for being chosen to go to the orange bowl.


seriously, they fucking almost beat the #3 team in the nation.

1/4/2006 1:13:07 AM

that game will be talked about decades down the road

1/4/2006 1:14:45 AM

and they almost did it ncstate style. a million bonehead penalties and missed fgs (no deraney)

1/4/2006 1:14:45 AM

Somewhat true, but the game validates even more that both teams suck at kicking.

1/4/2006 1:15:27 AM

i fucking hate kickers now though

im tired of their bullshit

1/4/2006 1:18:20 AM

doubtle post

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 1:19 AM. Reason : damn the acc only won 1 million + bowl]

1/4/2006 1:19:00 AM

11 penalties / 115 yds, not to mention those declined.

1/4/2006 1:19:36 AM

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"i fucking hate kickers now though im tired of their bullshit "

like you could hit a FG against either FSU or PSU

1/4/2006 1:27:41 AM

I think I could.

I've hit tougher kicks than those guys, in pressure situations too.

Then again, a rugby ball is easier to kick than a football

1/4/2006 1:30:34 AM

^^thats not even an argument

what are the dynamics of what you are trying to say?

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 1:32 AM. Reason : c]

1/4/2006 1:31:51 AM

That was the best football game I have seen for a long time

1/4/2006 1:35:49 AM

that was a great ass game

1/4/2006 1:37:31 AM

I can't help but draw the irrelevant comparison between pro and NCAA kickers. Inside 40 yards in the pros, it's usually a lock (esp. in the middle of the field), in college, outside of the top 3 kickers nationally, it's a roller coaster. If you watch 3 college football games, you'll likely see a PAT shanked. How many times has a PAT been missed in the pros all season (blocks aside)? Totally irrelevant I know, but kickers are kickers, they don't change much physically, and a lot have soccer backgrounds, so how can college kickers be so much more inconsistent?

1/4/2006 1:39:22 AM

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"almost "

1/4/2006 1:39:38 AM

one of the most frustrating but awesome games ever.

1/4/2006 1:40:43 AM

^^^ because pro kickers are the best of those kickers, not every college kicker goes pro

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 1:42 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2006 1:41:58 AM

i think the pro kickers hit them bc they can handle pressure, i think the pressure gets to a lot of college kickers

1/4/2006 4:41:01 AM

Kicker is the one position where nerves have just as much if not more to do with your level of success than your actual talent or skill level. Lots of guys can kick a 50 yarder...not a lot of guys can do it down by two in front of 75,000 with 3 seconds left in the game.

1/4/2006 4:59:45 AM

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"and they almost did it ncstate style."

They even kept throwing screen passes.

1/4/2006 8:42:17 AM

good game

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 8:51 AM. Reason : yep]

1/4/2006 8:50:17 AM

especially since VT almost lost to the Lou

1/4/2006 9:17:31 AM

I knew Penn State couldn't cover a 10 point spread.

1/4/2006 9:19:14 AM

that was a great game
the punt return was just nasty

im so glad that FSU showed up, unlike The U

1/4/2006 9:29:41 AM

The hash marks are closer in the NFL thus making the FG kicking window smaller.

1/4/2006 10:56:09 AM

really?

i never knew that

1/4/2006 11:04:57 AM

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"Totally irrelevant I know, but kickers are kickers, they don't change much physically, and a lot have soccer backgrounds, so how can college kickers be so much more inconsistent?"

College kickers get 4 years. Pro kickers can stay in the league for a long time. Look at the good kickers in the NFL: Vinatieri - 10 years, Kasay - 15 years, Longwell - 9 years, Vanderjagt - 8 years. That is a lot more time to develop.

Also note that teams won't draft or sign multiple kickers, so depth is really shallow there. NFL kickers are the best of the best college kickers, and the lifespan of one is so long that the league becomes incredibly stacked at that position.

1/4/2006 11:11:02 AM

Also keep in mind that the tick marks in the pros are closer to the center of the field. So extreme left and right kicks in the ncaa's are harder.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 11:54 AM. Reason : and that was already said]

1/4/2006 11:53:38 AM

vinaterri has been in the league 10 years?

i thought he was like brady, and hadn't done much before the "Dynasty" started

1/4/2006 12:48:00 PM

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1392

He's been kicking for the Pats since '96, with a pretty consistent record.

1/4/2006 12:53:12 PM

makes me wish i hadnt gone to bed @ 10pm to make love to my wife.

1/4/2006 1:26:40 PM

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"for being chosen to go to the orange bowl."

Well this thread is really pointless. They were in the Orange Bowl because they were ACC champs. Not because they were "chosen".

1/4/2006 1:39:24 PM

That doesn't make this thread pointless you moron.

1/4/2006 2:04:35 PM

it does have a point. if a conferences bcs representative doesnt finsish in the top 10 of the bcs standings for 3 yrs in a row they could lose their automatic berth.

fsu didnt finish in the top 10, if it happens twice more, this game can be used as evidence that they deserved to be there.

1/4/2006 2:07:42 PM

Then what is the point of the thread? Proving that FSU belongs in a BCS bowl...which it automatically got because they won the ACC...they were not chosen.

So the point of this thread is saying FSU deserved to be there? NO FUCKING SHIT. They won their division and beat Virginia Tech to get in. They EARNED their way in unlike Notre Dame.

1/4/2006 2:10:17 PM

nd earned there way in as well, as far as the rules go which is all you are referring to.


his pt is that the bcs is intended for the top 8 teams in the nation and before the game many thought fsu did not belong in that group.

1/4/2006 2:12:02 PM

yeah no fucking shit they got into the bowl because they beat Va Tech in the acc championship. the point of the thread was that people thought they made it in by a lucky break, but in fact, they really had the talent to compete in this bowl, and they proved it last night.

1/4/2006 5:11:40 PM

FSU is highly underated at #22. They just had a few problems to work out and they did but I think they are clearly a top 10 team. They were one extra point away and the game may not have even gone to overtime. But if if's and but's were candy and nuts, we'd have a merry christmas everyday.

1/4/2006 5:12:11 PM

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"really? i never knew that"

BOA Stadium for the Car care bowl. Notice the slightly faded marks closer to the center of the field.

1/4/2006 5:42:25 PM

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"that game will be talked about decades down the road"

that game wont be talked about tommorow, let alone decades down the road

1/4/2006 6:24:33 PM

i beg to differ, that game was the most exciting bcs game I have seen thus far this year except for maybe the end of the wvu vs. georgia game. It will be talked about. All of those missed kicks at the end were crazy.

1/4/2006 6:41:13 PM

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"FSU is highly underated at #22. They just had a few problems to work out and they did but I think they are clearly a top 10 team."

Um, no. They CLEARLY are NOT a Top 10 team. They have 5 losses. They lost to us. They have the same record as us.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 7:04 PM. Reason : f]

1/4/2006 7:04:27 PM

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"i beg to differ, that game was the most exciting bcs game I have seen thus far this year"

um, i agree with the game being talked about, but that statement isn't saying a whole lot

1/4/2006 7:09:18 PM

I don't even agree with that. The UGa-WVU game was far more exciting. Less mistakes, penalties, just as good a finish. It just wasn't as long...

V I mean it was a good game but WVU was supposed bigger underdogs then FSU was I believe. Oh well.. at least they were both good games.. really all 3 have been pretty good so far.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 7:16 PM. Reason : f]

1/4/2006 7:12:05 PM

while the other two BCS games so far were pretty hyped up to be exciting, this game was more exciting than both IMO. people like jay marriotti said PSU would stomp FSU and they were sadly mistaken, which was the best part of the whole thing.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 7:15 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2006 7:15:03 PM

Jay Mariotti is and always will be an idiot.

1/4/2006 9:52:33 PM

i wonder why the white sox fan doesnt like mariotti

1/4/2006 9:53:21 PM