Rightfully claim the following:


I)Herb never learns from his mistakes.

i) Consistently blows big leads by shutting the offense down 10 minutes early

ii) Does not design competitve inbounds plays

iii) Throws his hands in the air for last second plays and jsut hopes things turn out alright


II) Let it be known that Evtimov is bad.

i) Point to his defense

ii) Point to his turnovers

iii) Point to his athleticism




Alright keep the list going.


It's hilarious to me that I'm a troll when 90% of you clowns were bashing Bennerman the last three years. It's okay to bash a black player (even if he's the best one on our team) but not okay to bash a white player. You backwards ass hicks are just annoying.

2/18/2006 5:47:38 PM

when is it not ok to bash a white player? what about stone, davis

1/10

2/18/2006 5:48:54 PM

Buckets

2/18/2006 5:49:03 PM

III Need a good PG

2/18/2006 5:50:15 PM

So I haven't kept up

But who is out there to hire if we fire Herb that will have us in a better situation within 5 years?


*** crickets ***

2/18/2006 5:51:12 PM

i think this thread is my fault

2/18/2006 5:51:23 PM

gg for finding racism in a colorless issue

2/18/2006 5:52:05 PM

^

2/18/2006 5:57:06 PM

Then explain yourselves for the defense of Evtimov, but constant bashing of Gavin Grant.

Defense of Brackman, but bashing of Simmons. Despite the fact that Brackman has sucked this year and Ced has been terrific.


Grant played very well against Carolina last year.


You know Grant isnt a smart cat. But he's a fucking player.


Evtimov is soemwhat smart. But he is not a fucking player.


When it comes down to it, I want a fucking player out there when we play Carolina.


I'm sick of losing to these guys because we run guys who arent fucking players up against them.

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"what about stone, davis"

Wait a minute, are you implying Stone isnt black?

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 5:59 PM. Reason : a]

2/18/2006 5:57:46 PM

Quote :

"when is it not ok to bash a white player? what about stone, davis 1/10"

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 6:00 PM. Reason : gfdshkf]

2/18/2006 5:59:49 PM

Quote :

"Despite the fact that Brackman has sucked this year and Ced has been terrific"

People have been saying Ced has sucked since the Duke game, which is pretty apparent. Stop being the typical rally and making half correct statements trying to prove a point.

2/18/2006 6:02:24 PM

well Brackman has sucked longer than that and he is given the benefit of the doubt.



Dont get me wrong, I like white players. Jeff Lebo, Chris Corchiani, Christian Laettner, Adam Morrison, JJ Redick.


You know, the ones who don't suck.


There were people at this very "University" five years ago defending even Archie Miller.

At that point you should just openly admit to being a racist. Why kid yourself?

2/18/2006 6:05:38 PM

Quote :

"Wait a minute, are you implying Stone isnt black?"

take a closer look

http://gopack.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/stone_marcus00.html

2/18/2006 6:05:55 PM

brack is never in the game long enough to make a fair comparison, i dont think he is in shape enough this year to play a full game like ced and his D is lacking compared to ced. that said, he usually provides a spark on O when he comes in.

as for grant/evtimov: evtimov scores, doesnt D and turns the ball over whereas, until the last few games, grant doesnt D, doesnt score and turns the ball over.

i have been one of the biggest critics of grant but i also have said exactly what you said that he is a baller he just isnt smart. the problem is, w/ sendek's offensive and defensive sets smarts can be more important than athleticism. they both do that stupid shit where they drive the lane only to get stuck and brick a layup, the diff is evtimov also can hit 3's.

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 6:09 PM. Reason : ^i know you didnt just post a picture to dispute his comment...wow]

2/18/2006 6:08:50 PM

Quote :

"gg for finding racism in a colorless issue"

2/18/2006 6:11:09 PM

gavin grant will not lead us to victory

definitely not against carolina

2/18/2006 6:12:42 PM

btw i think my dad is subconciously racist as a sports fan

he is always repping brack over ced

and i am always pushing for fells to get more pt whereas my dad wants to see mccauley

and of course he love's bird, and loves mcgwire but hates bonds

but oh well

2/18/2006 6:13:34 PM

Well if its not racism what in the hell is it????


How in gods name could you look at someone with a straight face and say "Evtimov is a critical member of the NC State men's basketball team"


Be serious for a second. I know its the wolf web, but for one second i want you to reach into your soul and even attempt to answer that question seriously.

2/18/2006 6:14:52 PM

you're an idiot

2/18/2006 6:15:33 PM

and besides

atsur is busted on as much as anybody on this board


and i know 90% of the users on this board know we rely on ced/cam/tony and not gavin/engin/ilian/brack

i think it is stupid to think grant is gonna be the one to get us over the hump against unc when the unc game was one of his worst games this year.

i think he is playing alot better lately but he still hasnt reached goto guy status in anyones mind.

at the end of the game, i want the ball in cam's hands every time.

2/18/2006 6:16:00 PM

evtimov's skill set is much more useful to our style of play than is grant's

that being said, evtimov sucks and i don't think we'll miss him much

this has nothing to do with race

you are a fucking moron

2/18/2006 6:17:02 PM

actually brack has asthma, that's why he doesn't play for longer periods of time

2/18/2006 6:18:48 PM

well, that, and the fact that he has sucked balls this year

2/18/2006 6:19:58 PM

I'm not defending evtimov in any way, but the glaring stupidity of Grant sometimes is just easier to point out than Evtimov's bad one on one defense. Its got nothing to do with race. It has to do with not being able to shoot, dribble, or pass vs. giving up a few baskets to someone bigger than you.

2/18/2006 6:24:09 PM

terrible thread Rallydurham......

Gavin is an Athlete, Evtimov isnt as flashy, but i can promise you that he was leaps and bounds ahead of Gavin in his second year.

The way our offense is set up, we need floor generals more than we need rim rattlers and ankle breakers.

Evtimov is by far the most important player on our team

Bennerman is the best player.

Bethel is quickly becoming the most consistent.

This thread is the lamest.

2/18/2006 6:28:05 PM

actually if you look at the stats brack is third on the team in points/minute played at 0.42, with only Cam and Ced in front of him

2/18/2006 6:28:52 PM

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"Evtimov is by far the most important player on our team"

woah woah woah

qualify that statement

we didn't skip a beat without him on the floor today

2/18/2006 6:29:30 PM

yea that is crazy

if cam is our best player, doesnt that most likely make him our mvp in most cases as well?

how many more games would we ahve lost w/out cam vs w/out evtimov?

its probably something like 4-5 to 0

i would even say tony and ced are more important than evtimov b/c they can perform on both ends of the court

2/18/2006 6:33:55 PM

yes.....we didnt skip a beat.

we blew a 25 point lead and held on to win by 6 against the second worst team in a fucking huge conference.

Evtimov is, like i said, a floor general.

he knows the game, and that is by far more important than being an athlete like Gavin, etc.

when we play quality opponents, Evtimov is usually the one that keeps out team calm and consistent.

2/18/2006 6:36:37 PM

we ahve done that every game this year


wait

did you just call evtimov a floor general?

2/18/2006 6:40:05 PM

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" when we play quality opponents, Evtimov is usually the one that keeps out team calm and consistent"

ya, like in the unc game where he made 2 critical bonehead late game turnovers.

awesome.

2/18/2006 6:43:32 PM

You are so full of shit.

So we didnt blow leads the last five years when Evtimov was on the court?


Give me a break.


Evtimov was a key component in the Maryland, Vanderbilt, and Wisconsin games.


I'd love to see Evtimov's +/- stats over the past five years but unfortunately they only keep those in the NBA.

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"he knows the game, and that is by far more important than being an athlete like Gavin"

Couldnt agree with you more... I think we should put some other basketball "minds" out there on the court. We should play Herb even, he probably knows the game really well. Who needs athletes anyway, after all the best chess players in the world arent athletes!

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 6:48 PM. Reason : a]

2/18/2006 6:47:03 PM

you know what he meant rally

stop trying to cover up the fact that you look like a fucking idiot for creating this thread

2/18/2006 6:54:27 PM

Quote :

"It's okay to bash a black player (even if he's the best one on our team) but not okay to bash a white player."

Wow.

What is the quote..."better to be thought dumb, then open your mouth and remove all doubt"??? It completely applies to this post.

2/18/2006 6:59:01 PM

Why does it apply to this post?

Bennerman got dogged on here for 3 years, despite being one of our best players.

Brackman has had hundreds of threads created about him despite the fact that he's a glorified role player.

Admit it, you love to suck off Will Roach, Ilian Evtimov, Archie MIller, etc but you dont wanna give Melvin, Bennerman, Grant, etc their due.

2/18/2006 7:05:11 PM

TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK GAVIN GRANT HAS DONE TO DESERVE ANY CREDIT

bennerman was inconsistent at best for three years, he's really only come on this year

brackman was a solid player last year, i haven't seen anyone slurping him this year, at least not like last year

and will roach?

he's the white dude who rides the bench for six years, every school has a will roach and every school loves him

you have further proven your idiocy

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 7:11 PM. Reason : ]

2/18/2006 7:07:45 PM

melvin always got credit

if bennerman was one of our best players for the last 3 yrs he sure didnt do much to show it.

grant has just recently gone from being a negative to being about even and evtimov has always been about even

2/18/2006 7:12:43 PM

Quote :

"Admit it, you love to suck off Will Roach, Ilian Evtimov, Archie MIller, etc but you dont wanna give Melvin, Bennerman, Grant, etc their due."

You're an idiot. Just as many people bitch about Evtimov and Atsur as they do about Simmons and Grant.

Hey DUMBASS...fucking NEWSFLASH...we have more black players than white players!!! So it only makes sense that we'll bitch more about black players than white players!!! And we'd probably bitch more about Brackman if he played more. He sucks so bad now that Herb barely keeps him in the game long enough to fuck up.

Here is to making rally happy:

1) Evtimov flops a lot. Evtimov gets abused by opposing teams big men. Evtimov makes dumb plays. Evtimov takes 30 ft threes 5 seconds into the shot clock.

2) Atsur is unathletic. Atsur gets abused by the opposing teams guards every game. Atsur drives the lane with no hope of getting a basket and turns the ball over. Atsur consistently fucks up in end of the game situations.

3) Brackman has been a huge disappointment following a "break-through" freshmen year. He really gives us zero production when he is out there with exception of the occasional three (like one every three games) and a strong put-back (he gets those like one every two games).

4) Ben McCauley missed a lay-up today.

5) Trevor Ferguson looks like Carrot-top (or Shaun White).

6) Werner and Horner are unathletic white guys who will be no better than Evtimov when they get here.

7) Rally is a fucking idiot for making this thread.

2/18/2006 7:20:47 PM

booya

2/18/2006 7:22:41 PM

^^good post

i like most of rally's threads/posts but this one is kinda stupid

2/18/2006 7:25:43 PM

there you go.... #1, #3 were all I needed to hear.


I know im awfully crotchety but I cant help it.

We've got a team with a good PG, good backcourt play, good frontcourt play... all the stars are aligned.


You give this team a real coach and people would be thinking Nat'l Championship contenders...

We are absolutely loaded and the country is wide open this year... I just dont understand what Herb is waiting for.

He has the keys but he refuses to drive.

I don't think there is a coach in America with a lower risk tolerance than Herb Sendek. It's like he's actually scared to succeed.

2/18/2006 7:27:20 PM

god damn, there you go again

scared to succeed? we've won 21 games and we're second in the ACC

what the fuck are you talking about?

a better coach?

who the fuck do you think built this program from the charred remains of the early 90's?

who took us to the sweet 16 last year?

"waiting"

what the fuck does that mean?

how is he suposed to win the national championship before the tournament starts?

sweet jesus you fucking suck at life

2/18/2006 7:31:12 PM

to be fair, your i, ii, and iii herb criticisms are my biggest criticisms of herb as well

but he is still a good coach

2/18/2006 7:33:51 PM

you know its funny the Wolfpack are 21-5, and we get people on here saying how bad we suck and how horrible Sendek is as a coach. Yes Evtimov can be a liability but he has hit some big shots for us in close games. He barks out orders on defense he may not have athletic ability like a Grant but he is smart helps out defensively he is no one on one defender but make no mistake we will miss his leadership.

to rallydurham he wants to see the Pack fail because he thinks we are going to magically get a top coach like Rick Barnes. Sendek may not get the NBA players but the NBA sucks. I swear we have the most pessimistic fan base ever.

2/18/2006 7:38:31 PM

^ it's just fashionable to bash one's school, that's all

2/18/2006 7:42:23 PM

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"I don't think there is a coach in America with a lower risk tolerance than Herb Sendek. It's like he's actually scared to succeed."

I've seen you make this statement a lot recently. And I can kind of see why you make it....it does seem like we play cautious at times, rather than with a killer instinct.

But I dont think that correlates with Sendek being scared to succeed. The team unfortunately seems to take on the personality of their coach. And although I've seen Sendek go on tirades and yell at the ref and get disappointed at the team...he's still more subdued than your average coach. When you have a coach like this, I think you need to have a few players on the team who will go off and get in the face of his teammates (like a Hodge, Reddick, etc). We don't have that.

Our team basically just takes care of business. I'm not saying that they don't have emotion...we just have a bunch of team players. We don't have that take charge guy. Fortunately enough, we've still managed to win most of these close games with a guy like that...and in some aspects its helped us a lot. I just think it would help to have a "take-charge" kind of guy when we're giving away a lead like we did tonight...because Herb really doesn't do that.

But I don't think you can make the statement that Herb is scared to succeed. If that was the case, he wouldn't have put up with the shit he's had to put up with in Raleigh the past 5 or 6 years and he would have left a long time ago. He wouldn't have basically broken down in tears after our loss against Vanderbilt a couple years ago (I was there and saw it).

Herb really wants to succeed here. I have my reservations about this year's team...but I'm still excited about their chances this year. And I think our future looks pretty good as of right now. Things change, but our program is in good shape. We've gotten to the point where scrambling for an NCAA bid is a bad regular season (no one was happy with our regular season last year).

2/18/2006 7:51:56 PM

Cupboard is full.

Its tough to imagine us putting together rosters that are much better than this one.

We're absolutely loaded.

We have great depth, we have critical positions like C and PG filled by good players, we've been relatively injury/sickness free....


What else do we need to go out there and mean business?

When are we going to start attacking?


Our record is great, no complaints there. But this "oh well" attitude is going to bite us in the ass.

Look what happened to those Dave Odom Wake Forest teams. Perennial underachievers because he never recognized that you cant just play "not to lose".


Look at UNC last year. They went balls out. Duke always goes balls out.

If we go balls out in the tournament and get beat by a good team, fine.

But it is sickening to play this "methodical" shit and just hope the other team doesnt have a good night.

We are one of the best shooting teams in the country. When you shoot 50% from threes, you should be nearly unbeatable. For some reason, we are still entirely beatable even when we shoot lights out.

2/18/2006 8:19:17 PM

we aren't "loaded"

we have our best team in years, full of guys who can contribute and play great within our offense

however, we're one big injury away from disaster

we go "balls out" as much as our offense will let us

and it works most of the time

i have a hard time believing we beat 21 teams because they were all having bad nights

we can't go "balls out" a la duke or unc, we don't have the personnel or the system to do such

we aren't gonna run up and down and score 90 points

we're gonna play our game, shoot lights out from behind the arc, make free throws, play decent defense, turn the ball over 15 times, and not get enough offensive boards

and we're gonna be a #2 seed in the ACC tournament, challenge duke in the championship game, and go far in march

and that's just dandy with me

herb's system works, he's not roy and he's not coach k

but i'd rather have smart players who know the game and will stay four years and improve

i don't want a bunch of thugs who are just stopping by on their way to the nba

2/18/2006 8:34:12 PM

Quote :

"Cupboard is full. Its tough to imagine us putting together rosters that are much better than this one. "

I'll have to respectfully disagree.

I do think we're pretty loaded...but our recruiting has steadily improved every year. I mean...we're losing Evtimov (top 150), Bennerman (top-75/top-100), and Bethel (top-100). We've got Simmons, Fells, Grant, Costner...all at least top-60 guys. Davis coming in is a top-50. We've got a 5-star point guard in Wright. We're on the list for more big time players in the 2007 class than we have ever been.

I'm usually a realist, slightly leaning towards being an optimist. But I think our string of NCAA appearances are really starting to help out. I'm not saying we're going to be better next year...we might take a dip (a small dip if that)...but I think we're going to be a consistent top 3-4 team in the ACC with the occasional run at a great year. Which I think is about all you can ask for. As much as I'd love to see it...I don't know if it's even possible to get on the Duke/UNC level for the simple fact that I don't think you can have 3 teams of that caliber within 20 miles of each other.

2/18/2006 8:35:12 PM

Okay in terms of pure talent you are right we could have some better rosters.

I'm just saying we are loaded.

We are deep, we are skilled, we are well-balanced.


There's absolutely no reason not to give it our best shot this season.


I don't know why he has the pull the reigns so tightly. Basketball isnt chess. You cant just sit on your hands and hope you make a few shots every game. Play the game.

2/18/2006 8:49:18 PM