http://majpalmer.com/therealwar/therealwar.html

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" Keep this in mind when you consider the “real war.” Perhaps you think that the United States should withdraw from the Middle East. Perhaps you think that we ought to abandon Israel. But are you willing to give up democracy, pluralism, human rights, freedom of belief, freedom of expression, freedom of ownership, personal freedom, and free market policies?"

7/7/2006 5:36:39 PM

huh

7/7/2006 5:40:12 PM

there are too many people in the West who refuse to see that we are involved in what is a very real and seminal struggle against Jihadists. They are not freedom fighters, nor terrorists, although they use terror as a tactic. They must be understood for what they are: Islamic warriors bent on restoring a global khalifate through armed struggle. And that is what makes this a “real war” and not a global criminal action.

7/7/2006 5:42:00 PM

*Caliphate

7/7/2006 5:58:53 PM

when people die, it's a real war, and that's what this is

7/7/2006 6:12:48 PM

^^

I think it's one of those Arabic words which can have multiple spellings.

[Edited on July 7, 2006 at 6:15 PM. Reason : .]

7/7/2006 6:15:27 PM

Brown Man's Burden

and btw, how exactly can you give up something that you don't already have?

7/7/2006 7:30:00 PM

I think we have those things more than any other nation

7/7/2006 8:03:35 PM

is salisburyb0t posting under another name?

7/7/2006 8:42:55 PM

You know the whole time we had the power to deny them this jihad, but our president chose the road they (the jihadist) wanted most after 9/11. I wish there was a magic wand to fix all this mess, but untill we stop interacting totally with the middle east, their oil, ongoing Isreali conflict it's not going to get any better. Of course one would say the isolation path will not prevent another 9/11, but atleast this country's resources wont be wasting away in religious blood feud thats not going to end anytime soon. Thats my take on it. Even if we were to take it to the terrorist we would need a lot more boots on the ground just to get Iraq and Afghanistan secure. We've got the troops, the question is why this administration isn't totally commiting itself to the war.

7/7/2006 8:43:46 PM

^ So turn the other cheek after 9/11?

7/7/2006 8:49:46 PM

Surely, nothing more could have sapped the wind from bin laden's sails then a pacifist response from 9/11. A response incouraging acceptance of 9/11 as a day to learn from, not a day to kill for. I could go on and on about the what ifs, but it's a simple fact that terrorist are out for the media attention. Their cause thrives from it and without it they are just another angst ridden group whoring for attention. Imagine if we spent 200 billion dollars instead on securing borders, airlines, and diplomacy that involved international support against extremist groups. Thats the road we should have taken. Should have.

[Edited on July 7, 2006 at 8:58 PM. Reason : /]

7/7/2006 8:57:24 PM

yyyyyyyyeah. I can only imagine that doing nothing would have emboldened bin laden. Saying "oh, we should learn from this" would put it in his mind and the minds of his followers that they could attack the US w/ impunity. AND, it would also put into their warped minds the notion that they can and need to "teach" the US

7/7/2006 9:03:35 PM

Saying "oh, we should learn from this" would put it in his mind and the minds of his followers that they could attack the US w/ impunity.

Oh you've got the wrong idea here. Sorry, I should have clarified that when I said "international support against extremist groups" meant organizing unilateral policing of terrorist so they can be brought forth to justice. I didn't mean for it to sound like I wanted the U.S. to just lie down and take the hit.

[Edited on July 7, 2006 at 9:22 PM. Reason : sp]

7/7/2006 9:09:49 PM

I sense a tiresome debate about the past is about to insue on this thread so i'll go ahead and take a bow and quote what fry said.

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"when people die, it's a real war, and that's what this is"

7/7/2006 9:18:32 PM

Its ashame that people fail to recognize that.

7/7/2006 10:53:58 PM

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"Surely, nothing more could have sapped the wind from bin laden's sails then a pacifist response from 9/11. "

LOL and u guys wonder why you constantly lose elections

7/8/2006 8:34:39 AM

u guys? I guess you're refering to democrats. Unfortunately they went along with Bush's warplans. Me, i'm just looking at the context of the situation. After 9/11 we had support across the world, even the middle east. Sadam himself sent condolences, that's a fact. Why didn't we use this to our advantage?

7/8/2006 8:42:20 AM

durrrrr why didn't we use this to our advantage? waaaaah!!!

7/9/2006 11:58:13 AM

Hasty decisions reap untold consequences, see history for details.

7/9/2006 12:25:50 PM

^^brilliant point

7/9/2006 12:26:22 PM

All the Japanese wanted was oil. We didn't need to fight, we just misunderstood them.

7/10/2006 11:58:10 AM

no, they wanted us out of china

we actually instigated them by cutting off our oil supply

7/10/2006 12:08:48 PM

bet the rest of the world wouldnt fuck with the usa if we started showing people why we are #1

nuke them fuckers back a couple stone ages

7/10/2006 12:49:30 PM

^ Why do you insist on watering this section down with your drivel? There are enough people here that actually have something to contribute to this section and chose to occasionally interject similar comments without you (who can't contribute) needing to add to the noise. You don't belong here, go away.

7/10/2006 12:54:34 PM

no, they wanted us out of china the pacific

7/10/2006 12:55:13 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/1756/im:/060709/photos_en/2006_07_09t061305_450x308_us_afghan_fashion;_ylt=AhJutMBNeSWTV0qeAFoe3c9saMYA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--

7/10/2006 1:26:05 PM

nvm

[Edited on July 10, 2006 at 2:20 PM. Reason : i dont want to feed the troll]

7/10/2006 2:17:28 PM

Yeah, "democracy, pluralism, human rights, freedom of belief, freedom of expression, freedom of ownership, personal freedom, and free market policies?" are clearly being threatened by a bunch of dipshits with bombs.

As soon as they raise more money than is contained in all of the Middle East to fund an army capable of doing all this.

7/10/2006 2:48:34 PM

Your missing the entire point, this isnt a few spardic individuals, this is a culture, a religious movement. We arent fighting a country, we are fighting a group of people. In their minds the only possible future is one where islam is law and ruler of all.

7/10/2006 8:30:00 PM

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"Osama and his followers believe that on the Final Day of Judgment even the trees and rocks will reveal their inborn hatred of the Jews and point them out to the Muslims so that the last of the Hebrews may be slaughtered."

Osamaburyboy.




[Edited on July 10, 2006 at 8:41 PM. Reason : goddamn ssjaminds stupid link]

7/10/2006 8:40:36 PM

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"Your missing the entire point, this isnt a few spardic individuals, this is a culture, a religious movement. We arent fighting a country, we are fighting a group of people. In their minds the only possible future is one where islam is law and ruler of all."

You guys weren't worried about this when they were fighting the soviets.

7/11/2006 12:17:56 AM

o rite.

Because radical Islamic fundamentalists are so very representative of Islam as a whole.

And Islam as a culture is so much more powerful than Western culture.

omg we're gonna dieeeeeeeeee

7/11/2006 12:26:39 AM

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"bet the rest of the world wouldnt fuck with the usa if we started showing people why we are #1 nuke them fuckers back a couple stone ages"

There's taking the high road. The only thing you would succeed in doing is uniting the world (politically and militarily) against the United States out of fear.

7/11/2006 3:35:02 PM

There is another way to lead, make people jelous of your power and technological advancement. When people want to be you you can lead. Right now I think so many Americans want to be sombody else that we cannot lead in this manner.

7/11/2006 11:05:06 PM

bttw

8/27/2006 10:15:05 AM