Wow. Look out Firefox.

2/1/2006 8:10:18 AM

looks like firefox for me, teh windows is illegal!!1111111

2/1/2006 8:17:38 AM

here's the download from MS - http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/default.mspx

I have a Mac at home and don't have admin rights on my work PC, so no beta for me I suppose

.... or just go here to avoid that hideous splash screen
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/ie7betaredirect.mspx

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 8:26 AM. Reason : .]

2/1/2006 8:25:09 AM

sooooo....did it stop sucking?

2/1/2006 9:04:16 AM

All I have to say is you have to determine that for yourself. While MS did not reinvent the wheel, they did take the wheel and made it better - Not a resource hog like FF, still faster than FF, looks 20x better than FF, unique features, eg, Quick tabs, when you open up multiple tabs you do not comprimise any screen space, etc etc. So yeah, they used ideas from other browsers, but what app, or basically anything, that you know of that has not used someone's idea? At least what ideas they used from other browsers they did a very good job of implementing them. As far as how good its security is, only time will tell.

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 9:27 AM. Reason : blah]

2/1/2006 9:25:02 AM

Also, in my opinion, it renders text much better then FF. Compare them side-by-side and you should see what I am talking about.

2/1/2006 9:29:41 AM

extensions?

i think not.

2/1/2006 9:38:12 AM

They are called add-ons in IE 7.

http://windowsmarketplace.com/content.aspx?ctId=63

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 9:44 AM. Reason : blah]

2/1/2006 9:39:11 AM

Quote :

"Not a resource hog like FF,"

i have one tab open and it's 85MB

Quote :

"looks 20x better than FF"

how do you figure?

i do like the new tab button though. even though i always use ctrl+t anyways

2/1/2006 9:40:15 AM

I like FF's 'Find on Page' better, since it activity looks up what you are typing.

2/1/2006 9:40:51 AM

FF takes up 120-140 mb with a few tabs open on my machine, IE7 only takes up 65mb with 2 tabs open.

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 9:42 AM. Reason : blah]

2/1/2006 9:41:57 AM

FF is using 19MB with two tabs for me right now. though usually it is around 50-60

2/1/2006 9:46:38 AM

^^ I've got about 10 tabs open and I'm at 100MB. I guess it depends on what sites are up on each tab.

It would be better to compare them with the same usage (number of tabs and browsing paths followed in each tab to get to the current page).

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 9:48 AM. Reason : ^^]

2/1/2006 9:48:18 AM

I don't understand this - I had them both open a while ago, and FF was using more RAM, but now IE is using more. Anyhow.

2/1/2006 9:49:11 AM

2/1/2006 10:03:02 AM

^Ha. If memory usage was the reason I switched to FF I guess I'd be switching back.

2/1/2006 10:14:40 AM

better than beta 1, but still far from what I was hoping. firefox remains the top browser from a developer's perspective.

ie css support still lacking. just give me opacity please.

microsoft who advocates server postbacks with asp.net still has the browser with the nastiest postback flicker. buggy hacks like iframe double buffering, etc should not be required to prevent a epileptic seizures.

2/1/2006 10:46:12 AM

Why is MS phasing out the menubar? It's gone in IE7, and it's gone in the new Office. I'm not so sure I like it

2/1/2006 10:59:54 AM

for real...

losing a menu bar is like losing an arm and a leg, or maybe just an arm

2/1/2006 11:14:17 AM

If you read the Office 12 Interface blog - http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/category/11716.aspx - you will find that "The Ribbon" is a replacement and much much more than the menu bar was. But in those screenshots of IE7, it looks like they just removed it without replacing it with other functionality, or is that what those buttons are down on the tab bar?

A terrible decision they made was in Media Player 10, I think it was, when they made the menu bar hidden by default, then all of a sudden it poped into view when you moused-outside to the top of the main viewer window. terrible, terrible functionality

2/1/2006 11:35:20 AM

Maybe I didn't give Office 12 enough of a chance, but I just couldn't seem to find what I was looking for with those big toolbars (ribbons?) at the top.

2/1/2006 11:35:25 AM

you can get the menu bar if you do alt+n (i think)

2/1/2006 11:45:29 AM

i can't get rid of the ugly tab bar
oh praise be to jebus. The just moved the disable tabs option from advanced options to general.

i can't get rid of the ugly msn search bar.

why the fuck couldn't they just let me put the interface back to the way it was before. I mean i could deal with everything being all ugly in regular mode, but when i switch to fullscreen i want it back the way it was.



[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

2/1/2006 11:48:50 AM

Don't forget that this browser is still in beta. I know from a developers standpoint FF is probably still on top, but practical users are really how these companies win browser wars.

Shaggy, about getting rid of the MSN search, go to 'Get Search Providers' select what you want, and set it as the default.

Is it possible to have active bookmarks in IE like in FF? I have yet to figure how to do it, or even if it is possible.

2/1/2006 11:57:13 AM

betas are typically complete from a feature perspective. companies are more likely to axe features than add them.

obviously users determine the success of any product, but it is irresponsible for a company like microsoft to continue as the lowest common denominator that will ultimately detract from the end user experience of users in all browsers. they had the time and the resources to revamp internet explorer, and they blew it.

2/1/2006 12:13:38 PM

FIREFOX TAKES 9 MINUTES TO LOAD

2/1/2006 12:13:51 PM

^^I agree totally with you. I still think FF has the edge on IE7, but still I am an IE fan. I am thankful for what they have did to make IE better, instead of dwelling in its shortcomings.

2/1/2006 12:16:30 PM

i dislike the icon

2/1/2006 12:26:40 PM

Woo Hoo! I have live bookmarks now.

2/1/2006 12:43:18 PM

I simply don't understand how people have loyalty to browsers and to mega corporations. unless you are part of the development effort or have some other sort of vested interest, just use whatever one works the best that day. this loyalty and disdain is what keeps inferior products hanging around so damn long (eg Netscape 4.shit)

2/1/2006 12:58:55 PM

Quote :

"Shaggy, about getting rid of the MSN search, go to 'Get Search Providers' select what you want, and set it as the default. "

no i want to get rid of that bar all together, not just change the search provider.


I sent them some feedback asking them to atleast allow us to go back to the old interface. I hope they listen.


ps. CrazyJ take note that the message board drop down still has an annoying scroll bar in IE7. pls to fix.

2/1/2006 12:59:52 PM

shaggy, i quick search in the REGISTRY and you'd see how to get rid of it...

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchScopes]

delete/add ones in there that you want.

2/1/2006 1:16:36 PM

I don't have loyalties...

IE7 is simply better than FF for one reason

its made by MS...

2/1/2006 1:17:09 PM

Quote :

"shaggy, i quick search in the REGISTRY and you'd see how to get rid of it... [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchScopes] delete/add ones in there that you want."

no no no

i dont want to change the search provider.

i want to remove the search bar from the browser. its an eyesore. Im not going to use it.

SearchScopes is the list of search providers (MSN,Google, etcetc) you can edit this list from within IE as Default noted.

But even removing the MSN default entry doesn't work. if you remove it in the registry it just recreates it on next start.

2/1/2006 1:28:37 PM

ahh damn, my bad.

that's still good info for ppl taht want to add their own though


dunno how to remove the bar, there's no reason to, takes up no space

2/1/2006 1:36:45 PM

it takes up tons of space.

and its ugly

and im never going to use it.

i want my old IE interface back.

and i mean for fucks sake.

You can already search from the address bar (which i disable as well), so why would you need another toolbar?

2/1/2006 1:40:09 PM

wait...

so crazyj is alive?

i thought that nigga died or something

2/1/2006 1:49:03 PM

the tabs are retarded.

Sometimes it opens a new link in a new tab... sometimes it opens another instance of IE.

At least in Avant EVERYTHING openned a new tab.

2/1/2006 1:54:45 PM

tools -> internet options -> general tab -> tab settings.

2/1/2006 1:56:41 PM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=337189

heh, my post when IE7 Beta 1 came out.

All the same complaints are still valid.

2/1/2006 2:18:44 PM

Shaggy

there aren't any options there that say "Don't open anymore fucking instances of IE - Contain all pages with Tabs"

Also, the search bar is awesome. Most effective use of space on the whole screen. What the fuck else do you want to put there? A longer goddamned address bar?

Please, smarter people than you worked on the GUI and decided that your ideas suck regarding this.


[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 2:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2006 2:32:14 PM

open new pop ups in a new tab.

the search bar is 100% useless

SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEARCH FROM THE FUCKING ADDRESS BAR SINCE IE4

2/1/2006 2:37:31 PM

I like the search bar. I know it is almost useless, but it doesn't bother me, and the space that it takes up cannot be used by anything else.

2/1/2006 2:55:16 PM

Quote :

"and the space that it takes up cannot be used by anything else. "

it could be used by other stuff if they let you move it around.

also, its just annoying to see it there.


if some people want it fine, but why the fuck isn't there a way for me to get rid of it?

2/1/2006 2:57:42 PM

with IE7, I think I like firefox better now than I do IE

2/1/2006 2:59:31 PM

About the Menu bar issue: I just installed IE on a XP machine that is running the Windows Vista Brio Pack, and the Menu bar is active by default.

2/1/2006 6:11:03 PM

firefox is now at 1.5.0.1

http://news.com.com/IE+7+bugs+abound/2100-1002_3-6034054.html?tag=st_lh

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 6:15 PM. Reason : http://www.security-protocols.com/poc/sp-x23.html]

2/1/2006 6:12:51 PM

supposed crash link doesn't crash my IE

2/1/2006 6:15:55 PM

Quote :

"Why is MS phasing out the menubar? It's gone in IE7, and it's gone in the new Office."

tools - toolbars - classic menu

Quote :

"A terrible decision they made was in Media Player 10, I think it was, when they made the menu bar hidden by default, then all of a sudden it poped into view when you moused-outside to the top of the main viewer window. terrible, terrible functionality"

yeah that is absolute shit, i'm sure i can go find a checkbox somewhere to turn it off but still

Quote :

"You can already search from the address bar (which i disable as well), so why would you need another toolbar?"

probably because toolbars are getting more and more important ($$$), and MS wants to keep people form installing google toolbar. just a guess but it makes sense.

Quote :

"it could be used by other stuff if they let you move it around."

agreed, i would like to place a toolbar to the direct right of the address box, but cant.



an interesting note is right after install of IE7, my default search provider was google. i guess they carry that setting over. i'm sure they wanted to revert to msn but probably figured they would get too much shit if they did

2/1/2006 7:09:00 PM

yea when i got WMP10 and it didn't have the menu i was like hey cool its all fancy looking

and then like 10 minutes later i was like ok great, give me my menu back.

All you have to do is click one button to lock the menu in place.

And thats really how it should be. The option for both ways should be there.

and i should be able to move my god damned toolbars around.

2/1/2006 7:22:00 PM