I've heard rumors about this for some time, but it looks like Sony is going to go through with it.

http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?articleId=20060524153157765035§ionId=1006

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"High street games shops have been told by Sony that there will be no PS3 pre-owned sections in their stores as it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they've bought, retail sources have revealed to GamesRadar. It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property - meaning that the disc won't be the customer's to sell. "

It's like Sony is just trying to piss off the people that buy their systems. I went from being 99.9% sure I would get a PS3 to sitting squarely on the fence at this point. Quite honestly this may be the straw that breaks many camels' backs.

5/24/2006 9:05:45 PM

I don't do Playstation anyways, but this sounds like some bullshit.

5/24/2006 9:16:04 PM

Damn. As if Sony wasn't shooting themselves in the foot with a $600 price tag already.

5/24/2006 9:18:34 PM

Even though it doesn't explicitly have anything to do with this thread I felt like embedding this anti-PS3 propaganda in here.

5/24/2006 9:19:03 PM

Wow, if that's actually the case, I will not buy one of those consoles.

5/24/2006 10:01:36 PM

oh Sony, you so craaazy.

5/24/2006 10:04:49 PM

PC software has been this way for years. It's really no different, though it pisses me off none-the-less. I guess Sony is banking on their software being copied and sold.

5/24/2006 10:16:10 PM

^ what, i think you are mistaken. even EB has a used PC games section.

5/24/2006 10:20:41 PM

^^wtf are you thinking? PC games haven't been like this for years. Sure, its illegal to sell a game and keep a copy of the disc, however its certainly NOT illegal to sell a game and destroy any backups.

gg Sony

5/24/2006 10:23:54 PM

riiiiiiiiiiiiiidge racer. i cant stop laughing.

5/24/2006 10:26:21 PM

yyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeah. that sounds as about illegal as it could possibly be.

5/24/2006 10:31:10 PM

it sounds just about as illegal as installing spyware on your pc through a music CD.

...oh wait..

5/24/2006 10:33:37 PM

The didn't install spyware, they installed a rootkit.

5/24/2006 10:36:16 PM

I'm thinking oem microsoft software.

5/24/2006 10:36:19 PM

There goes my Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid and Tekken.

5/24/2006 10:38:43 PM

Looks like I'm sticking with Microsoft.

5/24/2006 10:49:06 PM

Evidently that shit doesn't fly in Europe, because you can buy all the OEM Windows CD's you want in the UK on Ebay.

5/24/2006 10:51:41 PM

their lineup looks better anyways.

5/24/2006 10:51:41 PM

wow...
i've wanted a PS3 for a long time...
but i might just break down, get a PS2 and a XBox 360... it'd cost about the same amount of money and i'd get to play all the games i want to play anyway...
jeebus sony...

5/24/2006 10:51:50 PM

I always wondered what it would take to make Microsoft look like a benevolent and generous corporation in the arena of anti-trust, copyright, and so forth.

5/24/2006 11:01:48 PM

That did it.

Fuck you Sony.

Good luck with your PS3, you just lost a potential buyer.

5/24/2006 11:20:24 PM

People are all stupid. What reason is there to get all bent out of shape about a console that doesn't exist yet? Just wait a while after it comes out. If it really sucks, you'll hear about it, and you won't buy it. If it's really awesome, you'll hear about it, and you'll buy the system for a lot cheaper than the release price.


Fuckin' tards.

5/24/2006 11:37:13 PM

Is this for real? That is about the most rediculous thing I've ever heard and some of you are acting like it's no big deal.

I wonder what happens when you try to sell PS3 games on eBay/Craigslist? Sony police come get you? I don't see how they can tell you that you don't own the disc and actually make good on what they're suggesting.

5/24/2006 11:47:49 PM

^^^ amen

5/25/2006 12:01:12 AM

just big middle finger the whole deal and sell it anyways

5/25/2006 12:05:50 AM

There's no fucking way.

I'm not buying that for one god damn second.

Furthermore, even if it were true, most of the google eyed, gotta-have-the-latest-worthless-junk crowd would still buy a ps3.

5/25/2006 12:09:16 AM

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"People are all stupid. What reason is there to get all bent out of shape about a console that doesn't exist yet? Just wait a while after it comes out. If it really sucks, you'll hear about it, and you won't buy it. If it's really awesome, you'll hear about it, and you'll buy the system for a lot cheaper than the release price. Fuckin' tards."

I really hate people like you.

Oh your hobby isn't the same as my hobby? Then you're stupid and I'm going to make fun of you on a message board.

5/25/2006 12:32:43 AM

playstation sucks anyway just get a 360

5/25/2006 12:38:17 AM

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"People are all stupid. What reason is there to get all bent out of shape about a console that doesn't exist yet?"

Refer to the first post of this thread.

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"Just wait a while after it comes out. If it really sucks, you'll hear about it, and you won't buy it. If it's really awesome, you'll hear about it, and you'll buy the system for a lot cheaper than the release price."

if by "a lot cheaper" you mean maybe $100 less, and by "a while" you mean 3 to 4 years.

5/25/2006 1:01:50 AM

since when has sony ever given a shit about it's customers?

5/25/2006 1:12:00 AM

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"PC software has been this way for years. It's really no different, though it pisses me off none-the-less. I guess Sony is banking on their software being copied and sold."

I do remember there have been some similar statements in the past. Wasn't there some suit where some industry claimed it was illegal for people to make backup copies of their purchases using this very logic? I wanna say the movie industry claims we don't own our movies, just the right to play them... but I'm not sure that was it.

Does anybody remember that stupid DVD technology from a few years back that required users to connect to a phone line whenever they wanted to watch their movie? The purchase price of the disc supposedly only included the right to a few viewings.

5/25/2006 1:27:15 AM

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"I wanna say the movie industry claims we don't own our movies, just the right to play them... but I'm not sure that was it."

IIRC, you own a license to view the movie on that medium, but do not own the movie itself. When you sell a DVD, you are essentially selling the license you have to view said movie.

5/25/2006 1:39:47 AM

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"There's no fucking way. I'm not buying that for one god damn second."

[Edited on May 25, 2006 at 1:59 AM. Reason : .]

5/25/2006 1:58:53 AM

wow

5/25/2006 4:09:25 AM

http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151016

There hasn't been an official response from Sony about this yet. Everything is based off that one website's story ... which doesn't even tell it's source. I'm going to wait until something official is announced before becoming a PS3 lover/hater.

5/25/2006 7:07:37 AM

assuming this story turns out to be true, i won't be buying a PS3... I've been looking forward to that console more than any other, and was even willing to drop $600 on it, but this licensing bullshit is personal. Don't fucking patronize me, Sony.

5/25/2006 7:49:55 AM

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" Sony would be making a radical shift in the retail approach, albeit one many companies would likely embrace;"

This is what everyone should really be worried about. I'd be worried that news like this this wouldn't dissuade enough people from buying a PS3. If they still experience success you can pretty much bank on this being the norm of the future.

If it did I would completely bail on video games. The only games I buy are the $12 2+ year old used games.

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"UPDATE: The Guardian's Gamesblog turned up a response from Sony Computer Entertainment Europe that should temporarily lay these concerns to rest: "I would like to clarify that this is false speculation and that PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console." "

If they really wanted to put it to rest they should have worded their statement a bit better. I can't imagine them going forward with this with all the bad press it's netting them.

http://lexluthor.ytmnd.com/

[Edited on May 25, 2006 at 8:48 AM. Reason : -]

5/25/2006 8:33:23 AM

I was in a pawn shop yesterday and I saw an Atari Jaguar on the shelf on sale for $250 and thought to myself "PS3 is on the fast track to this"

5/25/2006 8:52:55 AM

^^That quote doesnt negate the issue at all. It just means you can PLAY them on another machine. It says nothing about being able to SELL the games to others legally.

5/25/2006 9:16:49 AM

^That was my impression also.

5/25/2006 9:30:48 AM

The story was based on speculation. Sony has made no comment on this. The same rumors surfaced like 2 years ago and it never happened with PS2 games. I don't really care if everyone hates Sony, but why get worked up over speculation?

5/25/2006 9:37:21 AM

I'd imagine that if no one got worked up over the speculation then Sony would feel free to make it reality.

5/25/2006 9:45:30 AM

I just realized that if this is true that means that you won't be able to rent any PS3 games either.

5/25/2006 10:06:35 AM

and that would be crazy!

5/25/2006 10:32:39 AM

It will be crazy for Sony's profits, or I should say lack thereof.

5/25/2006 10:45:12 AM

it's like they're taking crazy pills!

5/25/2006 11:02:04 AM

People in japan would still buy PS3's if the games exploded after x hours of play.

And you have to think of it all from a business sense. If the customer is forced to only pay for new games, sony reaps profit from each sale, as opposed to that copy of GTA:SA that's been sold and resold 3-4 times and sony's only gotten profit once, while EB Games has profitted the rest..


It sucks from the customer's standpoint, sure. But if you put yourself in a money grubbing global company's shoes, it all comes together.



I'm too lazy to crunch the real numbers, but someone should calculate how many less games Sony could sell to maintain profits at the current level or push it higher.

I mean if sony sells a million new games a year with their current policy, and makes ~$50M

Total games sales (including used games) might be somewhere near 2 million, or $100M. (not all sony profit)

Now total sales of games will drop to, lets say, 1.25 million. 1) because some people prefer used games 2) people are turned off by the whole thing and dont buy the system.

Now the total number of games has dropped over 30%, but Sony is still making MORE money than they did.

But all these are just numbers from the top of my head, to illustrate a point. I'm aware that sony doesnt make $50 profit on each game, they're just numbers. Someone should come up with the real ones to help the prediction, and find out if what I propose will happen is possible.

5/25/2006 11:15:33 AM

and...backtrack.

5/25/2006 11:23:18 AM

lol.

So it's all false. Doesn't completely surprise me since this kind of fear has gone on a long time.


I'm still curious about my little math problem though.

5/25/2006 11:28:23 AM

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"I don't really care if everyone hates Sony, but why get worked up over speculation?"

5/25/2006 11:30:45 AM