in basketball. UNC sucks

1/5/2006 8:55:44 PM

in football we wouldve lost 31-17

1/5/2006 9:54:59 PM

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"17"

ha

1/5/2006 10:04:34 PM

I also laugh at 17.

1/5/2006 10:06:48 PM

in football we would have lost 44-12

1/5/2006 10:38:55 PM

i meant to say in a bowl game. in a regular season game it wouldve been worst but 31-(14 or 17 depending on if he made the fg) in a bowl situation.

[Edited on January 5, 2006 at 10:54 PM. Reason : 17 usc d isnt that good and usc games have alot of possessions]

1/5/2006 10:53:15 PM

USC has been overated for years...put them in the ACC and see if they would have gone 12-0 in the regular season. Texas proved that they don't play anyone....

1/6/2006 7:08:40 AM

^Huh. We must have been watching different games. If Texas is as good as you are implying and USC is as overrated as you say they are then I would have expected the game to be a blow out. 41-38 is not a blow out. Even most of the game stats favor USC.

I guess since the game was close and you think the ACC would humble USC you are also saying that the ACC would have mopped the floor with Texas as well.

Meh. I'm just glad USC lost. I got tired of hearing about them.

1/6/2006 7:40:49 AM

I'm not saying that USC sucks or anything...don't get me wrong...but how times is it USC versus a school like Hawaii...come on....if NC State played the University of southern Montana-central-east Tech every week, we'd be 12-0 too and we'd win 60-3 every week. Hell, I'm not even saying that State would beat USC...but I promise you if they were in the ACC...one of the teams would upset them...those rankings are bullshit.

1/6/2006 8:56:35 AM

^Yeah I could see an ACC team beating USC. Just not bringing them down to 6-5 seasons.

1/6/2006 9:14:08 AM

^^ god that is ridiculous.

Say what you want about the Pac-10 but they had USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona State all in teh Top 25. On top of that USC played a Top 10 team in ND on the road and a VERY DANGEROUS mid-major at home in Fresno State.

Hawaii was an OOC game and so was Arkansas (SEC opponent obviously). Of all schools, playing Southern Miss, MTSU, and a 1-AA, we have NO room to talk about their OOC schedule.

What ACC team would have beaten USC this year? Miami at their best? They played at their best one game. VT at their best? Doubt it. FSU? Yea right... where would the loss come from.

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 9:20 AM. Reason : f]

1/6/2006 9:17:32 AM

I'd say duke

1/6/2006 9:32:28 AM

I'd say what are you smoking. First, ND is just like UNC is in basketball....they are overated. In basketball UNC almost has to have a losing record not to be in the top 25. Just because ND won back in the early years they are always over ranked(thats why they lose their bowl game every year). Second, Arizona State is not ranked in the top 25.

UCLA-17th (tied)
Oregan-5th

As oppossed to ACC

Miami,VT,GT,BC,and FSU all in the top 25. Hell in the other polls even Clemson was ranked. These teams beat the shit out of each other....throw USC in there and they'd lose one of those games...and that would ruin there #1 rank they have every year...

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 9:54 AM. Reason : wrote down arizona instead of state]

1/6/2006 9:52:19 AM

NOTHING I saw from ANY team in the ACC this year showed me that ANY team belonged on the field with USC or Texas. Sorry..

BC, GT, Clemson, FSU?? Get out of here. They would be blown off the field.

Miami and VT, if they played PERFECT GAMES would have a CHANCE.. maybe.

** oh and Cal is 25th. Arizona State was ranked all year until their starting QB got knocked out for the year (AFTER the USC game)

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 10:46 AM. Reason : f]

1/6/2006 10:43:51 AM

If we played USC

We'd lose by more then 50.

If you think otherwise you're a fucking idiot.

1/6/2006 10:51:49 AM

People act like we can put up points on them since 'their defense is weak.' Please. We put up 14 on the juggernaut of a defensive progam that USF is.

USC, although they gave up a ton of points this year playing HIGH POWERED OFFENSIVE TEAMS (Fresno, ND, UCLA, ASU, etc, etc) we still would have NO MATCH for their speed..

1/6/2006 10:55:10 AM

Funny how there is never any unbeaten teams in ACC anymore...USC would not change that...Miami and VT used to do that...not anymore...there is always an upset in the ACC....not only in football but in basketball too. Thats is what makes it the best conference....let me see a team win like 25 games in a row in the ACC and I will be in awe....

1/6/2006 10:57:28 AM

It's not really that funny. It's simply because their aren't any teams AS GOOD AS TEXAS AND USC WERE THIS YEAR.

The '05 Miami and VT teams have no where near the talent as those two..

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 11:00 AM. Reason : f]

1/6/2006 11:00:12 AM

"I'm not saying that USC sucks or anything...don't get me wrong...but how times is it USC versus a school like Hawaii...come on....if NC State played the University of southern Montana-central-east Tech every week, we'd be 12-0 too and we'd win 60-3 every week. Hell, I'm not even saying that State would beat USC...but I promise you if they were in the ACC...one of the teams would upset them...those rankings are bullshit."


I did not say state would win...I said one of the teams in the ACC would beat USC if they were in the conference

1/6/2006 11:00:28 AM

stupid argument. There's no ACC team this year that could have gone toe to toe with USC or Texas.

1/6/2006 11:13:09 AM

I agree with the original poster.

Those of you saying that no ACC team even belonged on the same field as USC or Texas are crazy. Sure, none of the ACC teams were better, but they belong on the same field...and given a little luck and a good night, could concievably beat them.

If either team was in the ACC, even this year not to mention good years, they'd definitely have lost at least one game.

Oh, and saying USC would have beaten us by 50 is pretty out there too. Sure they would have killed us, but if you think our D would have let them drop 50-60 points you haven't watched much state football, especially recently.

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

1/6/2006 11:13:22 AM

I completely disagree but no point beating a dead horse.

1/6/2006 11:15:38 AM

I was about to end arguing to NY...haha....what about UNC vs. State...what do you think we will do there?

1/6/2006 11:20:17 AM

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"....if NC State played the University of southern Montana-central-east Tech every week, we'd be 12-0 too and we'd win 60-3"

we didn't play them this year?

I can't believe you're ragging USC's schedule and using State's as a counter. we had one of the easiest schedules in college FB this year, and we didn't beat anyone 60-3

http://gopack.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/ncst-m-footbl-sched.html

1/6/2006 11:22:28 AM

were we ranked #1?

1/6/2006 11:24:07 AM

irrelevant.

1/6/2006 11:29:16 AM

What I am saying is simple.....put USC in the ACC...they'd lose a game...they would not have been ranked #1. Put State in their conference....I bet you we would have been in the top 25. No where did I say state was better than USC...would they beat us....probably...would they have won the ACC conference...probably....but they would have not gone undeated....and that would have made them questionable to be in the championship game.

1/6/2006 11:34:17 AM

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"There's no ACC team this year that could have gone toe to toe with USC or Texas."

And ^if State were in the Pac10, we would have been SLAUGHTERED this year. Those teams are geared toward offense, and you can be pretty damn sure they would have put up more points than we could ever hope to match.

1/6/2006 12:21:03 PM

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"if NC State played the University of southern Montana-central-east Tech every week, we'd be 12-0 too"

haha... this guy thinks we would be 12-0 if we played USC's schedule.

Hawaii
Arkansas
Oregon
Arizona State
Arizona
Notre Dame
Washington
Washington State
Stanford
California
Fresno State
UCLA

then the backpedaling begins:

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"Put State in their conference....I bet you we would have been in the top 25"

maybe next he'll come back and admit State would have done no better than 6-5 with their schedule.

1/6/2006 12:58:55 PM

I think the point he's trying to make is that, when going at it with the teams of a strong conference week-in, week-out, you'd better believe they'd drop a couple games. This "Let's fall back 20-7 at halftime, then destroy the other team" shit wouldn't have worked in the ACC. I've made the same argument about USC being in the SEC before.

Just because USC can defeat Arkansas or Virginia Tech in a one-time affair doesn't mean they could line up for 8 weekends a year and mop up the other teams they'd have to face as well.

1/6/2006 1:32:05 PM

Thanks Sleik.....at least some one got what I was saying..........

1/6/2006 2:34:57 PM

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"stupid argument. There's no ACC team this year that could have gone toe to toe with USC or Texas"

^^^And NCSU prolly goes MAYBE 6-6 against that schedule. More likely 5-7.

1/6/2006 2:37:28 PM

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"I think the point he's trying to make is that, when going at it with the teams of a strong conference week-in, week-out, you'd better believe they'd drop a couple games."

I simply disagree still. USC and Texas did what they had to do to win. It's not like they fell behind big against the very best teams they played (Notre Dame, Oregon - they were SLIGHTLY behind, etc). They generally played good games. They fell behind against the teams that were generally not as good as them. You don't honestly think UNC, Maryland, State, Duke, Wake, etc could have held on to leads against USC if they jumped out in front do you.

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 2:40 PM. Reason : f]

1/6/2006 2:40:06 PM

you guys are thinking usc would put up 35 points every acc game? no way in hell. if they caught vt fsu miami on a good day it would be tough to come across points. the game would be in the teens or twenties. and those 3 teams could beat usc on a good day. then teams like ncsu gt uva bc on a great day could hold usc into the teens or twenties. imagine if we had an fsu day on offense against uscs defense and had a great day on d. it would be a good game then. texas is the only good defense they faced all year and dfefensive play is much more of an agressive style in the acc and sec.

then if you sent usc into the sec im sure either lsu florida alabama (with prothro) georgia usc auburn couldve beaten them. (and look at the crowds, oregon is the only tough place to play in the pac 1)

edit watch a pac10 game and pay attention to the dline and pass rush then watch and sec/acc game and pay attention to it and it is night and day. guys like manny mario kiwi mcclover merriman henderson are on almost every good team.

ive also seen all year on play where des get push and even look like they could get to lienhart he usually incompletes the pass

also, i would really like ohio state to beat usc (especially if it was in the shoe)

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 2:50 PM. Reason : pass rush]

1/6/2006 2:43:57 PM

People don't realize how good ACC defenses are this year. USC had trouble with Texas' speed on D and speed is exactly what ACC D's, like State, VTech, Miami, and FSU, all have.

1/6/2006 2:58:11 PM

if a team like Miami couldn't survive simply coming to north carolina for two weekends in a row, i seriously doubt that USC would be able to do the week-in-week-out grind of hte acc, when even teams like Duke and Wake will make your games scary punishing affairs

1/6/2006 2:59:42 PM

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"USC had trouble with Texas' speed on D and speed is exactly what ACC D's, like State, VTech, Miami, and FSU, all have. "

Sorry but unless the ACC had a VAST UPGRADE in most of the teams offenses they would be in trouble. As for trouble with Texas' D. Well how much trouble can you have putting up 574 yards of offense, 30 first downs, and 38 points.

1/6/2006 3:02:25 PM

texas d is a completely different style. they play a more conservative d. also they had 7 starters on d with either cramps or ivs at halftime. misconditioning happens sometimes in bowls . in the first half usc offense really on got 3 points (the td was a result of a fumble. and im not saying a normal day for these teams. iim sayign fi one of these teams are clicking and play usc. clicking is>your average offense


(and uscs d isnt that good so you dont need a great offense to put up 3tds.

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 3:10 PM. Reason : --]

1/6/2006 3:09:25 PM

I bet if you put Duke in that conference their record would be twice as good

1/6/2006 3:29:25 PM

For once I am going to have to agree with NyM410

1/6/2006 3:35:09 PM

i love how USC loses to Texas by 3 freaking points and it suddenly erases all of their past success

1/6/2006 3:43:20 PM

look at the vt game last year. usc only scored 24 points and i remember a bogus deep ball td in that game. i dont really remember clearly but it was some sort of pass interferance or something. i think auburn wouldve beat usc last year

1/6/2006 3:47:26 PM

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"i love how USC loses to Texas by 3 freaking points and it suddenly erases all of their past success "

No one is erasing anything, they can keep their single National Championship and be happy.

1/6/2006 3:51:46 PM

they won two AP national championships
and one BCS

this argument is stupid, as are the rest of you who try and perpetuate it

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 3:54 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/6/2006 3:54:05 PM

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"if they caught vt fsu miami on a good day it would be tough to come across points."

Haha yeah LSU put up 40 on Miami and could have put up 60 if they wanted to. And you think USC would struggle against them?

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"Well how much trouble can you have putting up 574 yards of offense, 30 first downs, and 38 points."

I know right. USC puts up those numbers against that GREAT Texas defense. The only thing that stopped USC all night was a fumble, interception, or not getting a conversion on 4th down. Yeah they played real bad and struggled.

1/6/2006 3:59:42 PM

the interception call was bogus

and so was that no call when texas' receiver walked two steps and fumbled it away to USC

1/6/2006 4:02:40 PM

And Texas has some rough ones against Baylor, Lafayette,Ok State, and Kansas

1/6/2006 4:06:58 PM

i said on a good day. obviously that wasnt a good day for miami. now imagine that lsu vs usc.

like i said before usc offense produced 3 points in the first half before texas misconditioning got to them.

what interception was bogus? the on where griffi clearly got a food down?

1/6/2006 4:08:41 PM

Kansas won their bowl and finished 7-5 you ignorant fuck.

1/6/2006 4:09:08 PM

so did southern miss

1/6/2006 4:10:30 PM