http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/sc.8/category.13/it.A/id.417/.f



That is seriously fucking amazing.

1/31/2006 11:46:35 PM

Not at all and it isn't 120W. Read the specs more closely rather than the shit that gets fed to you in the headlines.

2/1/2006 12:02:33 AM

Uh, according to the product description on that site and elsewhere it's 120W.

2/1/2006 12:24:34 AM

^^good catch, it's max load is actually 140w. Fucking toolbag.

2/1/2006 12:26:27 AM

wow i could use that to power my pI 166.

sweet.

2/1/2006 1:59:34 AM

Actually it's rated for P4 3.0+ ghz processors. Just can't run the agp video monster, raid array etc. 120w is beastly for any embedded pc.

2/1/2006 2:03:57 AM

I had a p4 2.1, 5.25" DVD, 7200rpm seagate, and a Radeon 9200 on a 95W power supply for a long time. It was crammed into one of these 4" wide cases:

2/1/2006 6:32:26 AM

that PSU is DC to DC, so you'd need an AC to DC adapter to plug something like that into the wall

but its impressive that they can get that much power out of something so small

2/1/2006 11:02:04 AM

^ it's dc-dc made for embeded applications like in a car.

you wouldn't want to put this in a desktop. it's only 120W. most desktop PC's are 350W and up nowadays.

2/1/2006 12:25:40 PM

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"spöokyjon All American 902 Posts user info edit post Uh, according to the product description on that site and elsewhere it's 120W. 2/1/2006 12:24:34 AM Noen All American 18621 Posts user info edit post ^^good catch, it's max load is actually 140w. Fucking toolbag."

It's ok guys if you don't take the time to read, or actually comprehend what you read. Just understand you're going to sometimes look like an idiot when you do this. Since you can't read, this is what you are missing

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"12V 7A 10A Switched input"

and

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"12V regulated, min=2A, max=10A (load dependent). Over-voltage shutdown will occur at ~13-13.5V"

There is nothing "supplying" about a switch. This device is a 60W supply with a 84W capable switch. It's super small design doesn't solve any space problems when you realize you have to have another supply somewhere else to provide the regulated 12V. It is additionally stupid because the 5V, and 3.3V lines are taking from the 12V regulated, when they would be fine taking from an unregulated source.
They also specify a 120W max input but then give peak ratings that can exceed this value. Dumb? You probably don't think so.

This company long ago created a 200W "supply" where I think 40W tops was regulated. This is all stupid marketing mumbo jumbo (akin to car amplifiers), and if you were more intelligent, you wouldn't have bought into it and presented it here like it was some great thing.




Please please please argue with me about the semantics of "supply". That is about your only hope in this thread.

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 1:12 PM. Reason : a]

2/1/2006 1:10:42 PM

i want one.

2/1/2006 9:53:02 PM

^^You doober, it's a fucking power supply. No shit you need a dc source, it's for EMBEDDED APPLICATIONS. It saves considerable room in the area that needs it the most, on the board.

You want to argue semantics over a switch versus a supply? That sounds like some shit I would try to do, but not until at least page three.

It's got good press, good reviews, does exactly what it advertises in use, and is perfect in it's niche market. Keep on keepin on.

2/1/2006 11:53:40 PM

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"you wouldn't want to put this in a desktop. it's only 120W. most desktop PC's are 350W and up nowadays."

They don't need to be. My desktop is running off a 240w and works fine with two hdd's a burner, and a 6800gt.

2/1/2006 11:54:01 PM

Noen, you've been had.

2/2/2006 12:03:18 AM

How? He made a retarded uber post. I could give two shits if it's a "true" power supply or not. I've yet to see any DC-DC psu that is this compact, for this kind of application.

2/2/2006 3:44:13 AM

how hard have you looked?

2/2/2006 12:18:29 PM

Tell me oh holy knower of all that is DC-DC, what application exists that needs x regulated power supplies and you heap great praise on a solution that provides x-1 regulated powers supplies and relies on the other regulated one to come from somewhere else?

Where will these mini-itx solutions be placed that there is an availiable, regulated 12V line with enough power overhead that you can just hang this thing off of it and get an embedded PC solution where you didn't have one before with minimum additional power supply requirements. I'm trying to think of a situation, but I obviously don't know as much as you so I am drawing a blank.

Tell me.

2/8/2006 1:20:36 PM

LET'S GET READY TO RUMMBBBLLLEEEEE!!!

2/8/2006 1:52:39 PM

^^robotics, automotive embedded pc's. For that matter ANY closed loop system that runs off a 12V DC battery. There are TONS of potential applications where having the required stepdowns from a regulated 12v down to a to-spec ATX pinout is very useful.

You want more specific examples? I'd be glad to go on for PAGES on the applications of embedded pc's in battery powered devices.

[Edited on February 8, 2006 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

2/8/2006 2:10:28 PM

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"^^robotics, automotive embedded pc's. For that matter ANY closed loop system that runs off a 12V DC battery."

!= regulated

Idiot.

2/8/2006 2:13:02 PM

It lets you do what the x-box 360 and mac mini do, have the AC adapter near the poweroutlet or in the cord instead of the case. As long as airflow is good, that means alot less cooling is needed in the case and also lets you have a much smaller actual computer case. Sure the overall size of the computer+ac adapter isn't MUCH smaller than just the case with a complete ac adapter/PSU... but the ac adapters can be kept out of sight, while you usually want a media pc/xbox type thing within reset-button distance of the tv etc.

2/8/2006 2:19:06 PM

^^You are going to tell me you can't regulate a 12V closed system? Idiot. OBVIOUSLY there will need to be a regulator.

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"It's super small design doesn't solve any space problems when you realize you have to have another supply somewhere else to provide the regulated 12V. "

Exactly the point. You can move the 12v regulator elsewhere. Which makes since in an embedded application. Dur.

You are arguing semantics, not usefulness.

2/8/2006 3:04:20 PM

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"You are going to tell me you can't regulate a 12V closed system?"

I didn't state this at all, but since you are in the process of making yourself look like a dumbass, I'm not surprised you are trying to insinuate that I did.

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"Exactly the point. You can move the 12v regulator elsewhere. Which makes since in an embedded application. Dur."

What? Does it?! Are you so dead set on sticking to your guns (which seems to be the trend with you) that you'll just make up any old retarded shit, wrought with half statements and "buzz words", to try and make a point, apparently not minding clowning yourself in the process? Tell me, why does it "make sense" (you spelled it wrong, btw). You are saying this little dinky supply is good because it gets power right where it is needed - on the board. The 12v is also needed on the board, too, you realize this right? If it make sense to have the 12V off the board, just have the entire dc-dc off board and run the wires needed to power the board. Don't try to make up some shit about the # of wires in the ATX bundle, because these are low power boards and as such won't need a huge cabling demand.

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"You are arguing semantics, not usefulness."

I don't see this being very useful, and you can ask an entire mp3car.com site what they think about it, they are the real users of this product.

2/8/2006 3:57:30 PM

well I just talked to an EE who has been in the field for 28 years, he thought it was clever and useful. You think what you like, put it down, don't use it. Go right ahead. I'll trust the word of someone with a lifetime more experience.

Also, with ALL the EE/ECE kids on this board, why hasn't anyone else spoken up to say how horrible and useless and stupid this is? While it may not be what it's nomenclature claims, I still fail to see how its a useless device.

2/8/2006 4:28:38 PM

Wow, so I worked you all the way into a corner where your best "argument" is it is either useless or not. Can you make your whimpering white flag salute any more pathetic?

2/8/2006 10:05:00 PM

seeing as my original post was

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"That is seriously fucking amazing."

And NOTHING you have said has refuted their claims about what the product will support or run.

So how the fuck have you backed me into a corner? I think it's an amazing product for it's size, *I* am impressed by it. It's useful and pertinent regardless of your fucking retarded semantic babble.

2/9/2006 1:44:13 AM

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"What? Does it?! Are you so dead set on sticking to your guns (which seems to be the trend with you) that you'll just make up any old retarded shit, wrought with half statements and "buzz words", to try and make a point, apparently not minding clowning yourself in the process?"

lol

2/9/2006 8:10:20 AM

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"seeing as my original post was Quote : "That is seriously fucking amazing." And NOTHING you have said has refuted their claims about what the product will support or run."

Thank you captain idiot. I won't argue with you any more about if you think it is awesome or not. Clearly, if you can't grasp why this thing isn't awesome (my opinion) then you aren't going to change your mind. Regardless, you need to seperate "refuting claims" and your opinion that it is awesome because the two ideas clearly don't follow.

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"So how the fuck have you backed me into a corner? I think it's an amazing product for it's size, *I* am impressed by it."

Because I outlined several scenarios about how it is stupid to have this thing that relies on some other regulated supply somewhere else, which is to say that an embedded system generally won't have a single regulated 12V supply somewhere just available to be used as a source to generate other voltages, this is what a battery is for. But like I said, someone with no real clue about this stuff will easily be amazed.

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"retarded semantic babble."

I stopped debating about switch/supply a long time ago. Try to stay up.

2/9/2006 9:59:05 PM

Noen wins only because he stopped caring whether he won or lost. On the other hand Tiberius has seemed to find himself a new alias.....

I considered buying one for my car pc but went with another model that provided delayed shutdown.

2/9/2006 10:16:24 PM

It obviously has a use, but claiming it as a 120w power supply is a bit of a stretch, when with a simple (and small) filter they gain 84 of their 120 watts.

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"well I just talked to an EE who has been in the field for 28 years, he thought it was clever and useful. You think what you like, put it down, don't use it. Go right ahead. I'll trust the word of someone with a lifetime more experience."

Dude, do you know what power supplys looked like 28 years ago, of course it was neat.

2/9/2006 10:29:39 PM

the size is impressive that's about it...

personally the m1-atx and m2-atx, and opus are the only one's worth buying imho for the price you get a regulated output, intelligent shutdown (one of 8 modes), has integrated blade fuse just in case. by the time you bought the picoPSU and other parts to regulate the source and for smart shutdown it far exceeds the cost of the pico.

see this also:
http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/40_63/products_id/228

really the regulator and smart shutdown features are what add to the overall size, remove those and most could probably provide a psu close to being so small

i think both of you are right... yes, it's not that GREAT, but it serves the purpose it was designed for...

[Edited on February 9, 2006 at 10:46 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2006 10:45:11 PM