Oblivion is finally out and it is the main reason I want a 360. Too bad after 4 months MS still hasn't gotten their shit together. Who knows when we'll be able to walk into a store and see a 360 there. I can only shop at Walmart or Sams Club because I want to use up my store credit. At first I didn't mind the shortage but now I'm getting really pissed. Just because of this, I hope Sony whoops their ass next-gen. Now Peter Moore has 2 fuck ups under his belt. Way to go.

3/20/2006 10:18:34 PM

1. it is their fault you can "only" shop at 2 stores?
2. what makes you think ps2 wont have stocking issues?

seriously though, i've heard of plenty of people walking in and getting them and have personally seen them at a variety of places (admittedly not walmart however).

3/20/2006 10:26:41 PM

Microsoft is already selling millions of units and games out the ass. I don't think they're concerned with a delayed ps3

3/20/2006 10:28:30 PM

i see you were on of the stubborn idiots at launch that refuse to buy one, and now you want to blow your brains out and is pissed at the world over it.

3/20/2006 10:29:14 PM

what?

who cares.


Buy it in a month.

3/20/2006 10:46:17 PM

^Thats what people have been saying for the past 3 months.

I see plently of core boxes, but no premiums, ever.

3/21/2006 5:18:52 AM

Ill sell mine if someone wants to pay me cost

Core system, but its got the 20gb hard drive, one wireless and one wired controller, PGR3 and Tiger Woods 2006

[Edited on March 21, 2006 at 5:26 AM. Reason : .]

3/21/2006 5:23:03 AM

pigkilla I got 11 systems at launch. yes 11 and I sold every single one of them for profit thinking I'd be able to buy one in December or January. Its fuckin March now and still a shortage. so basically stfu

3/21/2006 8:14:47 AM

thats makes you even more of an idiot because you did not keep at least 1 of them and you had 11... all in the name of short-term economic gain. what a fucking moron - who in thier right mind would have had 11 360s and not keep 1?? i will tell ya who, wolftheidiotpuppy04.

3/21/2006 8:26:34 AM

YOU LOSE

3/21/2006 9:30:38 AM

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3/21/2006 10:00:35 AM

this is an interesting thread

3/21/2006 10:14:34 AM

Quote :

"Since late last year when the first volley of Xbox 360s sold out near instantaneously we've been hearing the noise of Microsoft's wheels in motion to crank out more consoles. Well, today apparently they've "turned a major corner" as Peter Moore announced -- four to six weeks later -- that as of this week they're doubling to tripling their output to retailers. In other words, if you've been having a hard time getting your hands on a device (and are now especially disinclined to wait around until fall / winter for a PlayStation 3), this could be the week you have to call mom and ask for that loan after all."

http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/21/microsoft-announces-xbox-360-supply-surge/

3/21/2006 11:56:18 AM

I hit a bunch of places this morning and none of them had any 360s. I have been looking as often as possible for the last week with no luck. I really hope this story is accurate!

3/21/2006 12:20:41 PM

Quote :

"who in thier right mind would have had 11 360s and not keep 1?? "

exactly what i was thinking

3/21/2006 12:39:28 PM

again...fuck consoles for games like that...SERIOUSLY!

just get a good graphics card for your PC and it will look 10 times better. besides, your computer monitor is technically an HDTV and being a student, you more than likely dont have an HDTV

3/21/2006 1:43:23 PM

yeah, get if for your PC... much better for first person games anyway

3/21/2006 1:55:24 PM

how many tri-3.2ghz core machines with 24pipe video cards have you seen? dont get me wrong, I've grown out of console gaming myself, but the hardware argument doesn't really fly with xbox360

3/21/2006 2:51:35 PM

I think its funny that people think console gaming is something you grow out of

3/21/2006 2:54:05 PM

mature, well built games that give you adequate control are few and far between on a console, and when they are produced, they're usually brought from pc or ported to pc in a short time frame

3/21/2006 2:58:40 PM

as opposed to what? The massive diversity of Computer games?

Are you serious? Racing/MMORPG/FPS is the entire computer game market.

3/21/2006 3:37:20 PM

a healthy dose of both is the best policy, unless you're poor.

[Edited on March 21, 2006 at 3:58 PM. Reason : but yeah ur dumb, that 100-200 you probably made was worth the 3-4month hastle eh]

3/21/2006 3:57:57 PM

El Nacho will gay up this thread in 3....2....1....

3/21/2006 6:44:11 PM

Like seriously

Why would you even stress about buying an Xbox.

3/21/2006 6:54:28 PM

cuz when you cause the shortage it is all in the name of being smart/economical.

when the shortage is against you, you get all pissy. amazing.

3/21/2006 8:13:01 PM

Am I the only one who didn't have the time or money for such things in college?

[Edited on March 21, 2006 at 9:09 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2006 9:08:43 PM

i didnt go to class today, just played fight night round 3 all day...

3/21/2006 9:11:52 PM

Quote :

"El Nacho will gay up this thread in 3....2....1...."

Nope. I was too busy playing Oblivion.

But it's good to know that because I made you look like a moron in an earlier thread, you now have a hard-on for me.

3/22/2006 12:19:24 AM

Quote :

""Since late last year when the first volley of Xbox 360s sold out near instantaneously we've been hearing the noise of Microsoft's wheels in motion to crank out more consoles. Well, today apparently they've "turned a major corner" as Peter Moore announced -- four to six weeks later -- that as of this week they're doubling to tripling their output to retailers. In other words, if you've been having a hard time getting your hands on a device (and are now especially disinclined to wait around until fall / winter for a PlayStation 3), this could be the week you have to call mom and ask for that loan after all.""

Moore announced that in February.


And for those fags who think that the shortage is anybody's fault but MS is full of it. Nobody anticipated the shortage to last 4 months--thats my point. Major blunder by MS period.

3/22/2006 1:22:59 AM

I'll sell you mine for exact retail.

3/22/2006 3:33:43 AM

^^ you bought 11 of the damned things and didn't even keep one

the only person in this thread that needs to shut the fuck up is you

3/22/2006 8:56:13 AM

Not my problem that MS can't read a simple supply/demand graph.

3/22/2006 9:32:11 AM

Ever see that commercial (I think its a monster or career builder ad) where the guy is in the board room in a meeting with the board members as monkeys? He had the graph and was upside down trying to explain to the monkeys that they were losing money. Thats Microsoft for yah.

btw, if you bought an odd amount of xbox's, wouldn't you keep one? And since you sold all of them and had earned enough profit on ebay, why don't you build yourself a new computer?

3/22/2006 10:33:51 AM

Quote :

"^^^^well i got 11 systems on launch day so that allows me to be an asshole too? i sold a 360 on here for $150 profit in less than an hour and that was in mid december so your tww theory sucks balls"

-wolfpuppy04

3/22/2006 10:50:12 AM

If the 360 has such amazing hardware, how come its graphics are on par with today's high end pcs?

3/22/2006 11:09:45 AM

uh, cuz it just came out?

3/22/2006 11:49:44 AM

the hardware is there in the 360, its just the software developers have to step it up. remember how resident evil 4 take the world by storm with its graphics on the underrated gamecube?? just give it time, it is coming... while you pc gamers are busy spending 100s of dollars upgrading just to outdo a console, i am just sitting back waiting for the better graphical games to hit. that is not to say that the current 360 games do not have very high graphical quality - don't forget fps's and rpg's are really all computer gamers can look forward to.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 12:24 PM. Reason : asd]

3/22/2006 12:24:13 PM

aren't most first gen games sort of lackluster (to a degree) until the programmers learn the ins and outs? Lord knows some of those early ps2 and xbox games were hideous.

3/22/2006 12:30:39 PM

well the graphical leap between 1st and 2nd gen games on the 360 will be much greater than the leap in previous consoles because developers will not only start taking more advantage of the graphics chip/memory but also remember there are 3 core processors. I think even Gears of War-type graphics is just the tip of the iceburg.

Quote :

"^^ you bought 11 of the damned things and didn't even keep one"

Again I was going to keep at least one in the winter but figured what the hell might as well make a couple hundred dollars proft for each console. $200 free bucks was worth more to me than playing the launch games. I figured (like everyone else) that the shortage would be over in the new year and I'd be able to pick one up in time for Oblivion. You can call that greed or whatever you want but I thought it was a good decision at that time since I did profit a pretty penny.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2006 4:39:03 PM

Quote :

"there are 3 core processors."

And writing programs that actually take advantage of that is pretty damn hard. Oblivion barely does and they spent forever on that game and PLANNED from the beginning to have it running better on multi core pc's and systems (interview in pcgamer WAY back a few years ago.)

Unless microsoft releases a tool to help programmers and developers utilize the mutiple cores to their fullest by optimizing code, the "OMFG 3 CORES!" thing isn't going to be that huge of an advantage. I'm thinking something like the octopiler that IBM released because it realized programming to utilize 8 cells is even harder (read as more expensive, less conventional and just really not done much at all) than programming for 3 cores.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060225-6265.html

Something like that from microsoft for the x-box that actually helped would be a real boost to what games could do on the machine. I know they have dev kits that supposedly help developers optimize for the multiple cores, but from what's come out of bethesda and some other game studios it really doesn't help all that much.

And yeah, the ammount of time it took to release a tool like octopiler is one of the reasons few games will fully utilize the ps3 at launch either, maybe even less than some games are now utilizing the hardware of the xbox360.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 5:39 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2006 5:33:43 PM

Or maybe it will be like PS2, which was retarded hard to code for back when it was new, but in the long run programmers will learn to code for it because it's their job and years from now they'll be putting out stuff that makes you thing OMF HOW CAN A SHITTY XBOX 360 LOOK THAT NICE?!?

3/22/2006 5:39:00 PM

Well that was the whole concept behind XNA. Even if it ends up being not helpful, you have to give it to MS for taking the time and putting in an effort for helping devs.

3/22/2006 6:47:39 PM

does the 360 even have enough games out to justify a purchase?

3/22/2006 7:28:28 PM

they had like I think some 30 titles on launch day. Quite a bit of good titles too, unlike original xbox where you just had halo...

3/22/2006 7:37:14 PM

it doesnt have a ton, but the good ones are pretty nice. they've got a great mix too.

fps-
pd0, GRAW, cod2 are all good->great

rpg-
oblivion = awesome

fighting-
doa4 = awesome

sports-
couple were shitty, but Fight Night 3, NBA 2k6, and a couple others are pretty cool

racing-
pgr3, burnout revenge (if you didnt have it)

then there's plenty of short games or xbox arcade games that are worth a rent/try. so id say it is worth it.

3/22/2006 7:44:17 PM

Quote :

"Well that was the whole concept behind XNA. Even if it ends up being not helpful, you have to give it to MS for taking the time and putting in an effort for helping devs."

Granted, XNA is much more help than the first round of ps2 developers got.

3/22/2006 7:54:04 PM

As nice as DOA4 is, it's not really that much cooler than DOA3 to justify a 360.

It's kind of like a "well, I have a 360, so I might as well get it" purchase.

3/22/2006 8:06:56 PM

I like the boxing game they got on display at bestbuy.

3/22/2006 8:12:28 PM

will the volleyball edition be made for the 360?

3/22/2006 8:12:43 PM

i just people would stop this argument over which is better blah blah blah, because no matter what you are gonna get what you want no matter what anyone says. what is justified is what ever someone wants to spend their money on.

yeah, extreme volleyball is headed to the 360.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 8:15 PM. Reason : zsd]

3/22/2006 8:14:14 PM