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"ALEXANDRIA, Va. - An angry federal judge unexpectedly recessed the sentencing trial of confessed al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui on Monday to consider whether government violations of her rules against coaching witnesses should remove the death penalty as an option. The stunning development came at the opening of the fifth day of the trial after the government informed the judge and the defense over the weekend that a lawyer for the Federal Aviation Administration had coached four government FAA witnesses in violation of the rule set by U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema. The rule was that no witness should hear trial testimony in advance. "This is the second significant error by the government affecting the constitutional rights of the defendant and the criminal justice system in this country in the context of a death case," Brinkema told lawyers in the case outside the presence of the jury. Defense attorney Edward MacMahon moved to have the judge dismiss the death penalty as a possible outcome, saying "this is not going to be a fair trial." In the alternative, he said, at least she should excuse the government's FAA witnesses from the case. Prosecutor David Novak replied that removing the FAA witnesses would "exclude half the government's case." Novak suggested instead that the problem could be fixed by a vigorous cross-examination by the defense. But Brinkema said she would need time to study what to do. "In all the years I've been on the bench, I have never seen such an egregious violation of a rule on witnesses," she said."

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14086580.htm

3/13/2006 11:14:31 AM

If the prosecuters lose this case they will never work again. I can imagine the pressure is intense enough to cheat.

3/13/2006 1:06:16 PM

No death penalty for him.



[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 4:45 PM. Reason : [sketch]

3/13/2006 4:44:30 PM

attn: bush administration

please stop being a fucking failure at everything

3/13/2006 5:08:15 PM

I wasn't aware that lawyers for the Federal Aviation Administration are part of the bush administration.

3/13/2006 5:59:01 PM

well since the FAA falls under the executive branch of the government they are technically part of the bush administration

3/13/2006 6:08:02 PM

Wow, how dumb can you be?^^ The most high profile trial of the only terrorist connected with 911. There is a 100% chance that the administration has involved itself in the prosecution directly.

3/13/2006 6:40:23 PM

I just don't give into that feeling that tells me to make a kneejerk emotional reaction and blaming every problem within the federal government on the administration. Obviously you don't realize that there are a myriad of other possible reasons for a lawyer to fuck up during a high profile case.

On a side not, the Bush adminstration stole my cigarette lighter the last time that I went to the airport.

3/13/2006 10:17:23 PM

No, you just give in to abject stupidity and woeful ignorance, seeing as how the administration's direct involvement in this case is well documented since they caught this guy:

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60C13F63E550C738DDDA80994DA404482

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"The White House is weighing a proposal to abandon the Justice Department's prosecution of Zacarias Moussaoui in a federal court, remove him from the United States and place him before a military tribunal in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, administration officials say. "

My position is informed. YOUR position is knee jerk, hypocrite.

3/13/2006 10:25:06 PM

OMG! The DOJ works for the attorney general, and HE works for Bush? Get out of town!

Of course they are involved. If you want to make a point, find me anything saying that Gonzales told the lawyer to coach witnesses. Again, you obviously don't realize that there are a myriad of other possible reasons for a lawyer to fuck up during a high profile case.

At least you haven't resorted to namecalling yet.

3/13/2006 10:37:14 PM

Try to keep keep up, sweetie: The administration is responsible for the prosecution of this case regardless of whose fault this current fuckup is. If the prosecution fails, it's their fault for not ensuring that they had competent people handling their highest profile case in the war on terrorism.

Oh, I forgot, it's not the administration's fault if they put incompetent people in important positions.

Why don't you try to actually learn a single fact about their involvement in this case instead of basing your opinion on a knee jerk reaction, hypocrite?

3/13/2006 10:48:50 PM

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"If the prosecution fails, it's their fault for not ensuring that they had competent people handling their highest profile case in the war on terrorism."

Quote :

"A lawyer for the Transportation Security Administration, Carla Martin, e-mailed the transcripts, prosecutors told the judge in a letter. Three of the FAA witnesses are on the government's witness list, and four are on the defense witness list. Martin, who was admitted to the federal bar in 1990, was not a member of the prosecution team and is no longer the TSA liaison."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/13/moussaoui.trial/index.html

3/13/2006 10:56:06 PM

I'm surprised there hasn't been any outcry over this judicial activism. Who cares if the prosecution botched the case? Burn the witches!!1

3/13/2006 10:56:18 PM

^^ jesus christ. You do realize that just because she does not have the title of being on the prosecution team doesn't mean she didn't work on the case with the prosecution. Do you seriously think a title is going to prove something? It's not like she was some random lawyer who fired off emails to these people. She had been working with the prosecution team to build the case against the guy. She's even filed motions with the prosecuting team

I suppose in addition to her fuckups, you'll overlook the core prosecuting team's obvious disorganization in executing this case and their past history screwing up?

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 11:19 PM. Reason : sdfsdf]

3/13/2006 11:17:59 PM

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"She had been working with the prosecution team to build the case against the guy."

A liaison wouldn't be working to build a case with the prosecution. Do you even know what a liaison is?

Quote :

"Martin is not part of the government's trial team, but she is preparing prospective witnesses who are current or past employees of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). Last week, she sent the witnesses a flurry of e-mails containing tips and criticisms of the government's opening arguments, according to prosecutors who notified Brinkema of Martin's actions."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-13-moussaoui_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 11:27 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2006 11:24:52 PM

Quote :

"The White House is weighing a proposal to abandon the Justice Department's prosecution of Zacarias Moussaoui in a federal court, remove him from the United States and place him before a military tribunal in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, administration officials say."

WHAT

THE

FUCK?


You can't just fuck up somebody's real trial and then decide to just lock them up in gitmo awaiting a possible future fake trial, can you?

3/13/2006 11:31:08 PM

Quote :

"Do you seriously think a title is going to prove something?"

So because her title says "liason" that means she didn't work closely with the prosecution team? That's a real logical argument. My business card says "associate professional." Do you know what that means? Neither do I.

Why don't you, I don't know, look at the actual evidence about what she did? It's because you think your ignorance gives you an excuse to take your knee jerk position.

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" but she is preparing prospective witnesses who are current or past employees of the Federal Aviation Administration"

So she just decided one day that it was her job to work with witnesses? She didn't, I dont know, coordinate her work activities with the trial team? A lot of lawyers work closely with the prosecution team on this case. All of them are not going to be in courtroom.

It's complete non sequitur to think that title determines how closely someone was worked with the prosecution team or how intimately they are involved with the case.

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 11:36 PM. Reason : sdfsdf]

3/13/2006 11:31:08 PM

Quote :

"So because her title says "liason" that means she didn't work closely with the prosecution team?"

No, but thats what every article about it says. Try reading the one that I just posted.

Why don't you, I don't know, look at the actual evidence about what she did? It's because you think your ignorance gives you an excuse to take your knee jerk position.

Quote :

"My business card says "associate professional." Do you know what that means?"

Well, using your logic, it means that you are a part of the team building a case against Zacarias Moussaoui.

At this point I'm fairly convinced that you have some sort of learning disorder.

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 11:41 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2006 11:35:55 PM

^
I especially liked the part of that article where it talked about how much she was involved in the case. Let me quote if for you:



--
In other words, "I've got nothing, so I'll just lie"


[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 11:40 PM. Reason : 465]

3/13/2006 11:40:01 PM

^ So how do you know her level of involvement in the case? Oh, I know: "I've got nothing, so I'll just lie". Good thinking.

Guess you missed this:

Quote :

"Martin is not part of the government's trial team, but she is preparing prospective witnesses who are current or past employees of the Federal Aviation Administration."

between that and her title of liaison, it should be fairly obvious that, while involved, she is not a big part of the case. Do you know how many federal employees probably serve roles that are equal to hers?

Quote :

"I especially liked the part of that article where it talked about how much she was involved in the case."

Here you go:

Quote :

"Judge Brinkema described Ms. Martin's role as supervising the government aviation witnesses and coordinating their appearances."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/14/national/14moussaoui.html

Note that it doesn't say "She had been working with the prosecution team to build the case against the guy."

Quote :

"Why don't you try to actually learn a single fact about their involvement in this case instead of basing your opinion on a knee jerk reaction, hypocrite?"

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 11:53 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2006 11:44:48 PM

^
So your proof is
- title
- a quote that says nothing about her degree of involvement

Please go through college again and learn to make a valid logical argument.

She so unimportant, she will make motions along with the rest of the prosecution team but the hundreds of other lawyers working on the case are nowhere to be found on said motions? That's also why the prosecution team gave her the job or working directly with witnesses? That's not a "minor" job in the government's most important terror case.

A minor job is filling out paperwork. A major job is serving as a chief legal expert for a significant part of the government's case.

3/13/2006 11:56:40 PM

You don't see the hipocrisy on your part, do you? I've provided various news articles and a quote from the judge describing her role as a liaison who supervised the government aviation witnesses and coordinated their appearances.

You have provided nothing. Please go through college again and learn to make a valid logical argument.

How about you find me an article saying that she worked closely with the prosecution team and was appointed by the Bush administration?

3/14/2006 12:05:17 AM

Quote :

"was appointed by the Bush administration?"

Quote :

"The administration is responsible for the prosecution of this case regardless of whose fault this current fuckup is. If the prosecution fails, it's their fault for not ensuring that they had competent people handling their highest profile case in the war on terrorism."

I'll add that this is the same team that makes you sign a loyalty oath to see a bush speech, but they don't have stringent controls on who works their most important terror case and even works with witnesses? uh huh


Try to pick out a certain name among the prosecuters
http://files.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/moussaoui/usmouss61102pomot.pdf

In addition, you even post the quotes about how she prepared witnesses in THE MOST IMPORTANT 911 TRIAL EVER, and you conclude that that was a minor job? If the prosecutors held that same retarded belief, then that just implicates them for their incompetence -- for which they have a track record.

The administration has been screwing up this case at almost every step, but now they have no culpability? They've been sufficiently involved in the details of this case to be responsible for the continual string of mistakes committed in its prosecution.


VV no he's not

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 12:40 AM. Reason : sdfsdf]

3/14/2006 12:25:56 AM

Culpability? This administration? Repeat after me: "It's all Clinton's fault."

3/14/2006 12:28:07 AM

Quote :

"If the prosecuters lose this case they will never work again."

Keep in mind that Moussaoui is representing himself, which would only make things look worse.

3/14/2006 12:37:29 AM

What exactly is he being tried for?

It seems odd that someone who was in custody the day of the attacks can face the death penalty for those attacks.

3/14/2006 12:51:01 AM

That trial is over. This is the sentencing trial.

3/14/2006 1:04:33 AM

because all the planning for the event took place between the hours of midnight and 8:15 on 9/11

wtf do you think this is, an episode of 24?

jack bauer couldn't pull that shit off if he wanted to
and something tells me he wanted to

3/14/2006 2:17:02 AM

Quote :

"Try to pick out a certain name among the prosecuters"

Did you even read the link? Its a motion for a protective order prohibiting the disclosure of sensitive aviation security information. Its has nothing to do with the case against Moussaoui and it doesn't say anywhere that Carla Martin is a prosecutor.

Quote :

"In addition, you even post the quotes about how she prepared witnesses in THE MOST IMPORTANT 911 TRIAL EVER, and you conclude that that was a minor job?"

Yes, it is a minor role when compared to every other major player in THE MOST IMPORTANT 911 TRIAL EVER! She is not a part of the prosecution. She is there to work with witnesses from the FAA. She didn't prepare every witness, just a handful of government employees.

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"The administration has been screwing up this case at almost every step, but now they have no culpability?"

Sure they have culpability. However, Carla Martin is not a member of the adminstration. Nor does she represent the administration. Nor was she appointed by the adminstration.

Give it up, man.

3/14/2006 12:26:03 PM

You must be new to the soap box. Here, everything is the "administration's" (read, "Bush's") fault. Everything, no matter what it is. For example, Hurricane Katrina was the administration's fault. Bush went out to the Gulf of Mexico in a rowboat and with a hand fan, and whipped up a category 5 hurricane. To the wackjobs on this forum, everything is Bush's fault.

3/14/2006 4:12:05 PM

I mean, it's not like he took any responsibility for it or anything.

3/14/2006 4:14:40 PM

ruling: government may continue to seek death penalty against moussaoui.

3/14/2006 4:18:57 PM

Quote :

"BREAKING NEWS Judge rules government may continue to seek death penalty against Zacarias Moussaoui, but can't use key witnesses."

http://www.cnn.com/

^ motherfucker.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 4:19:45 PM

Quote :

"In addition, you even post the quotes about how she prepared witnesses in THE MOST IMPORTANT 911 TRIAL EVER, and you conclude that that was a minor job?"

Quote :

"Martin is one of many government attorneys who assisted prosecutors in preparing government witnesses and documents for the trial that began last week to decide only whether Moussaoui should be executed or spend the rest of his life in prison."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/16/carla.martin/index.html

minor job.

3/17/2006 3:24:05 AM