http://arizonastate.scout.com/2/515571.html

4/1/2006 9:21:26 AM

if this does happen, I really doubt we are gonna be getting anyone better.

Herb haters might rue the day.............

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 9:29 AM. Reason : 7]

4/1/2006 9:25:07 AM

would be a bad move for herb. acc bball >>>>> pac 10 bball but i would want to get away from some of the stupid nc state fans as well...but i highly doubt he leaves

4/1/2006 9:29:40 AM

I'm hearing we'd have to double our current salary package to match watch ASU is offering him.

I'm also hearing that he probably doesn't take it....I guess we'll see.

4/1/2006 9:58:21 AM

It wouldn't be a bad move for Sendek.

We have some of the worst/delusional fans.

4/1/2006 10:08:42 AM

Quote :

"Herb Sendek, 41, has been the head coach at North Carolina State since 1996. In his first season, the Wolfpack went 17-15 and posted the program's first winning record in six years. That year they also made it to the ACC Tournament finals and gained a berth in the NIT. His recent years at Raleigh brought even more success. In the 2005-06 season the Wolfpack were victorious in eight of its final 11 games, and won 20-plus games (22-10, 10-6) for the third consecutive year and fourth time in five seasons. Furthermore, N.C. State made the NCAA Tournament in five consecutive seasons for only the second time in school history. N.C. State lost to Texas in the second round of the "

this right here pretty much sums up how underappreciated this man is:

second time in school history for five straight tourney appearances
winning record in his first season w/ what he had that year
acc tournament final in his second season
three straight 20 win seasons

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 10:14 AM. Reason : :]

4/1/2006 10:14:36 AM

I don't want him to leave...but I almost do just so I can witness the havoc that will become the NC State fanbase. It will be worse then when he was actually here.

- We don't hire a "big name" coach like a few crazy fans think we can. So former Herb supporters say "I told you so...now we're back to where we were when Herb got here...blah blah blah."

- Next seasons start and we lose a couple games, get the shit beaten out of us by UNC and Duke again...see above.

- Herb supporters say.."we should have kept Herb"...Herb detractors say "WE GAVE HERB 10 YEARS...GIVE THIS GUY A CHANCE!!!"


It will be hilarious. This fanbase will be divided until we win another national championship...with Herb or some other coach.

4/1/2006 10:17:15 AM

its funny that these school were all looking at various coaches and then they realize that they may have a chance with sendek, and they drop all of their other coaches and put all the resources to herb, it shows he might just be a good coach that we underappreciate

4/1/2006 10:19:48 AM

^^ My sense of it is that the 'Herb supporters' will also be lenient for other coaches as well. There is no point in being vindictive considering if we get a new coach it certainly isn't his fault that Herb was run off..

I just can't stand the idiots on here who think larry brown or rick pitino will come here...

4/1/2006 10:22:46 AM

i really like herb, but if there is a better name out there, and he would have to be a lot better cause herb has set some good roots, and improves every single year, then it would be logical to get them. But there isnt anyone out there that fits that description and would want to come here for sure. By theway herbs worst recruit this year just got named tri-state player of the year (nj,ny,conn) and also nj player of the year,Dan Werner.

4/1/2006 10:25:56 AM

Quote :

"My sense of it is that the 'Herb supporters' will also be lenient for other coaches as well."

no way man

herb supporters are loyal

the fanbase will completely switch around

the herb supporters will become the "_________ haters"

and the herb haters will become the "_________ supporters"


[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 10:30 AM. Reason : atleast this is how i would feel...a la Jay Davis/Marcus Stone ]

4/1/2006 10:28:46 AM

Meh, well I like Herb and I'm not going to be an annoying piece of shit if we get a new coach.. there just isn't any point..

Though I'll joke about it right now..

'Imagine if we had Bruce Pearl this year. Then he'd be wearing a red tie while analyzing the Final Four for ESPN!!!'

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 10:32 AM. Reason : f]

4/1/2006 10:31:50 AM

A link on the exact same page

http://arizonastate.scout.com/2/514286.html

4/1/2006 10:32:33 AM

More detail here:

http://arizonastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=529977

4/1/2006 10:33:26 AM

majarus was offerd the job and accepted but like usc they turned him down cause he is likekly to have a heart attack at the fisrt sign of stress

4/1/2006 10:35:04 AM

Quote :

"the herb supporters will become the "_________ haters" and the herb haters will become the "_________ supporters" "

4/1/2006 10:36:26 AM

Quote :

"this right here pretty much sums up how underappreciated this man is: second time in school history for five straight tourney appearances winning record in his first season w/ what he had that year acc tournament final in his second season three straight 20 win seasons"

So damn sad that people do not respect this man as a coach
and he's running a clean program to boot
God I hate State fans

4/1/2006 10:38:11 AM

Nobody anticipates us beating UNC next year anyway, they're loaded, we shoudl get duke though if they come here. Just like no one was too upset when we lost to UNC when they had 4 lottery picks.

4/1/2006 10:39:13 AM

This is an April Fools joke people. Let it rest.

4/1/2006 10:40:51 AM

^^^ Nobody cares that it's clean when we can't win what counts. Nobody cares about being #19 or something in the polls unless you're like George Washington.

The deal is NC State has too deep a history of being a powerhouse. We're tired of UNC and Duke stealing all the glory. On a level of 0-10, Roy & K are very close to a "10". Meanwhile, Herb is a solid "7".

"7" is fine for Arizona State. They'd LOVE that. But the problem here is that State fans want a "10" coach and won't stop complaining until we get one. Herb could stay here 'til he dies and won't even win a banner, though he'll get close & keep it clean. And for the money the alumni pours into this program (#4 most profitable b-ball program in America), we deserve more than a "7".

The problem is getting a "10" coach here. Stupid analogy I know, but I don't know how else to say it.

BTW, the link looks legit as can be.

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 10:43 AM. Reason : .]

4/1/2006 10:42:35 AM

Quote :

"Furthermore, N.C. State made the NCAA Tournament in five consecutive seasons for only the second time in school history."

oh yea, real POWERHOUSE

No the issue is State kids WANT DESPARATELY TO BE UNC OR DUKE and want the history to go with it but it simply isn't there.

4/1/2006 10:48:27 AM

Nobody cares about 5 straight seasons. What kind of banner do we get for that? Going 3 times, missing one, and then going 2 more times is basically the same thing.

If you were a student in '83 I bet you'd feel differently. We haven't had any luck in a long time, but it doesn't mean it never happened.

Yesterday on ESPN we got credit for being the 1st collegiate team to start "cutting the nets" when winning a big game, and we had the #1 most exciting final four game in HISTORY when we beat UCLA in '74 to end their huge winning streak.

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .]

4/1/2006 11:01:15 AM

David Glenn of the ACC Sports Journal said on his show that Herb has been offered the job.

Please Dear Lord in Heaven let it be true.

4/1/2006 11:31:06 AM

Quote :

"oh yea, real POWERHOUSE No the issue is State kids WANT DESPARATELY TO BE UNC OR DUKE and want the history to go with it but it simply isn't there."

I hate ignorant State fans. People who refuse to acknowledge State's history and who put down the program to stick up for a lame ass coach should be roundly ignored. I wish there was a stupidity filter on tdub.

I know you're a girl, so bear with me. State put the ACC on the map with Everett Case. State ended UCLA's consecutive streak of NCAA titles. State will forever be recognized for the dunk heard 'round the world back in '83.

A school with 2 national titles and 10 ACC titles isn't a chump program. State has a ton of history and tradition. State was a force in college basketball for 4 decades. There isn't any reason, given State's facilities, tradition, and fan support that State cannot return to being an elite program.

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 11:36 AM. Reason : State isn't a bitch program.]

4/1/2006 11:35:07 AM

I really feel sorry for a lot of you Herb supporters. I don't hold it against you, I just think you're too young to understand how things used to be so you just accept how things are now.

Look, Herb is a really nice guy. A really smart guy. He'd be the perfect coach somewhere else.

Lets keep a few things in mind as well. The tournament expanded to 64 teams in 1985. Shortly after, we went on probation and had a long span of years without making the tourney. My point is, its not that hard to make the NCAA tournament anymore. So when people say that NC State has only gone 5 consecutive times twice, its not really saying that much. Prior to '74 you had to win the ACC Championship to make the tourney. Tough to do that 5 times in a row. From '75 to about '80 you needed to be one of the top 2 teams in your conference. Since Herb has been at State, you could finish as low as 7th in the ACC some years and make the tourney. So please don't bring this argument up and say we have no history because of this. Thats just being ridiculous.

Here are some things we've lacked since bringing Herb in as a coach...

1) He's had 10 years to win an ACC Championship and failed. No coach has had more time at NC State without getting that done.

2) He's been to 5 straight NCAA Championships and can only show 1 Sweet 16 for that. 4 of the 5 years we've been one of the last teams in.

3) He has a terrible record against UNC, Duke, and Wake. Most years we haven't even been competitive. There is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for getting swept by the Heels this year. Herb has had 10 years to put together the talent necessary to win the rivarly game and he caught the Heels coming off a season where there entire squad either graduated or went to the NBA. Instead, we got crushed by the Heels at home. It was certainly one of the lower points of his career here. Some of you have the defeatist attitude when it comes to our rivals. Its really sad. Our prior coaches didn't have that attitude. Hell, Les Robinson was 5-7 against Dean. Valvano beat Dean out for some ACC Championships, Sloan whipped Dean for a 5 year span. Case owned the Heels. No one is saying we should beat Duke and UNC every year. But there should be years that we do, and they should be more frequent. And when we don't, we shouldn't get whipped by a team of freshman at home.

4) Our style of play. Herb's offense (call it the princeton, a variation of the Princeton, or Herb's own creation), but it is not effective. Sure we'll catch some teams by surprise when the 3's are falling, but when they are not, we tank. I want to watch NC State basketball and get excited about whats going on. I want to see what I saw in the first half of the Texas game where we were pushing tempo, and aggressive. I don't want to watch us hold the ball until the last second. I don't want to watch Ced pass from the top of the key until the clock hits under 10. I don't want to watch us throw up contested 3's with the clock under 5. I don't want to get a point guard committment every 11th year. He's had that long to bring one in and hasn't. The excuse, "interchangeable parts". Interchangeable parts does not work at the point guard position. You can't have guys that aren't good ball handlers bring the ball up. This was witnessed in the UNC game where they had Thomas and Frazier harass Bethel and Atsur EVERYTIME they brought the ball up court. As a result, they forced turnovers, and when they didn't, we wound up starting our offense 40 ft. from the basket with our guards back turned to the goal to protect the ball.

5) The Sendek collapse. I've never been more disappointed in an NC State team as I was this year's basketball team. The pieces were there. The experience was there. The bench was there. We had 2nd place locked up going into the latter part of the year. Then the team just collapsed. This is not the first time this has happened. State had a good chance of making the tourney with the Inge, Kelley, Thornton class. Those years we suffered similar collapses. Its a trademark of Herb-coached teams.

6) In game adjustments / Timeouts. Herb is stubborn about style of play. Every team in America pressed Wake this year with great results. Gray had all sorts of trouble. We didn't. Why? Because Herb said we aren't a pressing team. Basketball teams need to be able to adapt to other teams weaknesses. Instead, if our team didn't perform well, its b/c they didn't properly execute Herb's system. Fine. Blame still falls on Herb. Its his responsiblity to get his players to perform. Another trademark of Herb is poor execution out of timeouts...particularly end-game situations. This goes back to our NCAA tourney loss to Cal a few years ago. Josh Powell had been lighting it up. He was unstoppable. We get the ball, down 1 with 20 seconds left. We call timeout. End up heaving a desperation 3 as time expired. Never looked to Powell. Hodge called Herb out on it after the game. Has Herb improved? If the BC game is any indication, the answer is a resounding "No". We had 5 opportunites to take the last shot and failed each time. We ran the same play, the "desperation 3" play Herb usually runs. Only this time, everyone knew it was coming, including BC, and we never even hit the rim on most of those possessions. There are other examples out there too, including Cam's desperation 3 out of a timeout against Miami last year.

7) Herb's potential has been reached. The guy has reached his limit of greatness. He's in the ACC. He's at a school that supports basketball rabidly. He has the nicest facility in the ACC to play in. He has a brand new practice facility. He has all the $$ other ACC schools have to recruit with. All that said, if we keep him here, the best he's going to do is an NCAA Tournament participation ribbon. He'll never compete with any of the top dogs, he'll never win multiple ACC titles, and he'll never make a Final Four.

8) He just doesn't fit. Since he got here, Herb has never really been embraced nor has he embraced the NC State fanbase. There is fault on both sides. NC State fans have grown used to coaches with personality, flare, dreamers. Herb is non of these things. I've never heard Herb comment on any expectations for NC State basketball. All you get is the same bland, "take it day by day", "live in daytight compartments", "chop wood". We need coaches that dream of winning it all someday. We need coaches that impart that excitement in fans. Similar to what Amato did when he took over at State. After that Gator Bowl win, State fans thought the sky was the limit. Turns out that was the peak for the football program since Amato got here, but it was nice to feel excited about NC State athletics for a change.

I know most of you won't read through all of that, but if you read anything, understand this...

NC State needs a change. We need to feel excited about basketball again. We need to feel like we have a shot at greatness. We need to be competitive with UNC, Duke, and Wake again. We need a unified fanbase that will only come when we win a Championship, or knock off Carolina or Duke in a big game. Can you imagine what the response would be if we were to get someone like John Calipari. If he came in, added "midnight madness", set a goal for winning the National Championship, brought in a new offensive system that wasn't built on slow white guys? Some of you think a big name coach is a pipe dream. You may be right. But there are plenty of other coaches at smaller schools that over-achieve, can rally a fan base, and who dream of winning it all. Jimmy V was like that. There are others out there. I'm just sick of programs like Tennessee, Villanova, Seton Hall, Memphis, Ohio State, and others showing that committment and NC State ignoring it. We offer more than any of those schools but we settle for less. Its sad.

You, as students, should expect more.

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 11:37 AM. Reason : ASU 4 Herb]

4/1/2006 11:35:54 AM

I'm not a real herb supporter at all. But i don't want him to leave b/c I don't really think there are any big names that would want to come to our whiney fan base.



i wish i hadn't posted late b/c i can't compare to that^...he hit the nail right on the head

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

4/1/2006 11:40:57 AM

i used to get pissed when we lost games we shouldn't

now ive found that i've stopped caring

4/1/2006 11:51:01 AM

The funny thing is I can see this happening... Herb moves on, we hire a coach that the fanbase doesn't like and blames it all on Fowler before new coach ever coaches a game. Recycle.

4/1/2006 12:00:47 PM

Quote :

"I really feel sorry for a lot of you Herb supporters."

You are very lucky you threw that "lot" in there.

4/1/2006 12:01:01 PM

Quote :

"Lets keep a few things in mind as well. The tournament expanded to 64 teams in 1985. Shortly after, we went on probation and had a long span of years without making the tourney. My point is, its not that hard to make the NCAA tournament anymore. So when people say that NC State has only gone 5 consecutive times twice, its not really saying that much. Prior to '74 you had to win the ACC Championship to make the tourney. Tough to do that 5 times in a row. From '75 to about '80 you needed to be one of the top 2 teams in your conference. Since Herb has been at State, you could finish as low as 7th in the ACC some years and make the tourney. So please don't bring this argument up and say we have no history because of this. Thats just being ridiculous."

Exactly. Can college basketball-ignorant people quit bringing up the "second coach in school history to make 5 straight NCAA tournamentz!!!!!" You can't compare the accomplishment of making the tournament since expanding the field to 64 with before that. ACC championships are comparable, NCAA championships are somewhat comparable, but NCAA tournament appearances are not.

We have had 3 coaches in the "modern" NCAA tournament. 2 of them made 5 straight NCAAs and the third had his hands tied by the NCAAs and the university.

4/1/2006 12:07:16 PM

Quote :

"I don't hold it against you, I just think you're too young to understand how things used to be so you just accept how things are now."

Dude...you were three fucking years old last time we won a title. I was in my mother's womb...big fuckin deal.

I know we've had a couple great teams...I use to listen to my grandfather and great uncle talk about going to the championship games in '74 and '83. My listened to my dad staying up to the wee hours of the morning watching our amazing games in the '83 tourney. I know our fucking history.

That being said...it's not like we're a top 5 program history wise. But that doesn't mean I expect greatness either. I'm just realistic. The only way we compete with Duke or UNC RIGHT NOW...is to hire a big time coach. We can't hire a big time coach. Any coach we hire right now will keep us running in the same place or drop us a notch or two.

4/1/2006 12:10:10 PM

BTW...it's looking like he's leaving.

4/1/2006 12:11:07 PM

Quote :

"You, as students, should expect more."

i pretty much love college sports, but seriously, put things in perspective.


i hate the divided "fanbase". the worst thing about herb leaving could be "herb haters" trying to rub it in everybody else's faces, which will be wonderful. I support the program under herb, i will support the program under whoever is to follow.

4/1/2006 12:14:07 PM

What a great opportunity - seriously this would be best for everyone involved.

4/1/2006 12:27:28 PM

you people are retarded

4/1/2006 12:29:11 PM

they made an offer

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/515634.html

4/1/2006 12:30:02 PM

Just got this email:

Dear jrcalhou@ncsu.edu (wlfpck4life),

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/515634.html

According to sources close to the situation, Arizona State University has offered Herb Sendek the men's basketball coaching position.

The offer would be a substantial increase in pay for Sendek and is reported to be in excess of one million dollars annually.

Sendek has not yet accepted the Pac-10 school's offer, but a decision could come as early as today. He would replace Rob Evans, who was fired on March 10.

Arizona State fired Evans at the end of the 2005-2006 season. He spent eight seasons with the Sun Devils, compiling a 119-120 record.

ASU finished its season with a loss to Oregon State at the Pac-10 tournament in Los Angeles. The Sun Devils finished the year with a losing record of 11-17, and Evans' departure had been widely anticipated.

Other candidates for the position had been Pittsburgh head coach Jamie Dixon and ESPN commentator Rick Majerus. Dixon accepted a contract extension to remain at Pittsburgh and Majerus was interviewed by reportedly was never offered the position.

Herb Sendek, 43, has been the head coach at North Carolina State since 1996. In his first season, the Wolfpack went 17-15 and posted the program's first winning record in six years. That year they also made it to the ACC Tournament finals and gained a berth in the NIT. His recent years at Raleigh brought even more success. In the 2005-06 season the Wolfpack were victorious in eight of its final 11 games, and won 20-plus games (22-10, 10-6) for the third consecutive year and fourth time in five seasons. Furthermore, NC State made the NCAA Tournament in five consecutive seasons for only the second time in school history. NC State lost to Texas in the second round of the 2006 NCAA tournament, and reached the Sweet Sixteen the year before.

The Wolfpack finished second in the ACC in field-goal percentage defense (41.3) and second in free-throw percentage (.751). Sendek’s style of play has been described as deliberate, which hasn’t denied him success in the usually high scoring ACC. He was named ACC coach of the year in 2004. He is also known as an elite recruiter, who has landed many Top-20 classes.

Sendek’s college coaching career has been heavily intertwined with coaching great Rick Pitino. He joined Pitino's staff at Providence as an assistant coach between the years of 1987 and 1989, and went to the final four in his first year with the Friars. In 1993 he made it again to the Final Four, this time as Pitino's assistant at Kentucky, where he served from 1989-93. In his last two years at Lexington he was promoted to associate head coach. His first head coaching job, between 1993-96 was at Miami (Ohio), where the team made the post-season each of his three years, including the NCAA tournament in 1995 where they lost in the second round.

Sendek’s record in his ten seasons at N.C. State is 170-118 (.590), and he has an overall record of 232-144 (.617). His 170 career wins trail only Duke's Mike Krzyzewski (25 years) and Maryland's Gary Williams (16 years) among ACC current league coaches. His contract doesn't expire until after the 2010 season, but there seems to be some discontent from the Wolfpack’s faithful over his performance. While he reportedly is on solid ground with the school’s administration, the media in Raleigh believes that he has been shopping himself for vacant coaching positions since season’s end.

4/1/2006 12:30:45 PM

we are fucked

i hope you all know it

we

are

fucked

4/1/2006 12:31:43 PM

He has to make his decision by the end of the day.

And unless he changes his mind...it's looking like he's going to ASU. They are offering double his salary here.

4/1/2006 12:32:55 PM

Quote :

"His 170 career wins trail only Duke's Mike Krzyzewski (25 years) and Maryland's Gary Williams (16 years) among ACC current league coaches."

4/1/2006 12:33:44 PM

Quote :

"He has to make his decision by the end of the day."

where does it say that

4/1/2006 12:34:12 PM

From somebody I know. Don't question it.

4/1/2006 12:34:37 PM

i love these dudes with INSIDE INFORMATION

4/1/2006 12:35:24 PM

thought it was funny they issued an email about it, and they are basically declaring that he is already gone. Sounds like wishful thinking.

4/1/2006 12:35:42 PM

Oh dear lord sendek, don't go!

But seriously, who would pay attention to a bunch of students on a message board? It is all of the high rollers out there that are giving him crap.

entonces, I wont be given the herb haters on this board crap, because nobody paid attention to yall anyways.

BTW, you think he would finally get some support if he did turn this down? I would at least hope so

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 12:38 PM. Reason : f]

4/1/2006 12:36:11 PM

Quote :

"thought it was funny they issued an email about it, and they are basically declaring that he is already gone. Sounds like wishful thinking."

its not like the AD sent out an email

scout.com did

4/1/2006 12:37:06 PM

Quote :

"i love these dudes with INSIDE INFORMATION"

Find somewhere I've been wrong. My friend has direct contact with NC State coaches and big-time donors.

4/1/2006 12:37:30 PM

^^but still it is damn funny, people want his ass gone

4/1/2006 12:38:33 PM

and this is news to you?

4/1/2006 12:39:07 PM

I hope that lazy idiot Fowler has been compiling names for a coaching sort. Time to make an upgrade

4/1/2006 12:39:43 PM