1) I am for the death penalty
2) I am strongly against illegal immigration
3) I am for gay marriage
4) I am against the war in Iraq
5) I never liked John Kerry
6) I never liked George W. Bush
7) I am strongly for domestic military fortification and personnel buildup
8) I think Isreal is wrong, to put it simply
9) I am for leaving the middle east alone entirely
10) I believe that welfare should be completely reformed, and heavily monitored.

[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 1:07 PM. Reason : eh233]

1/25/2006 1:05:52 PM

Independent

/thread

1/25/2006 1:08:37 PM

i'd say classic republican / libertarian republican

1/25/2006 1:08:41 PM

really?

howso?

1/25/2006 1:09:45 PM

LIBERAL WITH DOUBTS ABOUT HIS CHOSEN FAITH

1/25/2006 1:11:51 PM

I have no doubts about anything I posted.

Those are all pretty strong convictions.

and I don't believe in a "chosen faith." That's just another way of prescribing to one side of partisan bullshit, in spite of what you really think of something.

[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 1:14 PM. Reason : gay]

1/25/2006 1:13:52 PM

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"i'd say classic republican / libertarian republican"

That was it.

Classically, republicans have been a fairly strong isolationist party. Of course, sometime around the 1940's this all changed and now both parties are strong proponents of war as a common means of solving problems.

1/25/2006 1:57:14 PM

I'm not that isolationist, though. At least I don't think I am...

I'm all for international commerce, and even for the outsourcing of certain jobs in order to propel the economy a little. It'd be nice to see more American-made stuff, and higher domestic employment, but I realize this is kinda lofty.

Oh, and I'm pro-abortion, for the most part. But I am quick to call a girl a slut if she's a repeat customer.

[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 2:17 PM. Reason : 35]

1/25/2006 2:16:53 PM

http://www.politicalcompass.org

1/25/2006 2:20:34 PM

Well, based on just #2, I'd say "xenophobic racist."

But I guess if I just have to look at all of them together, "classically conservative xenophobic racist"

1/25/2006 2:54:48 PM

nix that.

I'm only against illegal immigration for reasons of employment and overcrowding.

I have nothing against legal immigrants. I encourage it.

^actually, that's so far off, I'm genuinely offended.

[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 3:02 PM. Reason : eh]

1/25/2006 3:00:25 PM

Overcrowding? Are you insane?

What do you think the population density of this country is, anyway?

And notice -- maybe this doesn't apply to you -- that whenever people talk about overpopulation, they're almost never referring to white overpopulation.

The employment issue is a joke, too. I've yet to see so much as a decent correlation between regional immigration and unemployment rates.

1/25/2006 3:06:44 PM

so if youre against illegal immigration then youre racist

man i love the soap box. noone in here has a clue as to what they are talking about.

1/25/2006 3:10:23 PM

Chaotic Neutral

1/25/2006 3:13:29 PM

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"And notice -- maybe this doesn't apply to you -- that whenever people talk about overpopulation, they're almost never referring to white overpopulation."

Noted. Too bad for your argument, these "people" don't include me. I understand that whites--particularly in low-wage areas--are contributing just as much. But this is usually a case of just too much fucking, and not enough brains. With illegal immigration, people are just allowed to cross over in droves. Not to mention, natural citizens are afforded that right--no matter the background.

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"so if youre against illegal immigration then youre racist"

hahaha CLEARLY! It must occur at least 30 times a day that I am talking about how much I hate Mexicans. I mean, how dare they exist. WHITE POWER!

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"What do you think the population density of this country is, anyway? "

My main concern is how one can illegally just march over, and take up residence, and not pay taxes. Overcrowding isn't a problem here, of course. But if it's that easy to embark on the "American Dream," then it's only a matter of time before it's COMPLETELY out of control, thus, causing mass problems with poverty (probably AMONG the immigrants).

[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 3:31 PM. Reason : eh]

1/25/2006 3:22:37 PM

hahahaha

GrumpyGOP is such a fag when it comes to illegal immigration.

Quote :

"xenophobic racist!!!!!1"

1/25/2006 3:36:18 PM

seriously, i know it's TWW and all, and he and I don't know each other for shit.

but that's a broad, ill-conceived claim. Xenophobic and racist are probably the last 2 things you could ever brand me with.

1/25/2006 3:48:17 PM

That ain't libertarian. Maybe libertarian republican, but 2) and 7) rule out pure libertarian.

1/25/2006 3:57:27 PM

Quote :

"Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 2.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18 "

I never seem to get the same score when I take that test... but there are usually pretty big time lapses between each time.

http://www.politicalcompass.org

1/25/2006 4:08:56 PM

I would probably be a liberal, if I didn't hate most liberals so much.

1/25/2006 4:12:35 PM

Just be a self-hating liberal.

1/25/2006 4:14:38 PM

I eat at Whole Foods all the time, that pretty much settles my political leaning.

1/25/2006 4:17:28 PM

^ Yep, a capitalist because you enjoy the freedom provided by the free-market.

1/25/2006 7:00:05 PM

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"PvtJoker: My main concern is how one can illegally just march over, and take up residence, and not pay taxes."

And who, exactly, does that?

And would you support them being here more or less than the 35%-40% of "taxpayers" who not only pay -0- taxes but in fact get subsidized by everyone else?

---

Quote :

"PvtJoker: Overcrowding isn't a problem here, of course. But if it's that easy to embark on the "American Dream," then it's only a matter of time before it's COMPLETELY out of control, thus, causing mass problems with poverty (probably AMONG the immigrants)."

How long exactly is this "matter of time"? Because people have been making your same argument for at least 150+ years now...

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As for the thread though, I'd generally agree w/ DirtyGreek and say classic Republican / Buchananite


[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 9:42 PM. Reason : ---]

1/25/2006 9:40:02 PM

Quote :

"so if youre against illegal immigration then youre racist"

If you're against illegal immigration, there are two possibilities:

1) You are in favor of current immigration laws, which are xenophobic and racist.
2) You are opposed to the law but think that unjust laws should be followed, in which case you are a spineless excuse for a man.

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"I understand that whites--particularly in low-wage areas--are contributing just as much."

Contributing as much to what? Where is all this dreaded overcrowding? All of the places in the world that qualify as overcrowded have virtually no immigration.

Quote :

"With illegal immigration, people are just allowed to cross over in droves."

Droves? Are you high?

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"But if it's that easy to embark on the "American Dream," then it's only a matter of time before it's COMPLETELY out of control"

TGD already responded pretty effectively, but I'd like to add:

OH NOES!!!11 TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE LIVING TEH AMERICAN DREAM!!!1

Quote :

"causing mass problems with poverty (probably AMONG the immigrants)"

You know, the Irish, Italians, and Poles all came over here by the boatload. Yeah, they were poor for a while, but it took them, what, one generation to get pretty much on top of things? And where was the massive socioeconomic collapse when they were setting up shop in New York?

1/25/2006 9:57:57 PM

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"Yep, a capitalist because you enjoy the freedom provided by the free-market. "

just curious: who here actually OPPOSES the free market? im not talking wants it watched closesly and regulated (and possible nationalization of a few things). i mean REALLY opposes it, to the point where you'd rather live in Cuba than the rest of the world.

I mean, everyone's pretty much in the same world economy now save North Korea, dirt poor countries, and Cuba.

V oh, yeah. forgot about him.

[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 10:09 PM. Reason : .]

1/25/2006 10:08:04 PM

I guess you can be excused for not thinking of Kris. He hasn't been around.

1/25/2006 10:09:16 PM

Good idea, I wonder what TWWers would consider me, as one suggested Libertarian for me as well. A little different:

1) I am for the death penalty
2) I am against illegal immigration
3) I am accepting of gays doing whatever, b/c it's their thing regardless of if I like it or not
4) I am for the removal of Saddam Hussein, still unsure about the overall war in Iraq
5) I am strongly against abortion, but believe it's a necessary evil to avoid worse actions
6) John Kerry was a joke
7) GWBush is on a fine line
8) I am strongly for domestic military fortification and personnel buildup
9) I am for interfering in disputes in other countries if necessary for the overall good
10) I believe that welfare should be somewhat reformed, and monitored.

1/25/2006 10:51:31 PM

OP: paleoconservative

^ Republican who doesn't mind selling out a belief or two

[Edited on January 25, 2006 at 11:03 PM. Reason : .]

1/25/2006 11:00:38 PM

anyone that makes up their mind before the issue is an idiot - i.e. clearcut republican/democrat/etc

1/25/2006 11:16:36 PM

I don't think it's selling out a belief as much as it is realizing that people are going to do certain things regardless, and there's no way to avoid more pain unless there's a compromise (if you're talking bout abortion and gay marriage)

1/25/2006 11:16:45 PM

Quote :

""so if youre against illegal immigration then youre racist" hahaha CLEARLY! It must occur at least 30 times a day that I am talking about how much I hate Mexicans. I mean, how dare they exist. WHITE POWER! "

So when you say "i'm strongly against illegal immigration" what does that mean? Would you spit on someone walking down the street if you knew them to be illegal? If you were in North Dakota, and saw someone crossing the border, would you go up to them and kick them?

1/26/2006 1:05:00 AM

not at all. you guys are fucking ridiculous.


this is almost so sophomoric, that I may just quit my own thread all together. It's not their fault that they're illegal. They're just looking for a better life. It's the government's fault that this is isn't regulated nearly enough, for the sake of all parties.

Quote :

"OH NOES!!!11 TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE LIVING TEH AMERICAN DREAM!!!1 "

and this is way out of context. I don't know why I bother.

what's more disturbing, is some of this comes from someone I had considered in high esteem of intelligence.

Quote :

"And would you support them being here more or less than the 35%-40% of "taxpayers" who not only pay -0- taxes but in fact get subsidized by everyone else? "

the same. but this thread isn't about taxpayers, or those who evade it. but in true TWW fashion, shit gets manipulated at the expense of someone else.

Quote :

"You know, the Irish, Italians, and Poles all came over here by the boatload. Yeah, they were poor for a while, but it took them, what, one generation to get pretty much on top of things? And where was the massive socioeconomic collapse when they were setting up shop in New York? "

Again, you just disregarded that I mentioned "illegal." I don't give a flying fuck where they're from if they didn't gain citizenship.

[Edited on January 26, 2006 at 4:20 AM. Reason : could've sworn you WEREN'T a nimrod.]

1/26/2006 4:13:13 AM

yo pvtjoker fucks mexican bitches, dont even give him that racist bullshit

1/26/2006 5:45:19 AM

Quote :

"Again, you just disregarded that I mentioned "illegal.""

And what the hell does it matter if it's legal or illegal?

1/26/2006 9:44:03 AM

or maybe you're against illegal immigration because it pretty much spits in the faces of all the people who came into this country legally and played by the rules.

but nah, throwing around the racist card is easier and makes you seem smarter

and youre right simply because its been happening for 150 years means everything is ok and the country will never fill up. I mean we have a good portion of a fucking continent right?

1/26/2006 10:11:10 AM

Ok, a solution for those strongly against illegal immigration:
Change the law, so that anyone making it further than 2 miles into the country automatically becomes a citizen. Just report to the nearest post office to fill out the paperwork saying you have arrived.

At all border crossings, install electrified barbed-wire, automated gun turrets, and a whole host of semi-lethal obstacles for those eager to "try for a new life."

Sound too evil? Well, make sure they know they can use anything they have to get through. If they want to build a tank to get across, so be it, but watch for land-mines.


[Edited on January 26, 2006 at 10:12 AM. Reason : </kidding>]

1/26/2006 10:11:25 AM

^ That's a really stupid idea.

1/26/2006 10:12:20 AM

It's a silly idea but one I've always fancied. Like that dude who surfed from Cuba to Florida. They shoulda let that man stay.

1/26/2006 12:18:31 PM

hahaha you can be right about something and still be racist

1/26/2006 12:22:04 PM

Wow.

I don't know how it got this far without somebody saying it.



DEY TUKK UR JOBBS!!!

1/26/2006 12:25:56 PM

I'm not sure about PJ's politcal leanings, but his penis can lean my way anytime.

I'm so lame.

1/26/2006 12:33:40 PM

Yeah. You are.

1/26/2006 12:36:34 PM

^^ What an odd thing to say...

1/26/2006 2:34:11 PM

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"It's the government's fault that this is isn't regulated nearly enough, for the sake of all parties."

So close, and yet still so far.

We don't need more regulation, we need smarter regulation. That is, only keep someone out if you have a reason to -- he's a criminal or a terrorist, for example.

Make it so there are no quotas. You just have to go through the quick background check. Then, anyone cross the border through anything other than a checkpoint can be assumed to be a criminal and pursued as necessary.

Quote :

"what's more disturbing, is some of this comes from someone I had considered in high esteem of intelligence."

Quit lamenting my fall from reason and answer some of the important and as-yet unanswered questions:

1) You said people were crossing in "droves." How you do define that? I don't know a lot of sane people who feel like they're being swamped by illegals.
2) Where's the evidence of the economic damage that illegals supposedly cause?
3) Where's the overcrowding in America? Where's the overcrowding anywhere, for that matter? The population density of Freemont, California, is on par with that of Bangladesh, the poster child for overpopulation. There are plenty of reasons for us not to want to live in a giant version of Freemont, but none of those reasons involve squalor or teeming masses.
4) If there's no overcrowding here now, where's the evidence that there's going to be? Do you think that people will continue to pour into the country for ever and ever, regardless of changing conditions?
5) Where was the massive socioeconomic collapse from previous waves of immigration?
6) How does it matter whether or not previous waves of immigration were legal, for purposes of crowding and unemployment? Do legal immigrants take up less space?

Quote :

"and youre right simply because its been happening for 150 years means everything is ok and the country will never fill up."

Absolute stupidity. For our size, this country has always been labor-scarce. The United States ranks 139 in population density at 29 people/km2.

http://www.alsagerschool.co.uk/subjects/sub_content/geography/Gpop/HTMLENH/stats/den.htm

Notice that the only industrialized nations with a lower density are Norway, Sweden , Finland, and Iceland.

We. Are. Not. Going. To. Fill. Up.

Quote :

"or maybe you're against illegal immigration because it pretty much spits in the faces of all the people who came into this country legally and played by the rules."

Their faces got spit in the moment those rules were created.

1/26/2006 5:11:28 PM

Illegal immigrants cost the country 10 billion a year on the federal level by using more services than they pay for in taxes. That is significant.

1/26/2006 5:37:48 PM

^
I'll agree, just as soon as we throw out that bottom 35-40% of all native taxpayers getting subsidized by my $texas...

[Edited on January 26, 2006 at 6:22 PM. Reason : $taxes / $texas / whatever]

1/26/2006 6:22:22 PM