http://students.engr.ncsu.edu/acm-aitp/calendar.html

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" Date: Wed, March 22nd Location: Engineering Building II - Room 1025 Time: 6:00-8:00pm Topic: State of the Department Address for both CSC and ECE Details: This meeting will cover all issues presented with both the CSC and ECE departments. Open discussions about future classes, professors, and student concerns will be addressed. Food will be provided for this meeting. Presenter: Dr. Vouk, Dr. Trew Presenter Bio: All presenters are faculty and staff of both CSC and ECE departments."

See http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=309510 for reference on the last year's meeting. If you want an opportunity to speak directly with either department head, this would be it. Ask intelligent questions and you'll receive intelligent answers. Give constructive feedback on items/issues you think need to be addressed.

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3/16/2006 3:59:02 AM

There's now way I'd be able to go. Let me know what some of the more interesting points are.

3/16/2006 10:44:34 AM

i almost want to fly in on wed. just to go to this - why can't things just be on thursdays

3/16/2006 11:07:26 AM

there's some major bullshit going down in csc that I want to hear addressed, I just might make it to this.

3/16/2006 11:49:36 AM

smooth - if you think dr. vouk isn't going to dance around and feed the students something different than he feeds the people donating money / alumni then you have something else coming

he pushes the fact that students are basically shareholders/investors in ncsu due to they want their degree to mean something

he pushes we need more research b/c it brings in money to everyone else

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i actually believed him for a while too

3/16/2006 11:55:01 AM

^^Really, like what?

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 11:56 AM. Reason : ^^]

3/16/2006 11:55:55 AM

Read some of the SAB minutes from last year here if interseted:
http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/corporate_relations/pdfs/2005SABMinutes.pdf

Note the focus of the minutes ... mostly about numbers and the need to improve those numbers. Long-term goals don't always agree with short-term wants/needs. If there's something that should be happening NOW that is being pushed to the wayside for more long-term goals, you should probably bring it up.

3/16/2006 1:51:54 PM

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"In other news: ECE has voted to pull out of CSC 116, 216, 226, 316 and begin teaching their own versions. "

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3/16/2006 6:07:35 PM

It's a fact, jack. ECE 292B - C Programming will be offered this fall as a prototype.

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3/16/2006 7:53:28 PM

haha, the revolt against java.

3/16/2006 8:06:10 PM

^^ Yeah, I'm already aware of that.

That class replaced CSC 253, which wasn't a requirement for ECE's anyway.

3/16/2006 8:14:31 PM

Java was picked by a board who says "this is how all CSC classes should be taught in the nation"

its up to the school to follow it or not

3/16/2006 10:36:48 PM

did anyone else learn more about programming in high school than they did at ncsu?

3/17/2006 2:26:12 AM

What does the "B" on ECE 292B mean?

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3/17/2006 2:54:16 AM

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"did anyone else learn more about programming in high school than they did at ncsu?"

yes

3/17/2006 3:22:00 AM

^^ I don't really think it means anything

ECE 292 itself is called "Special Topics in Electrical Engineering". There's an ECE 292C, so I'm guessing there might be an ECE 292A as well

3/17/2006 7:36:30 AM

292 classes are special topics classes that haven't yet been formally approved and don't have an official course number.

3/17/2006 12:25:56 PM

bttt

3/20/2006 3:07:33 PM

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"did anyone else learn more about programming in high school than they did at ncsu"

hell fucking yes

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 3:12 PM. Reason : i <3 ncsu ]

3/20/2006 3:10:56 PM

my highschool java/c++ classes were better than college i'd say - i taught some of my friends 116

3/20/2006 4:59:50 PM

Dang yo ... all I had for a "qualified" AP Comp Sci instructor was a geometry instructor who had one semester of FORTRAN in college. I think we were the second group of students to enroll in the course.

3/20/2006 5:24:33 PM

in computer programming 1, we had a 60+ year old guy who barely comprehended the OO nature of C++, let alone teach it
in computer programming 2, we had the horticulture teacher.
we spent more time playing GTA than programming
and yet I still learned more in high school than i did at state.

3/20/2006 5:39:09 PM

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"Dang yo ... all I had for a "qualified" AP Comp Sci instructor was a geometry instructor who had one semester of FORTRAN in college. I think we were the second group of students to enroll in the course."

i've only had one semester of fortran in college, but i think i'd be fully qualified to teach ap comp sci. shit's easy yo. (once you learn one language, it's not too hard to pick up another)

3/20/2006 6:02:59 PM

http://www.saintx.com/academics/course_guide_2006_2007.pdf

i took courses 373 and 374 back in ~'99 - but the data structures course was taught in c++

did well on the ap exam but it didn't get me squat at ncsu

3/20/2006 6:09:40 PM

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"did anyone else learn more about programming in high school than they did at ncsu"

You guys are lucky. My high school had a computer... It was broken. They had a computer class. I remember that the copyright of the book was 1970 something.

3/21/2006 10:18:49 AM

Anybody go?

3/23/2006 6:44:50 AM

Yeah, 5 years of computer science and being able to take a 30 minute nap in the computer science AB AP exam, yeah i think i learned more. Enloe rocks.

3/23/2006 8:01:35 AM

Yeah, my computer science teacher in high school was a calculus teacher who was totally self-taught in C++

3/25/2006 12:27:01 PM

hahahah fuck my AP CompSci was in Pascal :beeatup:

3/25/2006 1:39:06 PM

Anyway frankly the whole concept of how to teach programming is completely fucked up.

There should be 2 or 3 choices for an introductory programming language that teaches you the syntax and structures of programming in that laguage while giving the user an idea of typical application

Then all higher level classes should be completely language independent. The focus of teaching the intricacies of a particular language are so detrimental because students focus on being a "Java developer" or a "C developer" or god-forbid a "web developer" rather than picking up good general programming practices, patterns, etc. I think that having language-independent courses will force students to look for the best solutions for problems on their own rather than having everything spoon-fed to them.

More focus needs to be spent on rapid prototyping, good design, inter-process communication, component-oriented design, and god forbid general problem solving. I'm sick of hiring interns who can't figure out how to solve simple problems or have to use J2SE and 116 to solve problems.

I'm a firm believer that a true developer should be completely language independent and any decent developer should be able to pick up any relatively modern language/framework very quickly.

3/25/2006 1:53:20 PM