You're a greedy fucking person for doing this to my family. I already had a cousin die at 13, then your grandfather committed suicide, and now you do it? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Now I have to go comfort my family. I don't fucking care about you, but what the fuck do I tell your wonderful family?

Fuck you.

3/11/2006 12:06:16 AM

Sorry man.

Most people who do that aren't exactly in a right state of mind, though. It can be really hard for some people to handle their shit.

3/11/2006 12:07:17 AM

I've known this guy since he was 12. His state of mind was perfectly fine; he just couldn't bring himself to change things.

3/11/2006 12:08:51 AM

damn, situation wasnt exactly clear there, but still.. that sucks

no matter how bad things get, you have to think about others, sorry you're having to deal with that shit

3/11/2006 12:12:12 AM

sorry George

3/11/2006 12:18:28 AM

Prayers and condolences.

I don't know if there is anything more upsetting than a suicide. Such a confusing situation to handle.

3/11/2006 12:27:15 AM

who is anyone to say a person should continue living if they don't want to?

3/11/2006 12:31:28 AM

i had 2 friends commit suicide in hs. sux0r.

3/11/2006 12:31:31 AM

I've calmed a bit. To anyone who is offended by my comments, I apologize. First stage of grief and all that.

To be clear, though,I really dont' care about the guy anyway. I never liked him. I am worried about my family, though.. Fuck.

3/11/2006 12:46:11 AM

Yeah, I've definitely gotten a lecture about how if you're going to off yourself, you have to do it in a way that nobody will know that you killed yourself. Good lecture.

3/11/2006 1:37:32 AM

Today at a mexican restaurant this guy had a mustache that was weird and like seperated then cam eback together

but for real, ive had about 3 or 4 friends that would always tell me that they wanted to die and kill themselves and what not, i never know what the fuck to say or do, and I didnt want to tell people their business, its a shitty situation (well moreso for them im sure) but im just glad it hasnt happened yet or id be one guilty feelin dude

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 2:00 AM. Reason : d]

3/11/2006 1:59:02 AM

People that think suiciders are greedy suck at life.

3/11/2006 5:54:32 AM

People who commit suicide are selfish. They're only thinking about themselves. I don't believe any depression is deep enough that you don't care about something. I've been depressed, I've had dark thoughts. I've had someone close think about suicide. It's completely selfish - not greedy, but indeed selfish. I guess it might not be if you have no one whatsoever around you that cares about you. But in situations like this and in my life, that's certainly not the case. There's therapy for that.

3/11/2006 8:29:43 AM

My grandmother had some friends at her church whose mother commited suicide. She did it on Mother's Day at their beach house. Ruined the holiday for ever, and they sold the beach house because they never wanted to go back.

3/11/2006 8:57:39 AM

Sorry to hear that man. I don't know of anyone personally who has committed suicide, but I always thought the act was a very selfish one.

3/11/2006 9:24:47 AM

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"I've known this guy since he was 12. His state of mind was perfectly fine; he just couldn't bring himself to change things."

um, people in a perfectly fine state of mind dont typically kill themselves

its horrible what happened and im not trying to say it was an ok thing to do, but you have no fucking idea what he was going through

3/11/2006 9:26:57 AM

I hate to say it, but that's the only reason I'm alive. There were a few times I badly wanted to die. But I couldn't do it to my family. I kept thinking of how much it would hurt them and I thought now matter how much pain I'm in, it's nothing to the dozen or more ppl I would hurt who love me.

But I'm pretty cool now and grateful for today, even if it is gonna be a shitty day.

3/11/2006 9:51:07 AM

people keep saying how selfish it is.


is it really? i mean when i was going through my times, it wasn't a selfish thing at all. i was fighting with the world and because i couldn't kill the world, then i would have to kill me. that was the only way for me to win, at the time. i didn't see myself as a selfish bastard, but as a rather selfless martyr that was going to die because that was his way of winning. "there you go, you sons of bitches, treat me like fucking dirt now." because the dead are forgotten, they don't go through scorn.

basically i couldn't handle failure, criticism, rejection, people picking on me. I still believed in God, but I honestly believed God hated me. i internalized it, thought the world had abandoned me, and really just went nuts for about a year. tried to kill myself about three times. well ok, only once did i try, but three times i was at the breaking point.


kinda funny story: when i did try, i was going to hang myself in my dorm room from the pipes that ran through bragaw. i used an electric guitar cord to do it. problem is, i didn't have the fancy cloth covered cord, no, i had the old fashioned rubber coated. so basically i stepped off the chair to my doom, and heard a snap, and fell straight on my ass. i laughed through the tears, smoked a cigarette, and never really ever tried suicide again.

at any rate i dropped out of college, came home for a long time, went back, met new friends and started a whole new life. basically completely and totally reinvented myself.


sorry to hear this guy never pulled back from the darkness of his problems

3/11/2006 10:11:58 AM

I've been told that ppl who REALLY want to commit suicide do it... they don't fuck around with pills or shit they put a gun to their head or jump off a bridge, I knew one guy that put two guns to his head and fired them sim. No one saw that coming, I also heard from an EMS guy a story about a girl that put a shotgun in her chin, all it did was blow her face off, she was stilll alive and concious for a long time, that's terrible.

3/11/2006 10:47:52 AM

^^ "trying to win" sounds selfish to me, but shrug. im sure people arent really in the mental state to be considering all the options and whatnot. hard to get past/outside yourself when you feel like that.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

3/11/2006 10:50:23 AM

^^^Wow. I'm glad you were able to rise above that. Chilling story.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 10:57 AM. Reason : ^]

3/11/2006 10:56:35 AM

Thanks, but it doesn't deserve kudos, it's living a day at a time just like everyone else does.

Sry, I initially thought you meant me.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 11:15 AM. Reason : oh snap.]

3/11/2006 11:04:50 AM

yea Axl, that's pretty selfish. I'm glad you got through it though

3/11/2006 11:08:08 AM

to repeat

Quote :

"I've calmed a bit. To anyone who is offended by my comments, I apologize. First stage of grief and all that."

I don't know what was in his head, so I can't judge. I'm angry at him, but I can't ever know why he did it, because i can't ever ask.

3/11/2006 11:17:04 AM

Well you too Beardawg61

I have respect for anyone who picks themselves up after being depressed/pushed to the point of considering suicide.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 11:23 AM. Reason : .]

3/11/2006 11:23:17 AM

In life, alot of times people tell us there are things you just CANT do:

Jump from a plane without a parachute, try to assassinate the president, climb the matterhorn without a harness....

It's not that you can't do these things, you just cant do them more than once. I beleive that everyone has a god given right to suicide. It seems logical to me that one's right to death should be equally important as their right to life. I like to think of my own death as a coin that I can spend to do any one of the above types of things, but I only get one coin. If I ever encounter something that is so important to me that I am willing to die for it, then I hope my fear doesnt cause me to hesitate to spend that coin. If the thrill of jumping off a cliff is exciting enough for me, or if blowing up an Israeli commuter bus is important enough to me, then by god that is what I am going to do and there isnt a soul on this earth who has the right to tell me otherwise.

That said, I think that choosing to die because you are depressed is chickenshit. I think that choosing to die to get back at somebody or make others feel guilty is a waste of a very valuable coin. But to die in a nursing home of kidney failure at age 90 is equally a waste because you could have used your death to accomplish something amazing.

Dont judge your friend as there may have been more to their decision than you are aware of. Everyone has secrets, and the decision to commit suicide isnt always stupid or irrational. You should give this person the benifit of the doubt. Just my opinion.

3/11/2006 11:59:22 AM

so being a suicide bomber and killing tons of innocent ppl is alright, but being depressed and wanting to rid the world of yourself is chickenshit. good call.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 12:21 PM. Reason : what happened to all of their coins.]

3/11/2006 12:21:28 PM

if i go out i'm taking ppl w/ me

3/11/2006 12:29:47 PM

I'm stepping out of this one. I've said what I had to say.

3/11/2006 12:45:06 PM

dirtygreek

please grow up

and find some respect for youself and others

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 2:38 PM. Reason : hjlk]

3/11/2006 2:32:55 PM

haha, ok, you should tell that to the guy who just made my family have to bury another young person

3/11/2006 2:45:19 PM

I think suicide can some times make sense as a rational decision for end of life/extreme pain options like with Oregon and Physician-Assisted Suicide in a way that is not selfish. I generally think decisions should be made rationally instead of emotionally. Although theres something to be said for emotional decisions like spending way too much on an anniversary gift. But I would imagine many suicidal people aren’t in the right minds, I don’t know if that changes the blame-worthiness of the situation.

3/11/2006 2:46:26 PM

Quote :

"or if blowing up an Israeli commuter bus is important enough to me"

Quote :

"It seems logical to me that one's right to death should be equally important as their right to life."

conflicting arguments

3/11/2006 2:58:41 PM

^^^ thanks for making my point, ass

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 3:36 PM. Reason : k]

3/11/2006 3:36:28 PM

sorry to hear that George

3/11/2006 5:30:35 PM

Quote :

"kinda funny story: when i did try, i was going to hang myself in my dorm room from the pipes that ran through bragaw. i used an electric guitar cord to do it. problem is, i didn't have the fancy cloth covered cord, no, i had the old fashioned rubber coated. so basically i stepped off the chair to my doom, and heard a snap, and fell straight on my ass. i laughed through the tears, smoked a cigarette, and never really ever tried suicide again."

This story should appear in some sort of media. I'm glad you didn't try and use the strings. That would have been too cliche.

3/11/2006 7:16:34 PM

ya Jorge

3/11/2006 7:17:05 PM

I wonder how many people have thought of/ tried suicide.

3/11/2006 7:36:18 PM

Just about everyone has at least thought of it.

3/11/2006 8:04:55 PM

Yeah there's a big difference in thinking and trying.

3/11/2006 8:07:46 PM

there is nothing wrong with suicide

and fuck all y'all bitching about other people being selfish

you are the selfish ones.

3/11/2006 8:49:25 PM

As of this thread I am divided on this issue.

However, to say that suicide is an act of selfishness? The only way it could be viewed as selfish is when taking into account only the grief caused to others by the suicide. Is their collective pain greater than the one who summoned the conviction to end their own life? We will never know what they were thinking or feeling with any certainty. Bear in mind also the tremendous will it most take to actually take your own life. For most it would be against their strongest instincts.

That said, the only thing that kept me from doing this very thing, in my darkest hour, was the guilt I already felt at doing this to my family, particularly my mother. I could not do it knowing that she may feel somehow responsible. This thought and feeling alone stayed my hand.

The people who consider and carry out suicide are perhaps not as weak as you think. To me the experience was like being stuck in a mental cycle. Every possible line of thought eventually led me to one conclusion: the futility of life, and, inevitably, death. It took stepping to the very brink of suicide, and subsequently other things I'm not proud of to leave that thinking behind.

Here's a fun fact: A long time ago Japan had to pass a law forbidding suicide because so many Samurai were killing themselves whenever they felt dishonored

3/11/2006 8:49:44 PM

Suicide is no joke.

I'm not sure if anti-depressants help or if enough are prescribed to the general public.

3/11/2006 8:54:52 PM

Quote :

"People who commit suicide are selfish. They're only thinking about themselves."

Fuck that. It's probably people like you condemning them for thinking about themselves that drove them to suicide in the first place.

3/11/2006 9:02:56 PM

We're all going to die anyway.

Some of us sooner, some of us later.

3/11/2006 9:40:15 PM

If you push any human to the breaking point, they'll claim their mother is a terrorist to save their own ass or stop their own suffering. And by breaking point I mean hardcore, tortuous, anguish.

It's the ultimate form of selfishness, but who gives a shit since EVERYONE will do it if pushed hard enough.

3/11/2006 10:48:49 PM

william wallace didnt

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 11:03 PM. Reason : s]

3/11/2006 11:03:14 PM

Quote :

"It's the ultimate form of selfishness, but who gives a shit since EVERYONE will do it if pushed hard enough."

I'm not sure of my stance on the first part, but the second part sure seems fesible.

3/11/2006 11:23:07 PM

Hey I've been there, thought about it but never carried through. I'm glad that I've stuck around, but I can definitely see how it seems like there is no light at the end of the tunnel sometimes. Don't be pissed at them, they didn't do it to piss you off, or anyone else for that matter.

3/12/2006 12:14:59 AM

set em up

3/12/2006 12:26:31 AM