Record vs. UNC as Clemson head coach: 1-10

also Coach K beat Barnes THIS YEAR by 31 points

whats the worst Sendek has lost to K?

3/14/2006 3:19:50 PM

I'm with ^ this guy

3/14/2006 3:23:59 PM

like 40 if i remember right

3/14/2006 3:25:58 PM

Nice choice statistics there

Herb's stats vs UNC are similarly abysmal (Especially if you remove the fact that Sendek scored 80% of his UNC wins against Doherty). At least Barnes can take teams deep into the tournament.

3/14/2006 3:26:52 PM

yeah, just like he took texas deeper than nc state went last year

3/14/2006 3:28:45 PM

HIRE SPARTACUS

3/14/2006 3:29:21 PM

Barnes has had one final 4 at Texas, three Sweet 16s.

This is coming from a pretty weak conference, which leads to high seeding and thus easier early games. In addition, Texas has a natural recruiting advantage in the region thanks to all of the money their athletics program brings in.

What he did at Clemson was pretty impressive, but I'd say he has underperformed at UT...

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 3:31 PM. Reason : region]

3/14/2006 3:31:06 PM

how bad did Duke beat us THIS YEAR with THIS TEAM? what, like 10-12 points?

not damn 31

3/14/2006 3:36:55 PM

Where did Texas play Duke?

3/14/2006 3:37:40 PM

^meadowlands in NJ

3/14/2006 3:38:17 PM

Neutral site.

Texas did beat Nova, though.

3/14/2006 3:38:48 PM

and we played them in their house. they have the biggest home-court advantage in college basketball

3/14/2006 3:39:18 PM

So we lost by 12 at Cameron.

They lost by 31 at a neutral site?

3/14/2006 3:39:34 PM

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"meadowlands in NJ Neutral site."

except the meadowlands really arent a neutral site, thats like a home away form home

(i mean its in nj for christ sake)

3/14/2006 3:41:11 PM

yeah, whatever man

3/14/2006 3:41:46 PM

did you even watch the game? by far a pro-duke crowd, not the same atmosphere as cis but still not a true neutral site

3/14/2006 3:43:24 PM

doesnt matter

duke beat the shit out of texas

duke beat us somewhat respectably in cameron

IM JUST GIVING YOU DELUSIONAL BASTARDS A NEWSFLASH THAT RICK BARNES IS NOT THE MIKE DITKA OF COLLEGE BBALL COACHING

3/14/2006 3:45:09 PM

So you're saying had Texas played them in CIS it could have been more than 31?

3/14/2006 3:45:13 PM

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"not the same atmosphere as cis"

which is exactly the point

3/14/2006 3:45:27 PM

^^im just giving facts...its a fact that duke beat texas (aka K beat Rick Barnes) a helluva lot worse this year than K beat Herb

3/14/2006 3:46:28 PM

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"how bad did Duke beat us THIS YEAR with THIS TEAM? what, like 10-12 points? not damn 31"

And we lost to the last place team in the ACC....twice.... by nearly as much


This knee-bone-is-connected-to-the-hip-bone shit is ridiculous.

If that's the best you can do to claim Herb is a better coach than Barnes, give up now.

3/14/2006 3:47:37 PM

ok i guess you're right

barnes would come in and immediately sweep the shit out of unc and duke and lead us to a national title

3/14/2006 3:50:10 PM

yeah, didn't you get the memo?

3/14/2006 3:50:51 PM

No, no. You're right. Herb is the greatest coach ever and Rick Barnes couldn't carry his jock.

See how it works both ways?

3/14/2006 3:51:33 PM

no i see how it only works one way with you guys

barnes >>>>> * infinity >>>>>> sendek

3/14/2006 3:52:05 PM

There are some dumb ass people on these boards.

It's taken me this long to realize it.

Seriously... if you believe this shit, I feel sorry for you.

Holy shit, I'm speechless

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 3:53 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2006 3:52:22 PM

OK, so Texas had 2-3 bad games this year.

How many bad games have we had?

I am not a Herb hatter, but you can't use 1 game as a comparison.

3/14/2006 3:53:39 PM

uhh saying "rick barnes isn't necessarily better than herb" is not the same as "herb is the greatest ever"

3/14/2006 3:53:54 PM

^^is Herb Hatter related to Mad Hatter???

3/14/2006 3:54:44 PM

21 point loss to Oklahoma State for Texas this year...OSU finished 17-15 overall...I'm sure they're 50x better than 17-16 Wake Forest...great game Barnes

damn yall jock barnes more than you hate herb lol

3/14/2006 3:56:24 PM

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"I am not a Herb hatter, but you can't use 1 game as a comparison."

I'm not. Texas started off the season very weak, not playing much defense. I don't hold the Duke margin against Barnes, because they've gotten consistently better since then--as seen by the win over Nova at home.

However, I still feel like Barnes' overall record at Texas is not indicative of greatness. He's a good coach, yeah, but I don't think he's shown any indication of being "great" at this point.

3/14/2006 3:57:33 PM

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"uhh saying "rick barnes isn't necessarily better than herb" is not the same as "herb is the greatest ever""

On that same note, using Barnes record vs UNC doesn't prove a damn thing...and if you want to compare records lets go for it becuase Barnes has had much more success, much quicker and at least has his program on a national scene in half the time Herb has.

This isn't about thinking Barnes is better than Herb (which he is), it's about the dumbass logic and stupid bullshit spewed by certain psychotic "Herb is an angel and the best coach ever" crowd that plagues these boards. They are too busy blowing rays of sunshine up Herb's ass to think logically.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 3:59 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2006 3:58:04 PM

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"I don't hold the Duke margin against Barnes, because they've gotten consistently better since then he's not named Herb Sendek"

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"using Barnes record vs UNC doesn't prove a damn thing"

actually it proves that he has had less success against UNC than even the pitiful Herb Sendek

feel free to dismiss that stellar 1-10 record since it doesn't fit your argument

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"They are too busy blowing rays of sunshine up Herb's ass to think logically. "

as opposed to the people that ignore that:

A. our 21-5 start this season is the best start since our 1974 championship team year

B. THE GOAL OF A BASKETBALL SEASON IS TO MAKE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT

WE MADE THE FUCKING NCAA TOURNAMENT AND WE HAVENT LOST YET
[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:01 PM. Reason : -->

3/14/2006 3:59:14 PM

HIRE FERB!

3/14/2006 4:00:21 PM

^^Actually, I'm a Herb supporter.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:00 PM. Reason : ^]

3/14/2006 4:00:24 PM

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"actually it proves that he has had less success against UNC than even the pitiful Herb Sendek"

You are a fucking idiot.

Jesus Christ.

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"as opposed to the people that ignore that: A. our 21-5 start this season is the best start since our 1974 championship team year B. THE GOAL OF A BASKETBALL SEASON IS TO MAKE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT WE MADE THE FUCKING NCAA TOURNAMENT AND WE HAVENT LOST YET "

I could give a damn.

I'm laughing at Herb apologists logic.

Barnes has accomplished a shitload more than Herb Sendek. This has nothing to do with my feelings towards Herb.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:03 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2006 4:01:51 PM

So who actually thinks Rick Barnes would come here?


Dave Odom has always wanted to coach at NC State, but I don't see him taking a pay cut to come here.

3/14/2006 4:03:12 PM

^^^yeah i figured, i'm just posting consistent to typical TWW mindset

and its not like I'm like OMG HERB IS THE BEST COACH EVER

but some people just want him gone without thinking more than 5 seconds about:

a. what happens when he's gone to our system/players
b. who do we get to replace him that would come here
c. would we even be as good as we are now

everybody wants to shoot first and ask questions last

^^you're ignoring STATISTICS in place of RANDOM OBSCENITIES...you've said nothing with substance in this whole thread, you are the fucking idiot, as everyone already knows...herb haters and herb lovers alike know that you are a retard

3/14/2006 4:03:16 PM

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"Dave Odom has always wanted to coach at NC State, but I don't see him taking a pay cut to come here."

We've already got our Dave Odom. He's named Herb Sendek

3/14/2006 4:04:10 PM

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"On that same note, using Barnes record vs UNC doesn't prove a damn thing...and if you want to compare records lets go for it becuase Barnes has had much more success, much quicker and at least has his program on a national scene in half the time Herb has. "

you are right, but i don't think that rick barnes was left with so little to work with as sendek was. i think people sometimes forget (im not saying you, just in general) what the state of the program was when herb took over.

if message boards had been as popular as they are today then most people would have been saying if herb could just win 5 acc games i would be happy

3/14/2006 4:04:22 PM

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"Barnes has accomplished a shitload more than Herb Sendek"

like what? a shitload implies a lot so i'd love to hear this

3/14/2006 4:04:59 PM

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"you are right, but i don't think that rick barnes was left with so little to work with as sendek was. i think people sometimes forget (im not saying you, just in general) what the state of the program was when herb took over. "

Right.... he just took Clemson to a top 5 ranking in 3 years.... not to mention that the ACC was much much much stronger that year (With 5 different teams being ranked top 5 in the country that year, Clemson, Wake, Maryland, UNC, and Duke)

3/14/2006 4:05:43 PM

Quote :

"THE GOAL OF A BASKETBALL SEASON IS TO MAKE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT"

See, this lovely statement(made in all caps so we can see he's really really serious), is what the big difference between Herb's supporters and "haters" is. Herb's supporters see making the tournament as a goal of the season, whereas those who would do away with Herb would like us to be able to have the goal of winning the tournament being the goal of the season, with the tournament itself just being another(albeit far more exciting) part of the season.

"THE GOAL OF A BASKETBALL SEASON IS TO MAKE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT" is a very excellent all-caps statement for a Hofstra fan to make. For an NC State fan, maybe a goal of winning the whole thing(knowing full well that even when we just might do it, we just might not) should be examined.

Just throwing that out there.

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"if message boards had been as popular as they are today then most people would have been saying if herb could just win 5 acc games i would be happy"

I understand that completely. I do. I loved Herb as recently as 3 or 4 years ago.

I give Herb all the credit in the world from getting us where we were when I was a freshman(and even before then, but I was paying less attention then) to where we are now. I honestly think we've gone as far under this system as we're ever going to. We might sqeak into the sweet 16 sometime again in the next couple of years(not this year, though), but if we're looking to improve upon our spot rather than hover, it's time for some changes.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:11 PM. Reason : more]

3/14/2006 4:06:47 PM

^^but he couldnt beat Carolina more than 1 out of 11 times

and apparently state fans dont give a shit if we go 30-3 if 2 of the losses are to carolina

^if you want a chance to win the tournament every year, become a Duke or UConn fan, cause those are the only programs that have a chance

or maybe you dont think MAKING the tournament is a prereq of winning it in the first place

3/14/2006 4:07:02 PM

Quote :

"like what? a shitload implies a lot so i'd love to hear this"

Lets see...

For starters. 3 Sweet 16's and a Final Four in 6 years.... took 3 different programs to top 10 rankings (Clemson and Texas to top 5).



Herb. OMF SWEET 16 !

3/14/2006 4:08:07 PM

Quote :

"Right.... he just took Clemson to a top 5 ranking in 3 years.... not to mention that the ACC was much much much stronger that year (With 5 different teams being ranked top 5 in the country that year, Clemson, Wake, Maryland, UNC, and Duke)"

clemson has always been a half decent program until now, of course there are years with exceptions

when herb got here, there was literally nothing good going on in the program

3/14/2006 4:08:48 PM

^^how many times did he beat UNC?

cause thats what state bball fans care about most

oh yeah, he beat them once in his life

OMFG WE BEAT UP ON BAYLOR AND NEBRASKA IN THE BASKETBALL POWERHOUSE BIG 12

3/14/2006 4:09:01 PM

^^^where is the other place that Barnes coached and took them to the top 10?

just curious

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:09 PM. Reason : ^]

3/14/2006 4:09:35 PM

Quote :

"So who actually thinks Rick Barnes would come here?"

Since he won't this thread is about as worthless as one comparing Coach K to Herb.

3/14/2006 4:10:32 PM

Providence

3/14/2006 4:11:02 PM