BIG LO♥E
Polygamy Loves Company

Series Premiere Sunday, March 10th, 2006 - 10:00pm
(following the Sopranos)

http://www.hbo.com/biglove/


[soapbox]
Polygamy: more than one husband or wife. (FMM, MFF, MFMF, etc.)
Polygyny: more than one wife. (MFF, MFFF, MFFFF, etc.)
Polyandry: more than one husband. (FMM, FMMM, FMMMM, etc.)
Polygamy does not equal Sin.
Polygyny does not equal Patriarchy.
Polyandry does not equal Martriarchy.

Just because some who practice polygamy are patriarchal religious nut-jobs, doesn't meant that polygamy itself is in any way intrinsically bad, unethical, immoral or wrong. (Ad Hominem) It should be legal for responsible consenting adults to form whatever kind of relationships they desire. Religions can like it or leave it, but government shouldn't have any say in the matter, whatsoever.

Traditionalists (Christians, mostly....) are threatened by polygamy, because if future generations practice it successfully and non-oppressively--achieving "social acceptance", the traditionalists will lose even more "moral ground." That's understandable, I mean, if traditionalists have been regarding certain acts as sin for thousands of years, and it turns out that they aren't sin, the traditionalists look pretty stupid for having been barking up the wrong tree for so long...They won't want to admit that they've been wrong....



I look forward to the show, as I have heard that it portrays polygamists as ordinary people with ordinary lives, not evil authoritarian monsters going to hell.


I really hope it makes it. (It's HBO, so it should....) The Book of Daniel didn't last, mostly because it was network TV. Religious groups have way too much power to censor. If they don't like it, they can change the fucking channel, damn.
[/soapbox]

3/10/2006 2:07:18 PM

Quote :

"Polygamy does not equal Sin. "

isnt sin defined by religion? maybe its not sin to you, but to some it is.

i think being intolerant to people's religious views is just as bad as the religious people who are intolerant to views that dont agree with their religion.

[Edited on March 10, 2006 at 2:34 PM. Reason : maybe this is more of a soapbox comment, rather then entertainment.]

3/10/2006 2:34:17 PM

Well, i don't know what religion you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure nothing in the Bible says anything against polygamy. And the old testament's full of it, for whatever that's worth.

3/10/2006 3:13:40 PM

ive never claimed to be a biblical scholar, but i did grow up catholic (i no longer practice), and polygamy is definately considered a sin in their eyes.

but anyways, i never said that the bible said it was wrong, i said that sin is defined by religion, not the government. clearly some religions view it as a sin.

[Edited on March 10, 2006 at 3:20 PM. Reason : df]

3/10/2006 3:19:58 PM

I'm not saying most Christians don't consider it a sin.

I'm saying there's no scriptural basis for it.

I am in agreement that some religions consider it a sin.

3/10/2006 3:22:00 PM

ok, thats my point.

3/10/2006 3:23:19 PM

Cool.

Wanna get married?

3/10/2006 3:24:01 PM

only if its polygamous (sic)

3/10/2006 3:25:55 PM

I read an article about this show. It sounds kind of interesting.
I'll wait for it to come out on DVD. Since I don't have cable.

3/10/2006 4:30:24 PM

two people can barely get along in this crazy, mixed up world


adding more people into the equation just makes it worse.

3/10/2006 4:39:43 PM

Quote :

"I'll wait for it to come out on DVD. Since I don't have cable."

Me too, although I'll try to catch the first one on Sunday.....

Quote :

"two people can barely get along in this crazy, mixed up world adding more people into the equation just makes it worse."

^Coming from a traditionalist....
That's kind'a like saying, "two business partners can barely get work done in this crazy, mixed up enterprise…….adding more partners into the equation just makes it worse."—not true, intuitively—(Although not the best example, admittedly....) I'm just saying—if two people can't handle it these days (%50+ divorce rates,) maybe more people is the solution—there shouldn't be any reason for consensual adults to not at least try.

That being said, I'm sure there are many more complications in "plural" marriage than in traditional marriage, but most of that comes from the fact that us Westerners don't know much about and don't have much experience with polygamy, except for the patriarchal nut-job variety. I believe there can be complete gender equity/equality in group marriages.


These issues are sure to make the show entertaining and groundbreaking, I hope…..




Anyone heard of some of the cast?
http://www.hbo.com/biglove/cast/index.html

3/11/2006 3:41:17 AM

Wow.......Tom Hanks is one of the Executive Producers.......




Set your DVR's!!





I only recognize four of these actors' (faces):

^
Bill Henrickson
played by Bill Paxton
Barbara Dutton Henrickson
played by Jeanne Tripplehorn
Nicolette Grant
played by Chloë Sevigny
Margene Heffman
played by Ginnifer Goodwin
Sarah Henrickson
played by Amanda Seyfried
Ben Henrickson
played by Douglas Smith
Tancy Henrickson
played by Jolean Wejbe
Roman Grant
played by Harry Dean Stanton
Adaleen Grant
played by Mary Kay Place
Rhonda Volmer
played by Daveigh Chase
Alby Grant
played by Matt Ross
Frank Harlow
played by Bruce Dern
Lois Henrickson
played by Grace Zabriskie
Joey Henrickson
played by Shawn Doyle
Wanda Henrickson
played by Melora Walters
Don Embry
played by Joel McKinnon Miller
Heather Tuttle
played by Tina Majorino


hehe......lots of Henricksons...

....one of them must be six degrees from Kevin Bacon.


[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 5:54 PM. Reason : ahaha...did I say March 10th? I meant March 12 ]

3/11/2006 5:30:36 PM

I recognize about 2/3 of them. Reviewer on NPR today says it really really pulls you in by the fourth episode or so.

3/11/2006 6:01:04 PM

The show was really good. I'm definitely looking forward to future episodes.

Although it wasn't very prominant, the score is being done by Mark Mothersbaugh. Kick ass.

3/13/2006 10:46:15 AM

the first episode was decent...i think as NPR suggests i'll be hooked by the next episode or so.

i have SO many questions though about mormons and polygamy now...not knowing much of anything about the two i think i need somewhat of a lesson on their take on religion in order to fully understand it.

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 10:53 AM. Reason : ]

3/13/2006 10:52:39 AM

The family isn't mormon. It looks like the town they came from was a super conservative mormon offshoot or something.

3/13/2006 10:59:37 AM

ahh...see, i have lots of questions! wikipedia says that the connection of polygamy and mormons is not uncommon, but the ones that left LDS back in 1890 when the leaders of LDS said that God told them polygamy was to be discontinued, are the ones that still practice polygamy. it's all coming clear now...

the ones that practice polygamy are

Quote :

"These groups include the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Kingston clan, the True & Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days and a few others."

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 11:13 AM. Reason : AHA!]

3/13/2006 11:11:22 AM

Yeah.

Also keep in mind that mormons are crazy.

3/13/2006 11:26:28 AM

I resent that comment!

We arent crazy, we just have a great deal of depth to our theological doctrine.

I dont have HBO, but I will be downloading the show because i think it will be pretty funny.


Heres my take on how this show came out....
So, you have all these mormon activist groups screaming all the time for more family values on tv and lobbying for better family shows and such, so HBO says... ok... we will shut you up... We will give you more family values than you ever thought we would....

And Voila!! Family Values in a polygamist setting. I think its quite the humorous backlash.

3/14/2006 9:08:35 AM

Who's the prophet guy the teenage girl is married to?

3/14/2006 1:16:10 PM

He appears to be the leader of the sect/town that Bill Paxton and his first two wives came from. He's Chloe Sevigny's character's father, as well. And he's got a fine-ass 14 year old wife.

Quote :

"I resent that comment! "

Ehe, sorry. I should have said that I think Mormonism is crazy. All the mormons I've known are super nice people. I don't know if that's better

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 1:25 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/14/2006 1:23:54 PM

i liked the first show
it took me a few minutes to get the relations of the characters

3/14/2006 1:26:33 PM

3/14/2006 1:45:30 PM

This one time in high school, my history teacher was talking about Joseph Smith having 34 wives.

And this girl said "Ew! What does he need 34 different holes for?"

And this guy said "It's more like 34 times three."

3/14/2006 3:38:26 PM

Episode 2:

"Viagra Blue"

3/19/2006 7:04:03 PM

so that was weird when nikki was in the bed with her father...he had his hat off like he was gonna do something
neighbors are getting suspicious too...

3/27/2006 10:13:55 AM

screw watching fox on sundays

with entourage
sopranos
and big love

thats 3 solid hours of tv

3/27/2006 10:18:44 AM

ikr...last night i got a message saying "new family guy!!" so i reply, "...new sopranos!!!"

3/27/2006 10:21:14 AM

my roommate just picked up a DVR a few days ago and recorded family guy as a trial run
so i can go back and hit that up

3/27/2006 10:26:22 AM

Quote :

"I mean, if traditionalists have been regarding certain acts as sin for thousands of years, and it turns out that they aren't sin, the traditionalists look pretty stupid for having been barking up the wrong tree for so long."

How does something turn out as not being a sin? Who decides, or when is it decided? It sounds like you are saying a sin ceases to become a sin when the majority of the public begins to accept the behavior and it becomes socially acceptable. In the context of religion I thought God decided what was and what wasn't sin. If you left it up to the people eventually nothing would be a sin.

3/27/2006 10:35:15 AM

Then all we'd be left with is the general will, a republic that decides what is criminal and actually detrimental to society. How could we possibly go on?

3/27/2006 10:48:29 AM

I thought Big Love was really good. I watched the first and second episodes and I have the third one DVRed (with the Sopranos). The first episode kind of creeped me out but then as you keep watching you get really sucked into the inner workings of polygamy. In the second episode where Bill Paxton's family has the other polygamous family over for dinner, the husband of the guest polygamous family confided to Bill Paxton that he wanted to take in another wife. And he added that his other wives were excited about it! The concept that these women are okay with sharing their husband is so strange to me. I also watched this documentary on A&E about polygamy in Utah and they documented the history of the Kingston family. The Kingston family is one of the largest polygamous families in all of Europe...and the richest (worth 150 mil). It got so bad that the one of the Kingstons married his own daugher, only 16 at the time, to his brother who already had 16 wives! That was one of the most extreme cases of polygamy

3/27/2006 10:50:02 AM

I don’t know much about modern Polygamy. The ancient Greeks, while mostly monogamous, believed that in the earlier “myth times” that polygamy was practiced in the more chieftain like hunter-gatherer society. Zeus and Hera are sometimes treated as the primary pair, but with Zeus having several minor wives. Wives quarrelling for ranks can make for interesting stories when they have god like poweres.

3/27/2006 10:53:45 AM

Quote :

"I should have said that I think Mormonism is crazy. All the mormons I've known are super nice people."

i know some seriously fucked up mormons. i wouldn't generalize all mormons, but there are some REALLY crazy ones

Quote :

"I'll wait for it to come out on DVD. Since I don't have cable."

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=big+love

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 11:03 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2006 10:57:08 AM

HBO's creators of Big Love said that they researched Big Love for over 2 years to try to make it as realistic as possible.

3/27/2006 11:03:07 AM

my theory is the oldest daughter is a lesbian!

4/2/2006 11:15:03 PM

i am thinking possibly

4/3/2006 12:24:09 AM

Can someone explain the whole Mormon polygamy belief with respect to the show? I think I'm a little lost... The Mormon Church officially denounced polygamy in the late 1800s, right? And that's when the FLDS started, which is what is practiced on the compound?

If Bill and his family broke away from the compound, do they still consider themselves to be part of the FLDS or just regular Mormons (or maybe Mormon fundamentalists)? And what about Bill's business partner? I think I remember him saying he had a different branch of faith than Bill, but yet still practiced polygamy.

Maybe I'm seeing things wrong here, but was just hoping someone could clear these things up for me

4/4/2006 5:00:15 PM

I'm really getting in to this show.

4/6/2006 10:41:03 PM

this show is awesome.

next episode called "The Affair"

[Edited on April 7, 2006 at 1:40 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2006 1:40:06 PM

shit is gonna hit the FAN next week!

4/18/2006 9:16:42 AM

Man, most guys can't handle one wife. I'd hate to have to handle three.

4/18/2006 10:22:07 AM

this is probably the worst show HBO has produced...

4/18/2006 10:26:39 AM

hiya scrump

4/18/2006 10:46:11 AM

i watch it


religously

4/18/2006 11:31:04 AM

look, nobody cares about bill paxton's slew of mediocre-looking, dull and poorly developed character wives unless they're sucking some hbo dick or can't get over the fact that a weekly drama can in fact contain cursing...

4/18/2006 12:22:24 PM

scrump is in a trolling mood today

4/18/2006 3:19:56 PM

yeah, I like the show. it's not sopranos, curb, or entourage, but it's good

4/18/2006 3:23:06 PM

ok roman's wives fighting bill was the funniest thing i've seen yet

5/1/2006 10:54:21 AM

I thought this weeks episode was the best yet. I actually didn't hate Niki for once!

5/16/2006 11:59:58 PM