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"Fire Flip for Detroit flop

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
May 30, 2006




AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – Flip? He's flopped.

And unless Flip Saunders immediately regains control of the spiraling Detroit Pistons, he should be fired just one season into taking over what seemed to be the ultimate coaching job – in charge of the most selfless, self-motivated team in basketball.

The failures of Detroit, which trails the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference finals 3-1 heading into Wednesday's Game 5, aren't all Saunders' fault, but he will be the fall guy. He has to be.

The most coachable team in the league doesn't turn into the Portland Trail Blazers for no reason.

The Pistons aren't as good as they were the last two years, when they twice reached the Finals and won the title once. They aren't as tenacious defensively. They aren't as strong-willed. They aren't as cohesive, consistent or coordinated. They are barely improved offensively from the Larry Brown days, and that was the one thing Saunders was supposed to change.

During the regular season, he did. Detroit was an up-tempo team that maintained most of its defensive stinginess, streaking to the best record in the NBA.

But Saunders appears to have lost his team during the playoffs as times invariably got tough.

Because of the Pistons' history of playing their best when they're down and almost out – their own motto is "if it ain't rough, it ain't right" – there is still a belief that things can be turned around.

But this isn't the old Detroit team. And Miami – with a healthy Dwyane Wade, Shaquille O'Neal and a strong supporting cast – is not Cleveland or Orlando or New Jersey. The Heat look like a championship club.

The Pistons, meanwhile, have lost of six of their last nine games and look like a fractured team that has given up on its coach.

Rasheed Wallace, who was the definition of a team guy under Brown, has been pouting, even refusing to slap Saunders' hand coming out of games and even steering clear of a timeout huddle in Game 3. Players, including usually soft-spoken Tayshaun Prince, have publicly questioned substitution patterns.

Earlier this year, Ben Wallace, the heart and soul of the team, refused to enter a game when Saunders called on him, and lately he has been critical of practice emphasis (too much offense). Bench rotations, other than Antonio McDyess, have fluctuated wildly, confusing the reserves.

Privately, throughout the locker room, the players will tell you they dislike Saunders' emphasis of zone defense, which goes against their preferred manly version of man-to-man. There is a distinct lack of respect.

"As a coach I make decisions," Saunders said Monday. "I have to live by the decisions. As players, they play, and they have to implement as far as what we do. I don't agree with what Ben says on practice from a defensive standpoint talking to people who have been here and what we've done. We all know how Ben gets at times."

"They can suggest [changes]," Saunders continued. "That doesn't mean I'll do it."

Anytime the talk in the middle of a playoff series is about a possible feud between key players and the coach, said team's goose is all but cooked.

"We can't worry about what's going on in that situation," Prince said Monday. "But people have [seen] the toughness on the defensive end that we bring all the time hasn't been there lately. But I haven't had any problem with Flip, and I don't think any of the other players have had any problems with Flip."

Nice sentiments, but there is no way they are true. Some players certainly have a problem with Flip.

Saunders' greatest failure is losing Ben Wallace's confidence. Wallace's marginalization in Detroit's offense has affected his entire game.

I've written this before, but as strange as it sounds, the secret to getting the Defensive Player of the Year to play his best is to include him, at least a little, offensively. But Saunders has failed to do that, almost embarrassing Wallace on the offensive end by ignoring him.

During the 2004 NBA championship run, Wallace averaged 8.9 shots a game, at least four or five of which came out of Brown's set plays. Big Ben averaged 10.3 points, 14.3 rebounds, 2.4 blocks and 1.9 steals while putting out a hellacious, and contagious, effort.

This postseason, Wallace is averaging a meager 3.9 shots a game and his numbers have dropped across the board – just 4.3 points, 10.9 rebounds, 1.2 blocks and 1.4 steals.

He isn't playing the way he did a year ago as the motor of the team, and his decreased performance has had a compounded impact. In their three victories, the Heat are shooting a blistering 56.6 percent from the floor. That used to be impossible against the Pistons.

While it is Wallace's job to go all out all the time, it is also a coach's job to foster an environment that makes it happen.

Larry Brown knew it, and that is why – despite his constant sideshow of drama – he never lost his locker room.

Saunders was handed a dream job last year, with a roster that was in place to compete for multiple championships. But, to do so, the players had to want to compete for their coach. They don't seem to now. It is one thing to lose; it is another to lose like this in a very un-Detroit way.

Only one thing changed from then and now: the coach. Barring another miraculous Pistons flip-the-switch-comeback, the coach is going to have to change again."


Great article, I couldnt agree more.

I hate the Pistons and love the Heat, but its apparent that they arent buying into Flip's system now that its the thick of playoff time.

5/30/2006 5:18:33 PM

jmpack15
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Maybe they will, and go after Sidney Lowe to replace him.

5/30/2006 5:40:06 PM

ncWOLFsu
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hahahaha that would be classic

they have til july 1st to get him. with our luck, i wouldn't be surprised

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ]

5/30/2006 5:44:12 PM

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THIS IS PRETTY BULLSHIT

LETS NOT CONSIDER THAT CHAUNCEY BILLUPS IS PLAYING WITH A FUCKING STRAINED GROIN AND THEY HAVE TO CUT RASHEED WALLACE'S SHOE JUST TO FIT HIS ANKLE IN IT BECAUSE IT IS SO SWOLLEN, OR THAT BEN WALLACE HAS BEEN HAVING BACK SPASMS

5/30/2006 11:21:33 PM

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how bout the fact that they have played 2 straight 7 game series, on an every other day schedule

its not that they suck, i just think they are tired

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 12:55 AM. Reason : i also agree with boobs]

5/31/2006 12:54:55 AM

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ummm they beat Milwaukee in 5 and the cavs in 7 they played 1 more game in the playoffs than the heat.

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 10:08 AM. Reason : 7]

5/31/2006 10:08:09 AM

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what're they gonna do, hire back Larry Brown?

5/31/2006 10:37:54 AM

TreeTwista10
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Rick Carlisle MADE that team

5/31/2006 11:38:29 AM

wolfmanjack3
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^no kidding, ive disliked how larry brown got so much credit for winning with them, rick could have in another year i think

5/31/2006 11:58:46 AM

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Flip Saunders = Bobby Cox. They're both great in the regular season, but choke in the playoffs.

[Edited on May 31, 2006 at 2:35 PM. Reason : for Bobby, not Flip]

5/31/2006 2:34:31 PM

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Do we have a large alumni base in Detorit that I am unaware of?

5/31/2006 2:35:54 PM

TreeTwista10
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we have the top assistant coach. his name is sidney lowe. you might have heard about him in the news lately. he is going to be nc state's next head basketball coach. some people give a shit about that.

5/31/2006 3:35:28 PM

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i believe he was saying that because this sounds like something the nc state fanbase would do

you know, run off a guy just because he can't win a championship even though he got to the conference finals

5/31/2006 3:39:30 PM

TreeTwista10
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ah i'm slow

they used to talk shit about rick carlisle and larry brown too...fucking pistons

5/31/2006 4:06:58 PM

Panthro
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Heat close them out tonight.

5/31/2006 4:33:24 PM

TreeTwista10
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i think detroit wins tonight

but then who knows...probably miami in 6

but if detroit wins tonight and wins 6 and goes back to detroit, miami is done

lots of if's though

5/31/2006 4:34:59 PM

Panthro
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^ LOL.

see NBA Playoffs thread

my thoughts exactly (almost... )

5/31/2006 4:36:11 PM

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