forget women, those aren't real sports

my nomination: rafeal belliard

dude played 17 seasons and had a career line of .221/.270./.259

yes, his slugging percentage was 11 points lower than his on base percentage

he had a a career total of 2 HR and 142 HR, thats an of 20 RBI per year while he averaged 353 at bats per year

he was pathetic no matter how you slice it




[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 3:17 AM. Reason : ]

4/19/2006 3:16:04 AM

142 RBI


....Ryan Leaf?

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 3:20 AM. Reason : sdfg]

4/19/2006 3:19:02 AM

did he play for the braves?

4/19/2006 3:20:43 AM

honorable mention: levi watkins

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 3:21 AM. Reason : ^yes ]

4/19/2006 3:20:56 AM

umm someone that never made it to the pros would be a pretty good start.

4/19/2006 3:58:30 AM

fuck you man raf was hardcore

4/19/2006 4:23:30 AM

i spelled his name wrong

4/19/2006 4:46:26 AM

Even in my younger days I didn't really understand how there could be someone playing in the maojr league that had as little offense of Raf.

4/19/2006 7:56:54 AM

DAMN .221 WITH 2 CAREER HOMERS...THIS GUY HAD TO BE THE BEST FIELDER IN BASEBALL..

4/19/2006 9:17:29 AM

Ryan Leaf. Period. At least this guy lasted, and probably wasn't a top 5 pick. Ryan Leaf sucked, was insane, and devestated the Chargers for years.

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 9:21 AM. Reason : d]

4/19/2006 9:21:19 AM

Rafael was always a crowd favorite and he played some mean D. He wasn't the best fielding shortstop ever, but he rarely messed up.

But yeah, I still don't understand how he stayed in the starting lineup for so long on some above average teams.

4/19/2006 9:35:18 AM

he didnt stay in the starting lineup. he was pretty much a career backup. just goes to show you that if you can play defense, you will stay in the majors for a long time.

4/19/2006 9:39:51 AM

Ryan Leaf would fall into the bust category. I think the thread is about players who somehow managed to have a lengthy career yet they sucked. Danny Ferry would be my nomination.

4/19/2006 9:56:09 AM

Shawn Bradley

4/19/2006 10:00:15 AM

Quote :

"umm someone that never made it to the pros would be a pretty good start."

4/19/2006 10:57:37 AM

luke buffom,

he was a good guy, but ive never seen anyone so inept on the offensive end

4/19/2006 11:41:04 AM

Adam Kiker



i win

4/19/2006 11:51:18 AM

yeah, shawn bradley is a good one

4/19/2006 11:51:44 AM

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"Adam Kiker i win"

I can't believe it took that long to get Kiker's name on here. I also would have accepted Evtimov, Atsur, or Adam Fucking Harrington.

4/19/2006 12:08:53 PM

joey devine

4/19/2006 12:19:54 PM

anyone defending rafael belliard's ability at the plate should be suspended

4/19/2006 12:34:29 PM

i'm prob worse at baseball than belliard

just a guess

4/19/2006 12:39:06 PM

WORST PLAYER TO SUSTAIN A LONG PROFESSIONAL SPORTS CAREER

4/19/2006 12:41:40 PM

Dave Krieg

4/19/2006 12:41:57 PM

Minnie Mendoza, John Rocker

4/19/2006 12:51:33 PM

on the field, john rocker was the man from 1998-2000

4/19/2006 12:55:23 PM

scott elarton

ooh he's pitching at 2:05


[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 1:16 PM. Reason : on wgn]

4/19/2006 1:00:49 PM

Archie Miller

4/19/2006 1:12:23 PM

Trent Dilfer. Fuck a Super Bowl...that guy blew.

4/19/2006 1:15:15 PM

Belliard wasn't a power hitter, its like saying ichiro is no good b/c he doesn't hit 30 home runs a year (i'm not comparing the two or saying belliard is anywhere near ichiro, just an example)

he got on base 1/4 of the time (which isn't great, but its ok), and was fast as hell (great pinch runner), plus he was pretty good in the field. he found a niche and filled it, not every baseball player has to have a .300 average with 30 hr's and 100 rbi's to be valuable and usefull to a team.

Plus, when he was starting, he usually led off, which makes it harder to get rbi's. a more useful stat for him would be runs scored.

with that said, my vote goes to shawn bradley, his height is the only reason he steps foot on the floor, and he gets always gets owned by any decent big man.

4/19/2006 1:19:23 PM

Quote :

"Plus, when he was starting, he usually led off, which makes it harder to get rbi's. a more useful stat for him would be runs scored."

That's not true at all. He wasn't a leadoff hitter.

4/19/2006 1:32:06 PM

I loved Belliard. I looked at him as the team's good luck charm.

4/19/2006 1:34:13 PM

Ryan Leaf overhyped and sucked ass

4/19/2006 1:37:53 PM

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=bellira01

after looking at all of his career stats, he did suck pretty bad. the only thing that was remotely good is his fielding % which was alwayst above .900. I guess my memory of him is from too much of a braves homer perspective. I offically retract my lame attempt at defending him.....

4/19/2006 1:46:28 PM

http://baseball-reference.com/b/bellira01.shtml

His baserunning and fielding stats really aren't good either. Oh and the most runs Belliard ever scored in a season was 36 over 149 games... not good.

Quote :

"Belliard wasn't a power hitter, its like saying ichiro is no good b/c he doesn't hit 30 home runs a year (i'm not comparing the two or saying belliard is anywhere near ichiro, just an example)"

Wait... did you just justify a career .221 hitter with someone who just broke the major league record for hits in a season?

I'd have to say this is definitely the best combination of a long career and sucking at the same time... that ain't easy to accomplish.

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2006 1:50:24 PM

Herb

4/19/2006 1:51:12 PM

Quote :

"Minnie Mendoza"

*sigh* no

either Minnie Minoso (but probably not because he was a bad ass and got a base hit for the White Sox when he was 53)

or Mario Mendoza, after whom the Mendoza line is named

4/19/2006 1:51:37 PM

Quote :

"Wait... did you just justify a career .221 hitter with someone who just broke the major league record for hits in a season?"

no, i was just pointing out that when using slugging % and homeruns as a measuring stick, you can make alot of really good players look not so good.

4/19/2006 1:53:45 PM

Belliard was never a hitter. He was a defensive specialist, and you can't judge defense soley by fielding %. He never had more than 353 AB in a season, and he spent a lot of his career as a late-innings defensive sub. He could never hit. Never ever ever. Never

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 1:56 PM. Reason : Never]

4/19/2006 1:56:22 PM

its pretty stupid to use offensive production (esp per year) as the only metric for success in baseball.

4/19/2006 3:11:23 PM

yeah

but when its THAT bad

i mean no one plays with those numbers

4/19/2006 3:57:44 PM

Terry Kennedy

4/19/2006 6:46:17 PM

Dick Trickle

4/19/2006 7:02:00 PM

The Boz.

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 8:33 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2006 8:32:42 PM

Quote :

"Dick Trickle"

haha, i'm not a big nascar fan, but i'd have to go with jimmy spencer

4/19/2006 8:45:34 PM

joey devine

4/19/2006 8:46:47 PM

I can't remember his name... he didn't make the team though.

4/19/2006 9:43:54 PM

2nd honorable mention: beardawg

4/19/2006 9:47:40 PM

Quote :

"Dick Trickle"

That reminded me of Kyle Petty.
I could be wrong, but I don't think he has ever accomplished much at all.

4/19/2006 10:32:06 PM

4/19/2006 10:34:46 PM