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Deshman007
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So my apt complex says that they only allow 128MB/s TOTAL download with BT for the entire complex. If I change the port #s assigned to my client...how can they tell. It has to be true because the download speeds are HORRIBLE, but sometimes at random times they are a little better. Would they need some sort of packet sniffer?

2/21/2006 4:48:39 PM

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probably just block the usual ports

but you are a bastard for hogging bandwidth with bt

2/21/2006 4:51:05 PM

joe17669
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get time warner cable

128MB/s is also a lot of bandwidth

2/21/2006 4:58:10 PM

smoothcrim
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protocol block

2/21/2006 5:11:45 PM

LimpyNuts
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1. connect to a proxy (outside that network of course) on a non bittorrent port
2. ...
3. profit

[Edited on February 21, 2006 at 5:23 PM. Reason : ]

2/21/2006 5:23:32 PM

Deshman007
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"128MB/s is also a lot of bandwidth"


....sorry man i mean kB/s

...yeah it makes a difference

2/21/2006 5:25:19 PM

joe17669
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aha yea it makes quite a bit of difference

just change your ports, or use a traffic anonymizer like Tor

2/21/2006 5:41:10 PM

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I don't think that they can block BT protocol itself, but they are probably choking bandwidth on the standard 6881-6889 ports. Azurueus suggests on their homepage to use a port above 16,000 or so. I use ports up in the 50,000 range.

And, if it were TRULY possible to choke BT, I would expect that they would be doing it on campus and at UT....but I've seen DL speeds up to 800 KB/s on my system (I use BitComet) and upload speeds nearly as high.

Generally, the best times to check for a "maximum" speed seem to be between 3 and 7 am when internet traffic is really low. And, as I'm sure you're well aware, many factors could bring your speed down, such as:

1. High traffic
2. Low # of seeders
3. High number of leeches
4. Weak wireless signal (I ran tests to see if it made a difference...and I got under half of the DL speed as when I was hooked straight into the wall).
5. If you're using PeerGuardian2 (or other peerblocker), it could be that many of your seeds are blocked because some of the users are at universities, so YOU actually get less seeds than are available.

^Isn't Tor just like a proxy-based system? That would result in INCREDIBLY low speeds, right?
It would keep your browsing/download habits from being traced, but I don't think it would be effective to circumvent any sort of a protocol block in hopes of increased bandwidth.

2/21/2006 7:09:22 PM

Deshman007
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"just change your ports, or use a traffic anonymizer like Tor"


i have changed my ports all over the place. I will gie Tor a try.

thx for the help!

2/21/2006 7:09:40 PM

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Don't expect anything running through Tor to be fast

2/21/2006 7:57:37 PM

joe17669
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I've had good luck with Tor. I don't use it for downloading through Bittorrent, but I decided to give it a try just to see how it performed. I can max out my Comcast cable connection at about 850 to 900 KB/s... When I tried Tor, the speeds were tremendously slow at first, and then eventually made it's way up to about 250 KB/s which is a lot higher than I had ever expected.

2/21/2006 9:29:10 PM

dFshadow
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you CAN block BT traffic entirely with a linux firewall
http://www.lowth.com/rope/BlockingBittorrent

just to clear up some misinformation

2/22/2006 12:50:33 AM

smoothcrim
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pfsense ftw

2/22/2006 2:15:36 AM

jdchapma
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^^Whoa, didn't realize that. If it's that easy (or possible at all), then I wonder why nobody seems to be employing that method to choke it (at least, everywhere I've lived).

2/22/2006 1:28:17 PM

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^My guess is you're not configuring your router properly.

2/22/2006 1:33:17 PM

Deshman007
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jdchapma

thank you for the good info. They MUST be choking BT because i am connect to hundreds of ppl and still 2kb/s. When I download from a regular FTP, speed > 100kb/s. Tor did nothing for me so i uninstalled it. as for changing the ports, i have tried such a wide range isn't ridiculous. I also use BitComet...it can break through torrent passwords! I run on a 100/10 wired. My PC is downloading 24/7 because of the slow ass d/l speed. Granted I am download a 10 gig file...but this is nothing new. I will get it....eventually. Thx for the help.

2/22/2006 1:38:58 PM

joe17669
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"get time warner cable"

2/22/2006 1:42:16 PM

MiniMe_877
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have you tried downloading a legit torrent, such as one of the Legitimate linux torrents from Duke? (http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/)

I always think that my router or network is slow, but I doublecheck the speed against a reliable tracker like the Duke Linux torrent site, and it will completely saturate my network bandwidth. That just means that whatever tracker you're using to download sucks, and so do all the seeders/leechers.

2/22/2006 2:58:52 PM

Deshman007
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"That just means that whatever tracker you're using to download sucks, and so do all the seeders/leechers."


[NO]

and yes...the VERY first thing i d/led was Fedora Core 4. Slow as balls. I got it from a FTP and the speed was like 150kb/s. My intarw3b is through my apartment so Time Warner is not an option.

2/22/2006 3:17:57 PM

BobbyDigital
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Any Cisco router whose IOS supports NBAR can block/rate limit it as well.

2/22/2006 3:22:34 PM

Deshman007
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http://torrentfreak.com/canadian-isp-is-throttling-bittorrent-traffic/

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"The Canadian ISP “Rogers” has started to kill all bittorrent traffic on their network. Rogers uses a bit-shaping application to throttle the traffic that is generated by Bittorrent and other p2p applications.

They are still finetuning the bit-shaping application, and apparently they had some problems configuring it the right way. Last month they were even blocking podcasts and songs from the Itunes music store.

It’s ironic that the same ISP advertises with the slogan:

“for sharing large files and much more”

Well, there’s not much to share when they block all p2p traffic including the best protocol to share large files (bittorrent). You can can read more about this over here."


this must be what they are doing

[Edited on February 26, 2006 at 7:15 PM. Reason : /]

2/26/2006 7:15:17 PM

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