TGD All American 8912 Posts user info edit post |
Tim -- Your delivery was a little uneven at points, and in general I still think you suck as a politician, but I was impressed with your response. The soft edge matched Bush's speech so it didn't look like teh L3ft went overboard, and your delivery was surprisingly natural for a politician. gg.
-TGD
[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 10:37 PM. Reason : and yes I know there's a SOTU thread. this isn't about the SOTU ] 1/31/2006 10:36:50 PM |
Shaggy All American 17820 Posts user info edit post |
especially for a politician related to THE ROCK. 1/31/2006 10:37:49 PM |
dFshadow All American 9507 Posts user info edit post |
he was too damn soft to even be considered a rebuttal
it was just a response.
and his eyebrow didn't make him any harder!] 1/31/2006 10:38:21 PM |
super ben All American 508 Posts user info edit post |
Who was the hot girl behind Louise Slaughter on CSPAN?
P.S. Tim Kaine's eyebrow is very creepy. 1/31/2006 10:40:33 PM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
I AM A ROBOT 1/31/2006 10:40:57 PM |
dFshadow All American 9507 Posts user info edit post |
dunno - i'm watching abc 1/31/2006 10:41:04 PM |
Shaggy All American 17820 Posts user info edit post |
yea she was hot 1/31/2006 10:41:44 PM |
TGD All American 8912 Posts user info edit post |
pic? I was watching ABC too
[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 10:43 PM. Reason : you're not talking about Sen. Mary Landrieu of LA are you?] 1/31/2006 10:42:24 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72816 Posts user info edit post |
aha i saw her
dark hair with the glasses 1/31/2006 10:45:16 PM |
Shaggy All American 17820 Posts user info edit post |
not her (Mary Landrieu) ^^
[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 10:46 PM. Reason : marko knows. cspan all about da ladiez] 1/31/2006 10:45:31 PM |
dFshadow All American 9507 Posts user info edit post |
she's not that hot though! better be hotter than that to get a shoutout from you people 1/31/2006 10:46:08 PM |
dFshadow All American 9507 Posts user info edit post |
watch ABC's web response coverage now 1/31/2006 10:47:20 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72816 Posts user info edit post |
it was some young girl
probably of the intern-type 1/31/2006 10:49:19 PM |
Shaggy All American 17820 Posts user info edit post |
i need to get me an intern 1/31/2006 10:49:45 PM |
panthersny All American 9550 Posts user info edit post |
This is the senator
[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 10:50 PM. Reason : fyi]
1/31/2006 10:49:52 PM |
dFshadow All American 9507 Posts user info edit post |
get the tww news crew on it ASAP marko 1/31/2006 10:49:59 PM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
I wonder if conan will do another triumph skit. the last one was so funny i pooped on myself 1/31/2006 10:50:57 PM |
Kay_Yow All American 6858 Posts user info edit post |
I was impressed...but, of course, I had low, low expectations (having seen Kaine stump a few times in VA). He did a great job protecting himself from criticism from the VA GOP by shrouding the entire response in a cloak of bipartisanship.
I don't think he offered any new insights, but then again, I don't think Bush offered anything new either. 1/31/2006 10:55:15 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
Bush gave a SOTU, and Kaine gave a STFU.
What a lilly liver. If you are a Democrat then act like one. You forgot the "Ooooh Bush is cruel, Bush is evil, Bush is mean, Bush is wicked!!!" 1/31/2006 11:08:43 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
You think Mary Landrieu, the former Senator from Louisiana, is hot?!
I say former Senator because she represents a very Catholic very pro life state, and her vote against Alito is all but an announcement that she will not be seeking re-election. 1/31/2006 11:09:59 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
leave it to the ideological loon to think bush offered anything other and uninspiring bullshit. Hell same goes for Tim Kaine.
^you are kidding right? there is more to politics than abortion and alito was scary because of certain issues dealing with executive power that people from Louisiana do not stand for.
[Edited on January 31, 2006 at 11:11 PM. Reason : .] 1/31/2006 11:10:58 PM |
Shaggy All American 17820 Posts user info edit post |
no thats not the chick
this was some young chick with long dark hair and glasses who was behind Senator SLAUGHTER while cspan was asking her questions 1/31/2006 11:11:37 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
There is no Senator Slaughter. You mean Rep. Louise Slaughter?
^^ No, in Louisiana, faith plays a very serious role in the way people make their decisions. And I don't think there is any way that anyone can credibly say that Excommunicant Landrieu stands any chance in the next election. 1/31/2006 11:14:54 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
HAHAHAHAH I like how you call everyone an excommunicant like it matters. 1/31/2006 11:15:47 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
It matters in Louisiana. Which is the only state that matters for purposes of my statement. 1/31/2006 11:17:35 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
you are having a breakdown in what you preceive to be true and what is true. 1/31/2006 11:19:38 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
That was a meaningful statement. What does that have to do with the importance of religious faith, particularly Catholic faith, to most of the voters of Louisiana? 1/31/2006 11:22:46 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
that's the point. you see everything as a catholic and not a constituent. Do you realize that when she was elected she was very clear that she respected Roe v. Wade and people tried to make an issue out of it and failed. Furthermore, louisiana elections are different than most places. They don't have the republican winner going against the democratic winner. It's a hodge podge. 1/31/2006 11:28:35 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
I understand that, however look at the significance that faith plays in their election processes. Landrieu was running way ahead in the polls, and then the Archbishop of New Orleans declared that it would be a sin to vote for her - and her numbers PLUMMETED that instant.
To be perfectly honest, racism is the whole reason that Landrieu is there in the first place - there are some parts of Louisiana that are quite racist and would never vote for a black man, period.
Landrieu only won at the last second because of a flood of votes coming her way from a certain ward in New Orleans. That ward has been destroyed; it does not exist above water anymore. 1/31/2006 11:31:55 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
she is the incumbent this time around. Don't look for her losing. 1/31/2006 11:46:40 PM |
Smoker4 All American 5364 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "but I was impressed" |
Are you often impressed by car salesmen?2/1/2006 1:21:22 AM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
thats a requirement for a self-described political whore 2/1/2006 1:25:08 AM |
Smoker4 All American 5364 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Landrieu was running way ahead in the polls, and then the Archbishop of New Orleans declared that it would be a sin to vote for her - and her numbers PLUMMETED that instant." |
Gee, why don't we just elect him, then? Then we can just run the government by papal decree.2/1/2006 1:27:04 AM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
Good idea - but Canon law prohibits clerics from holding public office. 2/1/2006 2:09:15 AM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
can you get any more unamerican than Wolfpack2K? 2/1/2006 2:12:26 AM |
markgoal All American 15996 Posts user info edit post |
You are making the false assumption that every self-described Catholic blindly follows all decrees by the archbishop and pope.
Don't you just love how churches are now being targeted for having their 501(c)3 status revoked for preaching anti-war sermons, while the Catholic church and right-wing Southern Baptist churches can explicitly endorse any candidate they want? 2/1/2006 3:24:26 AM |
HockeyRoman All American 11811 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Are you often impressed by car salesmen?" |
Appearently you people who voted for W. are.2/1/2006 7:19:51 AM |
TGD All American 8912 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Smoker4: Are you often impressed by car salesmen?" |
Have you seen most Democrats give speeches?2/1/2006 11:48:54 AM |
boonedocks All American 5550 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Don't you just love how churches are now being targeted for having their 501(c)3 status revoked for preaching anti-war sermons, while the Catholic church and right-wing Southern Baptist churches can explicitly endorse any candidate they want?" |
Yeah. Why isn't anyone suing them?2/1/2006 2:11:27 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Don't you just love how churches are now being targeted for having their 501(c)3 status revoked for preaching anti-war sermons, while the Catholic church and right-wing Southern Baptist churches can explicitly endorse any candidate they want? " |
Maybe they should not be targeted. Nevertheless, the Church never endorses candidates. It simply says what the moral teaching of the Church is on issues.
Quote : | "You are making the false assumption that every self-described Catholic blindly faithfully follows all decrees by the archbishop and pope." |
I'm not talking about "self described" Catholics; I am talking about actual Catholics, that is, people who faithfully follow all decrees by their bishop and pope. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that every person who faithfully follows all decrees by their bishop and pope faithfully follows all decrees by their bishop and pope.
[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 5:28 PM. Reason : add]2/1/2006 5:26:33 PM |
sober46an3 All American 47925 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that every person who faithfully follows all decrees by their bishop and pope faithfully follows all decrees by their bishop and pope. " |
um2/1/2006 5:32:44 PM |
boonedocks All American 5550 Posts user info edit post |
He's saying that real Catholics (by his definition) will vote according to what the church preaches.
I agree. My definition they must.
Fortunately for all sane Americans, there are about 500 real Catholics in America. 2/1/2006 6:06:05 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
Well I guess I'm just in the extreme minority then. The extreme minority which includes the Pope, the late Pope, Mother Teresa, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and all the saints. Where oh where did I go wrong??!
[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 7:27 PM. Reason : where? where I ask!] 2/1/2006 7:26:38 PM |
boonedocks All American 5550 Posts user info edit post |
I'd say it was when you sided with the Whore of Babylon 2/1/2006 8:34:38 PM |
Kay_Yow All American 6858 Posts user info edit post |
I thought Tim Kaine did a good job with his speech. He didn't share much in the way of new ideas, but overall, I thought he made an effective case for change in a simple, relatable tone. In a lot of ways, I think he outbushed Bush...
I think the people of the State of Louisiana have more issues to worry about than how their Senator votes in a judicial nominee. But if you'd like to persist with this rationale, allow me to retort (© Jules Winnfield in "Pulp Fiction").
Right now, Sen. Landrieu is sitting on 56-percent approval rating...which has been steadily increasing since last May. She's right in the middle of the pack in the Senate and is tied with George Allen (R-VA)...who, I think everyone agrees, is pretty secure in his re-election bid.
But, more to the point...Landrieu is a member of the Gang of 14, voted in favor of the Roberts nomination (another Catholic) and spoke out against the fillibuster attempt from members of her own party. I think she's insulated herself well against any such charges.
Oh, and if I think that if you research voting records on judicial nominees, you'll note that other LA senators (*ahem* John Breaux) supported pro-choice and pro-life candidates.
[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 11:54 PM. Reason : add] 2/1/2006 11:36:20 PM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
John Breaux is one Senator, not Senators. However, he was greatly pro life, whereas Excommunicant Landrieu is not. 2/2/2006 1:33:18 AM |
Kay_Yow All American 6858 Posts user info edit post |
I was making one specific reference, but I'm relatively sure the same standard Breaux employed has been consistent among Louisiana's Senate delegation.
Landrieu's safe, as much as it may pain you to face the reality. 2/2/2006 10:54:03 AM |
Wolfpack2K All American 7059 Posts user info edit post |
Uh huh.. Take a look at history, and at the other Senator sitting from Louisiana, and the vote totals from Landrieu's last election, and where those votes came from, and where that ward is now. 2/2/2006 2:53:27 PM |
Woodfoot All American 60354 Posts user info edit post |
wait
are you calling her the excommunicant for effect
or
are you calling her that because you have to? 2/2/2006 4:26:39 PM |
Gamecat All American 17913 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Have you seen most Democratspoliticians give speeches?" |
I know you said most, so this isn't exactly a rebuttal or anything, but Barack's one of the best orators I've ever seen.
[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 4:34 PM. Reason : we talkin' Patrick Henry-style, yo]2/2/2006 4:34:13 PM |