22:28 PM

It is not a stretch if you read everything:

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"“They were chained to walls, deprived of food and drinking water, and kept in total darkness with loud rap, heavy metal music, or other sounds blared for weeks at a time,” the report said. “Some detainees said they were shackled in a manner that made it impossible to lie down or sleep, with restraints that caused their hands and wrists to swell up or bruise.” “It was pitch black, no lights on in the rooms for most of the time,” he was quoted as telling his lawyer. “They hung me up. I was allowed a few hours of sleep on the second day, then hung up again, this time for two days.” He went on to say that he was forced to listen to Eminem for 20 days before the music was replaced by “horrible ghost laughter and Halloween sounds.” “The CIA worked on people, including me, day and night,” he was quoted as saying. “Plenty lost their minds. I could hear people knocking their heads against the walls and the doors, screaming their heads off.”"

And even if by your twisted mentality you don't call that torture (try playing rap at full volume in your house for JUST ONE HOUR, what to talk of 20 DAYS while being chained in a dark room), it sure as hell ain't "humane treatment conforming to international standards" either.

Also, torture does not necessarily mean beatings, lashings, and electric shocks. Mental torture is more harmful and damaging in the long run.

[Edited on December 20, 2005 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ]

12/20/2005 2:27:22 PM

A sourceless article. How journalistic of you....

12/20/2005 2:33:40 PM

What?

I don't care what article you post. I can read. I have access to the same internet you do and probably a much deeper historical background. What you posted is worthless without debate and your credibility as an intelligent person drops considerably when you call the vice president "Penis" and you make posts like [sarcastic remark]!!!!!!!!!!!1

12/20/2005 2:33:46 PM

^^^

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"Sounds like college."

12/20/2005 2:44:08 PM

All of you can STFU.

Wow, amazing... people actually acting mature in here; that's a first. Every thread you open is full of insults and sarcasm, and everybody in the SB has been sarcastic or insulted someone at least once. (probably at least 10 times)

And it IS about the article, not about my insult of the VP. Jesus, talk about you people making a mountain out of a molehill.

Sourceless? It is all over the news today. Go anywhere, AFP, AP, Reuters, BBC.

12/20/2005 3:31:57 PM

Dick's name is "dick", changing it to "penis" is just changing it to what you are probably thinking anyway. It's not that big of a deal.

12/20/2005 3:35:54 PM

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"Wow, amazing... people actually acting mature in here; that's a first. Every thread you open is full of insults and sarcasm,"

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"And it IS about the article, not about my insult of the VP"

maybe you should practice what you preach.

Next time you post a fucking article, try not sounding like a moron by thinking 'Penis' instead of 'Dick' is funny, and then maybe post an article with a fucking source.


[Edited on December 20, 2005 at 3:47 PM. Reason : *]

12/20/2005 3:45:53 PM

^ I wasn't preaching you retard.

I was pointing out the preaching of others telling me not to use insults, when they do it themselves. Remember, I am not the one who said you can't insult anyone. The others said it, and they do it also.

And learn to use google.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-12-18-secret-prison_x.htm

12/20/2005 3:59:21 PM

I will not google peoples worthless opinions.

I will not google peoples worthless opinions.

I will not google peoples worthless opinions.

12/20/2005 4:03:02 PM

The news article was not my opinion (what you should have googled).

"Penis Cheney" was my opinion (what no one asked you to google or comment on, but you might as well, because 20 posts, and still people care about that comment more than the article).

12/20/2005 4:16:00 PM

hey guys, quick question.

who do i email in saudi arabia about one of their loyal subjects circumventing their internet site filters?

12/20/2005 4:17:31 PM

and how am i doing that there?

oh wait, i posted some pics in the hottest girl thread in chit chat.

yeah, well you know, there are more than a billion webpages, with thousands created everyday.

and the robot program they use cannot catch all sites fast enough, and of course, some sites are not blocked even though they are old, because the urls are non-sexual, or the pics are hidden deep inside the webpage.

again, google works wonders!


[Edited on December 20, 2005 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ]

12/20/2005 4:43:18 PM

Actually 30thAnnZ, you have a very good point.

Can someone run an IP trace on him? I think all we have to do is prove that he's posted and looked at indecent pictures on this website and the authorties in Saudi Arabia would handle the rest.

12/20/2005 4:56:41 PM

i know you're from saudi arabia and you have difficulty with the whole 'speaking english' thing, but when using the second person singular pronoun, we usually use the throat rather than the tongue... creating the 'yoo' sound. 'joo' is a common saudi misconception (durka durka durka) but is, in fact, incorrect... just tryin to help out

[Edited on December 25, 2005 at 12:13 AM. Reason : translation]

12/25/2005 12:12:00 AM