anyone have this before who can tell me what im in for

1/9/2006 9:28:52 AM

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"anyone have this before who can tell me what im in for"

Freshman retake

1/9/2006 9:29:27 AM

What's your major?
What's your general interest in programming?
What's your course schedule?
Which instructor are you signed up for?

Be a bit more specific ... a one-liner is confusing to try to help you out.

1/9/2006 11:31:07 AM

pay attention in class. Go to the instructor's office hours (probably Shwartz). If you've got Shwartz, he's a dick sometimes, but he knows his stuff and if you atleast half ass pay attention he's awesome.

DON'T WAIT TIL THE WEEK THE PROJECT IS DUE TO START. that's the best advice anybody could ever give you for that class. You go to get help, and the lab is packed full and the TA's have no time to help everyone there.

1/9/2006 12:14:23 PM

bookmark http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/

1/9/2006 1:05:17 PM

Have you ever programmed before? If not, you're fucked

1/9/2006 1:08:53 PM

^i disagree. if you've never programmed before, you'll have to make more use of the TA's...but the class is still VERY doable.

1/9/2006 1:10:41 PM

Yeah. 116 really isn't that bad... just go to lab, go to class... decently pay attention and you'll be fine... and when it comes to the programs START EARLY. The TAs are definitely more inclined to help you if you come to lots of office hours and make yourself known (as well as in any other class). Unfortunately, most people wait until the last week/weekend to begin their program. Subsequently, all of these people end up in the lab for hours hoping for a TA to get to them before office hours end. The programs aren't overly difficult... and if you get a good lab TA they'll usually give you great hints for how to tackle them if you're having trouble (although I don't see why you would for the first ones... maybe closer to the end)

** on a personal note to parsonsb... java is going to require you to properly use commands... so make sure you pay attention to the order in which they are used.... from your "one liner" it seems you missed some of the integral characteristics of the English language, and you aren't going to want to be in that position when it comes to programming. (If you do, you'll end up spending hours on something ridiculous like something spelled incorrectly or a misplaced comma)

1/9/2006 1:21:45 PM

Just finished the course this past semester. Im a CE major with NO programming experience. All you have to do is just go to class every day even if the material doenst make sense. That way youll be there to take Schwarz's quizzes. And as far as the lab goes, thats where youll actually learn the material. I got major help on all four programs by several different helpfull TA's (both TA's from my lab and other TA's at the computer room). Bottom line, dont give up...I got several zeroes on quizzes, D's on the midterm and final and still came out with a B because the programs count so much. Good luck.

1/9/2006 1:22:02 PM

actually i have lester and i do have prior programming experience just not with a lecture class

my old programming teacher taught us in a lecture/lab environment where we had computers infront of us to try the stuff out on as he was teaching it to get a feel for it

do they incourage creativity here like if you can get the output they want in a more efficient manner than they ask for

1/9/2006 2:45:49 PM

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"do they incourage creativity here like if you can get the output they want in a more efficient manner than they ask for"

HA

They fail you for shit like that in 116/216.

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"from your "one liner" it seems you missed some of the integral characteristics of the English language"

Don't be a bitch.

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1/9/2006 3:07:33 PM

son of a bitch that sucks

1/9/2006 3:16:52 PM

Let me qualify that by saying it was Schwarz that had no interest in students bringing anything to the table that he, himself, did not teach them.

Other teachers might be different.

1/9/2006 3:45:24 PM

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"do they incourage creativity here like if you can get the output they want in a more efficient manner than they ask for"

On assignments, this is generally not the case because if it breaks the grading script, will make more trouble than good. However, if you want to persue things outside of assignments, it is definitely encouraged.

With prior experience, you should be fine. Probably will be bored in most classes as it will cover logic you should already be familiar with. Be aware of the due dates for projects; you CAN get them done in a weekend, but better if you can spread it out over two.

1/9/2006 6:43:54 PM

they also incourage creative spelling

1/9/2006 7:12:47 PM

Take Fortran if you have the option that shit was easy. You did not have to go to lectures, TAs did the lab for you if you couldn't figure it out, Final exam was extra credit and online. Got an A+ easily

1/10/2006 12:19:00 AM

just work on all your projects with friends and you'll be fine

1/10/2006 12:49:23 AM

It's pretty easy to get away with cheating in CSC classes. Typically, we'd pay one guy to write our program, and then pass it around 5 or so of us. We only changed our name on the header.

No one got caught, they don't even check for cheating.

1/10/2006 2:20:48 AM

^ what the fuck are you talking bout man CSC has the highest cheating catch rate on campus cause of MOSS. I'm not saying this to save the kid but I actually like schwarz and miller and you getting caught cheating makes more work for them

1/10/2006 2:38:12 AM

^^
Very very poor advice and 100% untrue. Don't bother trying to cheat ... they have had plenty of time and thousands of students/programs pass through MOSS to fine-tune it. MOSS will flag things that look too similar on assignments.

Btw, instructors who catch you cheating will give you a -100 on an assignment in addition to whatever academic penalities there are. That essentially drops you two letter grades in a class, and I think you are on probation until you graduate.

1/10/2006 6:06:28 AM

Don't try to cheat in 116, just wait until you are at least in 216 when they stop using MOSS and you can copy all of the code you want.

1/10/2006 7:06:03 AM

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"Don't try to cheat in 116"

1/10/2006 10:13:44 AM

That's all scare talk. They want you to believe they check, but they don't. They may even throw a few kids to the lions, but don't believe the ruckus.

1/10/2006 8:38:37 PM

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"Don't try to cheat in 116, just wait until you are at least in 216 when they stop using MOSS and you can copy all of the code you want."

They use MOSS in 216 and 316 too.

1/10/2006 10:11:39 PM

yeah, definately do your own work. Don't share your code with anyone in the class or post it on a message board asking for help. Going to a TA is the safest bet. I came in not knowing anything about java or any programming language for that matter and the class seemed pointless to me. I learned more in lab than I did in class. Don't wait til the last minute to do your programs, yes it can be done in less than 2 hours but that is one habit hard to break and will kick your ass in upper level courses.

1/10/2006 11:11:09 PM

If your code looks even vaguely similiar, they'll call you a cheater and the university works under the policy of guilty until proven innocent, despite the fact that the person who makes that decision is in no way qualified to do so.

It's a great system, really.

1/10/2006 11:16:28 PM