...in Seattle.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SEATTLE_SHOOTING?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-28-20-03-32

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"Authorities said a man walked into the Jewish agency on Friday and opened fire, killing one woman and injuring at least five others in what they call a hate crime. Naveed Afzal Haq, 30, was booked into the King County Jail for investigation of homicide and attempted homicide, police said."

7/29/2006 7:47:45 AM

somethings wrong.

terrorists must fight them over there, so that we dont have to fight them over here?

i dont understand why he didnt fly to iraq

7/29/2006 8:12:19 AM

Good one Josh. You fucking imbecile.

This has to do with Israel vs. Hez. not U.S. vs. Iraq.

Notice how he entered a Jewish center, right?

7/29/2006 9:38:17 AM

i think he was joking.

im kinda sick with religion in general right now.

7/29/2006 10:34:38 AM

its the religion of peace anger

7/29/2006 11:10:34 AM

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"Good one Josh. You fucking imbecile. This has to do with Israel vs. Hez. not U.S. vs. Iraq. Notice how he entered a Jewish center, right?"

sigh

7/29/2006 11:40:55 AM

How many people do you think Catholics have killed as a result of their vain, religious morality over stem cell research?

7/29/2006 12:08:58 PM

you mean like blow up?

7/29/2006 12:20:48 PM

Angry Christian kills 1, injures 5 at abortion center.

See what I did there?

7/29/2006 12:24:37 PM

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"How many people do you think Catholics have killed as a result of their vain, religious morality over stem cell research?"

Um? What the fuck?
I'll answer your question...0, maybe 1 in some remote area of the world. Unless you're talking about the opportunity cost of not researching with federal funds. Maybe you should donate.


And boonedocks, I see what you did there and I agree. That is terrorism.

7/29/2006 1:15:27 PM

So with my scenario, would it be best to characterize the murderer as being bad, or his religion?

7/29/2006 1:17:24 PM

Well I think you characterize the murderer as being bad and the religion as having the ability to spring fanatics. The religion is not bad, in and of itself, but when taken to fundamentalism, it can be.

Moreover, as far as Christianity is concerned (because that's the only one I can speak with any authority on) I'd characterize it as a misapplication of the religion. Christianity speaks for turning the other cheek in the New Testament, which replaced the old religious rules, where smiting and vengeance were ok. So if you kill in the name of Christianity, you are misapplying your faith.

Judaism and Islam, however, may be different. I'm not quite sure, although I would think Judaism allows killing in God's name and it seems to me that Islam has as well.

But they may simply be misapplications in the same way as your example.

7/29/2006 1:29:25 PM

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"So if you kill in the name of Christianity, you are misapplying your faith."

Every "Christian" misapplies his faith, there is a handful of Christians on this planet. The rest are some assholes who are scared of death, change, and faggots.

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"Maybe you should donate."

[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 1:40 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2006 1:39:57 PM

The guy who committed the crime wasn't afraid to admit that he was an angry muslim, so why should people get upset when I state 2 very simple facts about a maniac who killed innocent people because of their religious beliefs?

Does that mean that all muslims are maniacs or angry? No of course not, and it's sad that I have to spell that out for the children who cannot comprehend very basic concepts of understanding.

What is even more pathetic is that some people are more upset about the description of the killer than they are about the woman who was murdered or the other 5 that he injured.

[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 2:07 PM. Reason : ]

7/29/2006 2:05:42 PM

all i have to say is that we should strive to understand and tolerate the expression of muslim beliefs - this man should not be in jail today. by falsely imprisoning him, we are only creating more people like him with hostility towards our society.

7/29/2006 2:08:51 PM

I think we should put said angry muslim in a room with Josh8315, McDanger, and boonedocks so they can use their powers of compassionate liberalism and understanding to sympathize and rationalize with this guy and see how everything works out. Oh yeah, he can bring his gun if he likes. Good luck guys!

7/29/2006 2:11:23 PM

can i come?

ill bring my gun as well as my compassion.

7/29/2006 2:19:45 PM

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"The guy who committed the crime wasn't afraid to admit that he was an angry muslim, so why should people get upset when I state 2 very simple facts about a maniac who killed innocent people because of their religious beliefs? "

They're not upset that you merely posted about an angry muslim. I think they're upset because you like to point out the splinters in others' eyes without examining the plank in your own.

7/29/2006 2:35:24 PM

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"I think they're upset because you like to point out the splinters in others' eyes without examining the plank in your own."

And you know that I haven't examined my own planks, so to speak, because I pointed out that an angry muslim, who even says those very same words during his shooting spree, committed a terrible crime?

I think that some of you have no idea what that passage from the Bible means. If I implied that I am a better man than anybody else for whatever reason from my own personal ivory tower then you'd have a point. I fail to make the connection that you're trying to make here because it takes the whole plank remark totally out of context. If I am being self-righteous, then by all means point that out, otherwise keep your wrongly conceived thoughts to yourself.

[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 2:45 PM. Reason : ]

7/29/2006 2:42:40 PM

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"employee had punched in her security code"

Haha, the jewish center has high security, I wonder why?

That guys a bad shot, too, only 1 kill, god damn it's not like the people were going to move around to much after you shoot them.

7/29/2006 2:43:02 PM

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"their powers of compassionate liberalism"

becuase the bombs of neo-conservativism have really stabilized the middle-east

7/29/2006 2:44:06 PM

Yeah, all of those peace treaties, conferences, meetings and accords have worked so well to curb the violence.

7/29/2006 2:45:47 PM

whats a peace-treaty even done for anyone? i mean really.


^ so ..... rice is doing what right now ? do you even follow the news?

[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 2:56 PM. Reason : 243]

7/29/2006 2:49:35 PM

I heard he was going in to give a peaceful resolution like israel did.

7/29/2006 2:49:38 PM

^^^well, for starters, egypt isnt fighting with israel anymore. Also, the PLO and Israelis are on better terms. Too bad Hamas is essentially a terrorist organization.

also, these are terrorists (Hezbollah and Hamas), not organized states. we dont negotiate w/ terrorists, so a conference is a moot point.

7/29/2006 2:57:40 PM

This thread reminds me

What's the latest with the dude who tried to run over some Tar Heel students with his SUV in Chapel Hill?

7/29/2006 3:05:02 PM

These peace treaties, conferences, meetings and accords seem to be lacking when it comes to Syria and Iran. They are the major source of funding and arms to the Hezbollah but it seems secretary Rice likes to avoid these places. For whatever its worth, I believe these are prime spots to have discussion about the terms of this conflict if we ever want to alleviate the carnage thats thundering in the middle east.

7/29/2006 3:15:02 PM

iran has it in its mind to reject anything and everything, up until an international coalition finally lands there and takes them out.

but to say that they never work is silly.

7/29/2006 3:17:46 PM

Another "Crazy, Muslim fanatic kills in the name of Islam, bu... bub... but the christians" thread. Sigh.

Old and busted: the insanity plea
New hottness: hiding behind religion

7/29/2006 3:23:35 PM

Christianity and Islam are both frikkin' violent and hateful religions, but the difference is that while Christianity has basically disintegrated over the years due to slow growth, disagreements, priest stories, and modernization, Islam has stuck to its roots.


Do I win this thread?

7/29/2006 3:26:34 PM

PinkAndBlack: Egypt and others found out the hard way that screwing with Israel makes you a prime target for a butt whooping. Peace was gained through strength.

History has a way of repeating itself, and despots usually ask for more and more each time "peace" is achieved. Israel pulled its troops out of southern Lebanon 6 years ago and hezbollah came in and built it up for war though stockpiling weapons on the borders, digging tunnels into Israel, etc.

Also, keep in mind that Syria and ultimately Iran are pulling hezbollah's strings here while using Lebanon as a puppet for their campaign of state sponsored terror.

Hopefully the current action will be contained but you have to be careful when you sacrifice your security for temporary safety with regards to peace, treaties, etc.

[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 3:41 PM. Reason : typos]

7/29/2006 3:40:07 PM

christianity has moderated itself in wealthy civilized nations

if US unemployment hit 30%+ we'd quickly see crazy ass shit going down in our own nation






... moral of the story: bomb the shit out of those goddamn ay-rabs

7/29/2006 3:40:42 PM

^^i belive you said

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"Yeah, all of those peace treaties, conferences, meetings and accords have worked so well to curb the violence."

when, in fact, treaties and accords (i give camp david as an example) have helped to maintain lasting peace after longterm violence.

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"Peace was gained through strength. "

implies that you think that the resolution was strictly military, which it was not.

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"sacrifice your security for temporary safety with regards to peace, treaties, etc."

are you saying that you cant attempt to use diplomacy while your army stands at the ready to defend itself? you use diplomacy as much as you possibly can, until you cant use it any more. while this might not apply to iran, it has definately applied in the past, and we cant discount its importance in certain situations.

you do realize we are taking the route of diplomacy and negotiation right now, right? what do you suggest we do?



[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 3:51 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2006 3:44:59 PM

^^^^ and ^^ "modernization" is the key word. Christianity has been subject to much scrutiny to the field of science since the dark ages and has lost its grip in terms of deep rooted idealogy. As for Islam, you have your countries like Afghanistan and Libya where fundamentalist rule the day. We still have our Christian fanatics but theres not a breeding ground like there is for Islamic fanactics overseas.


[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 3:46 PM. Reason : ads]

7/29/2006 3:45:37 PM

Exactly, but you just can't dismiss Islam as being violent, when in fact Christianity's history is much more dismal.

7/29/2006 3:47:01 PM

You cant really deem a religion as violent because its ultimately the extremist that does the violence. Any religious doctrine can be construed to fit anyones preference due to its ambiguity and vagueness. Christianity certainly does have a dirtier slate than Islam with the death and destruction unleashed by the Romans and then on up through history: spanish inquistion, crusades, etc. You also cant hide the fact that Islam split off into warring factions shortly after their prophets death into sunnis and shiite (...along with the other pacifist Islamic group, I forget its name,) due to the indecision as to who will succeed Mohammad. This is not to show Islam as neccessarily violent, just that it has its fair share of intolerence. On the whole it is mainly a reverent religion where its followers feel deeply connected to god, praying five times a day and such.

7/29/2006 4:17:30 PM

see that's the thing...historically and even presently, no other religions have those sort of doctrines.

7/29/2006 4:20:37 PM

I know, I was reading some of revalations and it sounds like John the Baptist was on an acid trip... 16 headed monsters, wtf

7/29/2006 4:25:44 PM

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"You cant really deem a religion as violent because its ultimately the extremist that does the violence."

its seems to me...and i might be wrong about this...but anywhere in the world where there is an armed conflict going on....you will find muslims on one side or the other ....or both...is that true??

7/29/2006 5:58:29 PM

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"its seems to me...and i might be wrong about this...but anywhere in the world where there is an armed conflict going on....you will find muslims on one side or the other ....or both...is that true?? "

That is far from true

7/29/2006 6:04:48 PM

where??

7/29/2006 6:07:00 PM

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/recent_media_unit_information?sq_content_src=aHR0cDovL2N1c3RvbXNjcmlwdHMucG9saWNlLm5zdy5nb3YuYXUvbmV3cy9kZXRhaWxzX21lZGlhLnBocD9NZWRpYUlEPTcyMDc%3D


oh and if youre gonna say you want armies/militias, please visit africa.

[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 6:09 PM. Reason : 34]

7/29/2006 6:08:10 PM

that incident is not relevant at all...and alot of africans are muslims...

7/29/2006 6:10:06 PM

lot all of em.

7/29/2006 6:10:54 PM

i didnt say all of them were

7/29/2006 6:11:39 PM

most arent.

7/29/2006 6:11:57 PM

like i said...alot are

7/29/2006 6:12:30 PM

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jul2006/2006-07-28-01.asp

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200607/INT20060728d.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5227186.stm

none are muslim

[Edited on July 29, 2006 at 6:13 PM. Reason : 234]

7/29/2006 6:13:33 PM

Disaffected youth

7/29/2006 6:15:02 PM

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"Christianity and Islam are both frikkin' violent and hateful religions, but the difference is that while Christianity has basically disintegrated over the years due to slow growth, disagreements, priest stories, and modernization, Islam has stuck to its roots. Do I win this thread?"

yes

7/29/2006 6:21:10 PM