cause they only beat 2 teams with winning records and one of them was Navy

1/4/2006 10:57:30 AM

!!!!CHARLEY WEIS!!!!!

way to get them to give you the contract before the bowl game tubby

1/4/2006 11:04:02 AM

i think they gave him the contract because, unlike ty willingham, charlie weis wouldve gotten job offers from a dozen NFL teams to be their head coach because weis won superbowls in NE...

but convince me ND was great...now granted, they played pretty damn well against USC...but come on, 2 wins against teams with winning records? fucking Chapel Hill doubled that

1/4/2006 11:07:05 AM

Good year in terms of football...maybe, maybe not. I think they played pretty well despite the losses. The level of competition point is valid, though.

For the program, though...the hype alone is enough to be a good year. They're back in the spotlight and they made it to a BCS bowl, getting their name to recruits. It's just like after Ty's first year.

1/4/2006 11:12:18 AM

i agree with what you said but i'm more disputing how they deserved a BCS bowl in the first place...Michigan was the only quality opponent that they beat who had a record of .500 or better ( I don't consider Navy a quality opponent)

1/4/2006 11:15:37 AM

That's not really Weis's fault, though, so much as the schedule.

They lost to USC and OSU, one of whom is playing in the title game and one of whom was expected to compete for that right earlier in the season.

The Michigan State loss was bad, but State has had their number the last few years and was definitely pumped for that game.

1/4/2006 11:19:45 AM

They went toe to toe with (and barely lost to) the best team in the nation this year

In 2003 they lost to us in the Gator Bowl

They've come a very long way

1/4/2006 11:55:16 AM

Bah

1/4/2006 11:57:56 AM

^^ So by that logic, would you consider this year and last year great years for NC State since we beat the eventual ACC champion?

1/4/2006 12:00:23 PM

we barely lost to Ohio State in triple overtime during their 15 game win streak or whatever...did we play in a BCS bowl that year? any year? we've also beaten the shit out of Navy before

1/4/2006 12:11:41 PM

^^ No, there's a big difference between National Champions and Conference Champions.

One has to be the best of every D-1A team.

The other just has to be better than Miami and VT.

Quote :

"we barely lost to Ohio State in triple overtime during their 15 game win streak or whatever...did we play in a BCS bowl that year?"

Ohio State wasn't the #1 team in the nation at the end of that year. They'd lost to Wisconsin and Michigan. Not to mention we proceeded to lose our last two games of that season.

So it's really not the same thing at all.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2006 12:13:15 PM

actually they only have to be better than ND UCLA and Ore

1/4/2006 12:17:45 PM

Well considering the extent to which they shit on the #2 team last year (and may very well do it again this year), I don't think they have many doubters as to being the top team in the nation.

Or at the very least, they're #2.

1/4/2006 12:20:06 PM

I do think ND is overrated and that they had a solid, but not great year. The fact that their schedule turned out to be soft was not their fault. Purdue, Michigan State, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Washington, and Stanford all had very disappointing seasons. ND always plays a quality schedule and I think they are a better team than Oregon.

1/4/2006 12:20:40 PM

Quote :

"No, there's a big difference between National Champions and Conference Champions."

There's also a big difference in what NCSU fans consider a great season, and what a top tier team considers a great season. Winning the ACC championship would be a great season for us.

The fact remains that almost beating someone does not make you good.

Notre dame beat no one of any consequence, and therefore deserves no respect for that.

1/4/2006 12:20:46 PM

that was last year

they have different players this year

besides Oklahoma's status as the #2 team last year is a big question mark.

and fsu proved they could play with the #3 team in the country

1/4/2006 12:22:38 PM

Quote :

"The fact remains that almost beating someone does not make you good. Notre dame beat no one of any consequence, and therefore deserves no respect for that."

They are the only team to play USC close this year. If that doesn't deserve respect and show that they're a pretty good football team, then I really don't know what to tell you. There are human voters for a reason.

Quote :

"besides Oklahoma's status as the #2 team last year is a big question mark. and fsu proved they could play with the #3 team in the country"

Auburn wasn't going to do any better against them last year.

And ND proved they could play with both the #1 and #4 team in the country, whereas Oregon (who was really the only other team who was going to get the BCS slot) proved they couldn't hang with the #1 team in the country and couldn't beat an unranked team in a bowl game.

1/4/2006 12:32:09 PM

Quote :

"They are the only team to play USC close this year."

except for of course Arizona State who was up on USC 21-3 at halftime...oh yeah and Fresno State of course who was the 3rd team this year to almost beat USC...but other than that, Notre Dame was the only team to play USC close this year

1/4/2006 12:36:15 PM

Quote :

"They are the only team to play USC close this year. If that doesn't deserve respect and show that they're a pretty good football team, then I really don't know what to tell you."

alright, this thread is titled "Convince me that ND had a GREAT year" not a good year, a GREAT year. I'll concede that they had a good year, but when your best "win" is a LOSS, you did not have a GREAT year.

1/4/2006 12:36:20 PM

^^ Beat me to it

Quote :

"They are the only team to play USC close this year. If that doesn't deserve respect and show that they're a pretty good football team, then I really don't know what to tell you. There are human voters for a reason. "

Only team??? Fresno State lost 50-42 and was winning in the second half. USC scored the last nine points.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 12:37 PM. Reason : ^]

1/4/2006 12:36:51 PM

Lots of teams led against them in the second half. They didn't show up until after halftime probably in about 50% of their games.

Here's the thing I'm curious about, because I really don't know on this one, but...

Who deserved the BCS bid more than ND?

1/4/2006 12:44:14 PM

Oregon

1/4/2006 12:44:52 PM

Ok, so if I'm the BCS, I'm trying to find the best team between ND and Oregon

Now, granted, ND didn't beat much of anyone, but they hung with the #1 team in the nation. So in theory they're obviously pretty good, right?

Contrast that with Oregon who got blown out, but did beat a bunch of low ranked teams.

You've got to find some team to play the #4 team in the nation -- who would you honestly choose?

As an aside, I just want to mention that I really don't give two shits about ND and whether they had a good year, great year or not. I've just thoroughly enjoyed some of the games they've been a part of.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 1:02 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2006 1:01:19 PM

its not who you play, its who you BEAT

1/4/2006 1:02:35 PM

That doesn't answer the question at all.

1/4/2006 1:27:42 PM

i think vt and fsu both had seasons comparable to ND's

oregon was ranked high in the bcs but only b/c the pac-10 is always highly overrated

1/4/2006 1:32:04 PM

Hell, even Auburn could be considered. 9-2 with multiple wins over ranked teams.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 1:33 PM. Reason : bowl game performance aside, because we're discussing BCS selection]

1/4/2006 1:33:21 PM

Quote :

"For the program, though...the hype alone is enough to be a good year. They're back in the spotlight and they made it to a BCS bowl, getting their name to recruits. It's just like after Ty's first year."

3rd post

/thread

you cant define a once struggling team's success in a season by wins and losses. Come on TreeTwista, you know that. Thier loss to USC alone put them back in the national spotlight.

1/4/2006 1:33:42 PM

When Texas beats the pants off USC tonight, will the "we almost beat USC" agrument hold any water?

1/4/2006 1:34:46 PM

the Panthers almost beat the Patriots in Superbowl 38

but you see, they ALMOST beat them...they didnt win...they lost

1/4/2006 1:38:04 PM

^^^that is irrelevant to the discussion. he is trying to determine if the deserve to be back in the nat'l spotlight.

b/c the fact is, they never left. ND is ALWAYS in the nat'l spotlight, unfortunately.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 1:38 PM. Reason : a]

1/4/2006 1:38:22 PM

we almost beat VT, wake and unc so we deserved a better bowl

1/4/2006 1:39:40 PM

They lost to Michigan State

they should not have gotten into a bcs game

1/4/2006 1:40:55 PM

Quote :

"And ND proved they could play with both the #1 and #4 team in the country,"

wait

osu won by two td's

thats not 'hanging' in my book

1/4/2006 1:42:47 PM

Quote :

"They lost to Michigan State they should not have gotten into a bcs game"

Convince me and Lokken while you are at it.

^Yeah giving up a school record 617 yards is really hangin with someone.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ^]

1/4/2006 1:45:34 PM

if Mr. Heisman didnt illegally throw his QB into the endzone this thread wouldn't even have been made.

1/4/2006 1:47:39 PM

wow

what an argument

players illegally push each other for extra gain in every game i have ever watched and it has never been called. never.

if nd's D could have stopped usc just once on that drive, we wouldnt be having this thread.

1/4/2006 1:48:52 PM

if Mr. Philly Cheese hadnt tried a 2nd QB sneak, etc etc etc

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

1/4/2006 1:50:51 PM

If my Aunt Linda had nuts she'd be my Uncle Larry

1/4/2006 2:05:04 PM

Quote :

"wait osu won by two td's thats not 'hanging' in my book"

You should have watched the game. ND was in it until the very end.

1/4/2006 2:06:53 PM

^^no she'd be your uncle linda

if a team couldnt tie or win with one more possesion, they didnt hang.

1/4/2006 2:08:53 PM

^ we probably wouldnt call her Linda if she had a big ol' set of testes.

1/4/2006 2:10:04 PM

Quote :

"You should have watched the game. ND was in it until the very end."

Really?!? I dont think you watched the game either. OSU was in control the whole time.

1/4/2006 2:10:47 PM

true but who's to say they would call her larrry


also i wasnt sure at what pt she would have said 'nuts,' at birth or after a midlife operation?

1/4/2006 2:13:13 PM

Quote :

"if a team couldnt tie or win with one more possesion, they didnt hang."

They were within one touchdown until there was like a minute left.

The second touchdown came with under 2 minutes left. OSU was trying to run out the clock (since they didn't want ND to get the ball back) and Smith had made two impressive plays on the third and longs of the drive. Then he handed the ball off to Pittman who broke free and scored a 60 yard TD.

Basically, ND defense fucked up at the end. The game was well within reach until that point.

Quote :

"Really?!? I dont think you watched the game either. OSU was in control the whole time."

If NDs defense had been able to stop Smith on those third and longs at the end of the game, they would've had more than enough time to tie it up. They were by no means out of reach.

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 2:14 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2006 2:13:24 PM

I think Notre Dame had the best record in the country this year

for moral victories

^hey Stein...IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

1/4/2006 2:14:35 PM

Quote :

"If NDs defense had been able to stop Smith on those third and longs at the end of the the entire fucking game, they would've had more than enough time to tie it up. They were by no means out of reach. "

1/4/2006 2:16:02 PM

maybe if Charlie Weis had Tom Brady and Bill Belichek he could've had more than one quality win this season

1/4/2006 2:18:08 PM

hey twista my mind picture of you is Rob the DJ from the chappelle show

is that cool with you?

1/4/2006 2:19:08 PM

You put down Navy, but this is a totally different team than the one NC State beat back when Phil was here. New head coach, new offense, and the #1 rushing attack in the country (not to mention the least penalized team in the country yards wise). I really would have loved to see the Navy offense match up against the NC State defense this year - Manny and Mario would have had to learn to stay home much more than they did for the most part this year. And it's not like NC State had powerful offense to make up for missed opportunities like they did with Phil.

I'm not trying to say that Navy is a powerhouse, but I also can be pretty sure that if I bet 100 bucks against all of you that you didn't watch more than 2 Navy games all season, I'd be a very rich man. And unless you watch the games, you really don't know what you're talkng about. Those of you who knock Navy for the losses they had to NC State are simply living in the past.

1/4/2006 2:19:13 PM