other thread is dead

new trailer:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/ladyinthewater/trailer2/large.html

"does man deserve to be saved?"

gad

if anyone pays to see this, they should be shot

sixth sense was good and i am one of the few who liked unbreakable. but signs was mediocre at past and the village was the worst movie i have ever seen. after the village i dont htink i can go into one of his movies with a straight face anymore.

5/16/2006 11:59:44 AM

its a good thing m. night isn't relying on you for proceeds. i've enjoyed all his movies, so i might see this one.

5/16/2006 12:12:32 PM

If The Village was the worst movie you've ever seen, you need to see more movies.

Unbreakable was so bad it gave me cancer.

5/16/2006 12:14:47 PM

WHAT A TWIST

5/16/2006 12:15:12 PM

well it was top 5 for movies that attempt to be good movies

not mst3000 type movies

actually, impostor is prob #1, then the village.

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 12:16 PM. Reason : ^its written as "WHAT A TWEEST" you gotta get the pronunciation correct]

5/16/2006 12:15:59 PM

This is it. The twist will be that there is no twist! Everything is exactly as it seems! No one will see that coming!

(I liked Unbreakable and The Village. Signs blew.)

5/16/2006 12:17:12 PM

Sixth Sense was really the only one that even tried to have a big twist at the end. The fact that the rest of his movies have been judged by that isn't really his fault. The real surprise in Unbreakable was just the direction the plot ended up going. The "twist" at the end was a pretty minor plot point. Signs had nothing resembling a twist. The Village kind of had one, but you could see it coming for the entire movie, so I don't think it was meant to be shocking a la the Sixth Sense, more just confirming and expanding on what you already suspected.

Anyway, I liked all of them. They're really good movies if you take them for what they are and don't go in expecting some startling revelation at the end.

Lady in the Water looks pretty cool. It's kinda hard to pin down what it's going to be, since the tone of the new trailer is so different from the first one. I'll go see it though.

5/16/2006 12:37:38 PM

HAVE YOU READ THE FUCKING PLOT TO THIS

5/16/2006 12:42:35 PM

Quote :

"Sixth Sense was really the only one that even tried to have a big twist at the end."

Are you fucking kidding?

5/16/2006 12:45:01 PM

I don't know why he's pigeonholed himself into making the movies with a "twist". Signs would have been accepted as pretty much a Hitchcock style suspense movie if he hadn't done the thing with the water and never shown the aliens. What if Hitchcock decided to kill of his main character halfway through the movie for every movie he did after Psycho just because it worked there? It would have been stupid.

5/16/2006 12:50:17 PM

^^Nope. That was my take on it anyway. The others (except Signs) had their own twists, but Sixth Sense was the only one where it was really a defining feature of the film. It just seems like people are looking for a twist on the level fo Sixth Sense every time they see one of his movies. It's clearly not there, but I'd venture to say that that hasn't really been the intent of the filmmaker.

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 12:53 PM. Reason : ^^]

5/16/2006 12:52:38 PM

So you would say a movie about monsters in the 1800s in the woods

where it turns out that 1) there are no monsters, and 2) it isn't the 1800s

isn't defined by those twists?


I mean, aside from the whole metaphor for the Bush administration, there isn't anything else there.

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 12:54 PM. Reason : ]

5/16/2006 12:54:03 PM

THEY CALLED ME MR. GLASS

5/16/2006 12:56:00 PM

I would.

The Village created doubt from the beginning as to whether or not there were monsters. It wasn't a twist. They took you back and forth believing and disbelieving in them throughout the film. The 1800s thing wasn't that much of a twist because they alluded to it throughout the movie. But that might just be me because I guessed it before I even saw it. Still enjoyed it though.

5/16/2006 12:56:43 PM

IF YOU SEE A COMMERCIAL FOR A MOVIE AND IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO START GUESSING "TWISTS"

THAT MEANS THE DIRECTOR USES TOO MANY TWISTS


ONCE AGAIN I ASK

HAVE YOU READ THE PLOT TO THIS MOVIE

5/16/2006 12:59:12 PM

The reason why you, I, and half the literate people in the country guessed it before we saw it is because THERE HAD TO BE A TWIST. This has been said in jest, but seriously, the real fucking twist would have been if it really WAS the 1800s and there were some godddamn monsters.

If M. Night wants to shock 'n' awe people, he needs to make a movie that is 100% conventional without some retarded turn of events that everybody is looking for. Not some shit about an alien invasion thwarted by the fact that they're allergic to the most abundant substance on the planet.

5/16/2006 12:59:47 PM

yeah i am a fan of his movies, though 6th sense is my least favorite.

not sure about this one, ill see it but im not a fan of the topic like i was when i read about the others.

5/16/2006 1:00:57 PM

I guess I don't see the Village as much of a twist because the information was revealed gradually. There was definite ambiguity surrounding several issues, and the film gradually answered the questions. It wasn't really done in one moment that redefines your understanding of the film, as was the case in Sixth Sense. I guess that's what I'm looking for if you want to talk about a movie that depends on the twist.

I would still argue that Signs had no twist. It was a natural progression.

5/16/2006 1:05:41 PM

hell

by those standards

the sixth sense wasn't a twist

5/16/2006 1:13:58 PM

I guess it's an arbitrary distinction.

For me, the difference in Sixth Sense was that the viewer was never lead to question what he was seeing. Sure, when you find out at the end it all fits, but up until that point I was never even lead to consider that possibility. In the Village, it was pretty clear up front that something was going on. It was less about shocking you by presenting you with something you'd never even considered and more about creating uncertainty around a few central questions and leading you to waver between believing two possible explanations. I guess either one could be considered a twist, but it's a different kind of twist.

If you broaden the definition too much, damn near every movie made could be called a twist.

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 1:35 PM. Reason : typo]

5/16/2006 1:34:58 PM

Seth Green won this thread before it started

5/16/2006 2:02:17 PM

^^so if it was intended to be so clear, why was the movie marketed as a scary thriller when it was just supposed to be a parable? if we were supposed to know then all the stuff he did in that movie is worthless. why try to trick us if we are supposed to know?

this review and quote in particular sum up my views quite well:

Quote :

"I contend that great filmmaking rarely involves a scenario whereby the audience is kept in the dark. Instead, the most satisfying situations allow the audience to possess information unavailable to one, or even all of the characters. We are more likely to shrink with fear when we watch an unknowing hero walk into danger that has been established for our benefit, rather than jumping when he jumps. Simply put, if we know the outcome while he doesn't, we can build an emotional connection and hope for an alternative, even if we know that certain doom awaits. By manipulating us in the same way that the elders manipulate the children, Shyamalan is effectively treating us as children, believing that unless we have a hook, we won't follow him on his journey. Perhaps we wouldn't."

http://ruthlessreviews.com/movies/v/village.html

5/16/2006 3:04:30 PM

^^^ were you familiar with m. night as a director and his movies before the village? I was and I was expecting a twist. I agree that signs had no twists but it wasn't that good either. But I always, and will always expect it from him until i see different. With sixth sense i had no reason to not take it at face value, after that anything from him I was looking for clues, which could be why you, myself and many other people predicted the ending to the village. Being a shitty, predictable twist doesn't make it any less of a twist.

5/16/2006 4:33:06 PM

i'm pretty sure the marketing campaign had at least one branch that used his "SECRET ENDINGS!!!1" tradition

something like "don't give away the secret to the village" or soemthing like that

5/16/2006 4:43:29 PM

I always read his name as M. Night Shamalamadingdong.

And yes, his films are shite.

5/16/2006 4:45:03 PM

I can deal with The Village having a shitty twist/twists.

I can't deal with the fact that after we get the first shitty twist (OMG MONSTER COSTUMES IN THE FORBIDDEN BARN) he immediately follows with a monster scene that tries to play on fright instead of dramatic irony. IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

5/16/2006 4:52:20 PM

Writer: "So, M. Night...any ideas for this Unbreakable shit?"
M. Night: "Well...I was thinking when the train blows up at first, we show Sam Jackson all sinister looking. That way the audience will be able to follow along"
Writer: "You know...The Usual Suspects did really, really well at the box office."
M. Night: "WHAT A TWEEST!"

5/16/2006 4:55:58 PM

Finally a reason to hate Paul Giamatti!

Oh wait, he was in Planet of the Apes.

5/16/2006 6:21:08 PM

Bringing this thread back because theyve started showing the trailers

I have liked all his movies so far, might wait till this comes out on DVD to watch...
you cant go into every Night movie thinking it is going to be as good or like the 6th sense...

6/12/2006 7:57:22 AM

HAS ANYONE READ THE PLOT TO THIS

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY STUDIOS KEEP GIVING THIS GUY MONEY

HE SHOULD BE STUCK DOING AMERICAN EXPRESS COMMERCIALS

6/12/2006 9:26:47 AM

maybe you should examine the plots to your revered comic book movies

before you go bashing this guys movie plots

k

6/12/2006 3:29:18 PM

his movies usually have good endings

but sometimes they waste hours to get to the endings

6/12/2006 3:30:08 PM

even that american express commercial sucked arse

6/12/2006 4:28:52 PM

I really liked Signs and the 6th sense, unbreakable was ok, but the village sucked hard.

6/12/2006 4:31:48 PM

look lokken

this is for you


SPOILER ALERT

Quote :

"In "Lady in the Water," a story originally conceived by Shyamalan for his children, a modest building manager named Cleveland Heep (Paul Giamatti) rescues a mysterious young woman (Bryce Dallas Howard) from danger and discovers she is actually a narf, a character from a bedtime story who is trying to make the treacherous journey from our world back to hers. Cleveland and his fellow tenants start to realize that they are also characters in this bedtime story. As Cleveland falls deeper and deeper in love with the woman, he works together with the tenants to protect his new fragile friend from the deadly creatures that reside in this fable and are determined to prevent her from returning home."

omg the lady in the water is from a bedtime story

omg so is everyone else in the movie

omg this is so brilliant

omg omg omg





































end spoiler alert

6/12/2006 4:39:33 PM

i cant believe people are backing up The Village

6/12/2006 4:51:23 PM

if the village was the worst movie you've ever seen, you need to watch some more movies.

or perhaps not.

but you get the idea.

6/12/2006 6:03:39 PM

omg omg

there is this alien

who grew up on earth

and is super

and a super evil business man hates him

and uses green rock to weaken him

omg omg omg omg

if you seriously at all back comic book movies you cannot harp on any movie plot

k

6/12/2006 7:58:37 PM

what you just described is much more plot intensive than:


some people live in a village back in the day

there are monsters

oh wait the monsters are fake

oh wait no they arent

oh ok, yea they are

oh its not actually back in the day, it is now



or



hey i lost my wife i am sad i dont believe in god

hey i am a annoying little girl who cant finish my goddamn water

oh hey, aliens (maybe?)

yep, definitely aliens

oh hey little girls doesnt drink her water is cool b/c aliens cant handle liquid water

yay god

6/12/2006 10:12:36 PM

and i don't even back superman, k broseph

in fact i'm boycotting the film

6/12/2006 10:19:46 PM

i'm seeing that junk for keiser soze.

WROOOOOOONNNNGG!!!!!!

6/12/2006 10:20:18 PM

ps

is this guy not creative enough to find another improbable weakness?

bruce willis is invincible aside from water

and water is the solution to the aliens

and hell, this fucking movie is called lady in the WATER

[Edited on June 12, 2006 at 10:26 PM. Reason : h2o motherfucker]

6/12/2006 10:25:48 PM

SNAKES ON A LADY IN THE WATER

6/12/2006 11:13:00 PM

Quote :

"what you just described is much more plot intensive than:"

no, no its not

nice try though.

its ok not to back superman

the xmen movies arent any better

they are the same weak ass attempt at social commentary, except with nerdy shit that gets you going.

6/12/2006 11:19:44 PM

YEAH THE MUTANTS ARE REALLY HOMOS GUYS.

6/12/2006 11:20:36 PM

i mean

teh facts are that the action-packed, summer blockbuster type movies that you mention are not at all comparable to shamalalala's movies

that said, all of the x-men movies are way more enjoyable and than village or signs

6/12/2006 11:22:08 PM

what you're comparing is the use of (supposed) bad plots vs bad plot devices

the shit ain't apples to apples

6/13/2006 12:21:13 AM

My theory: all the people are mermaids, and all the mermaids are people. Bryce Dallas Howard is a man, Paul Giamatti is a dog, and M. Night Shyamalan is a bucket.

6/13/2006 12:55:50 AM

Quote :

"hey i am a annoying little girl who cant finish my goddamn water"

That was the best review of that movie I ever read... yay god lol

Quote :

"and M. Night Shyamalan is a bucket."

Well hes got to put himself in there somewhere

6/13/2006 8:55:31 AM

so hes mimicking his favorite director Alfred Hitchcock who also had bit cameos in the movies he directed.

6/13/2006 9:28:21 AM