http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2539409

"B" test is positive. Throw him under the bus.

8/5/2006 9:48:19 AM

U-S-A!
U-S-A!
U-S-A!

8/5/2006 10:05:42 AM

is it really a surprise that Roid Landis' B sample turned up positive as well?

8/5/2006 10:09:44 AM

they need to give athletes steriods anyway

makes the shit more fun for fans

8/5/2006 10:12:33 AM

Part of me wants to believe that he was sabotaged. He was quoted as saying he thought the race was over and that he lost first place for good. So if he thought he has lost it for sure why take the drugs? BUT if he was so sure he lost it already why go balls to the wall and try to win the stage?

8/5/2006 11:23:53 AM

Cycling is boring no matter how many 'roids he pumps into his body. Maybe now he'll learn.

8/5/2006 12:15:56 PM

^^ His mask didn't work?

[Edited on August 5, 2006 at 12:16 PM. Reason : /]

8/5/2006 12:16:15 PM

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"Part of me wants to believe that he was sabotaged. He was quoted as saying he thought the race was over and that he lost first place for good. So if he thought he has lost it for sure why take the drugs? BUT if he was so sure he lost it already why go balls to the wall and try to win the stage?"

Why not take the drugs?

8/5/2006 1:21:06 PM

i'm sure i speak on behalf of ernie when i say america needs more steriods in sports

homeruns are what put fans in the seats!

8/5/2006 1:25:23 PM

Chicks dig the long ball.

8/5/2006 1:54:54 PM

the fucking French set his ass up

same old bullshit

8/5/2006 2:03:43 PM

^ Don't forget, they set up Bonds too. Buncha non-baseball loving racists.

8/5/2006 2:10:36 PM

ah i think there was a little too much VISUAL proof in Bonds to make that statement

8/5/2006 2:30:54 PM

lets think about something....

landis was tested regularly thoughout the race, all came back completely clean

then after the race is over, he test first 4:1 and then 11:1 for testosterone

yall might want to look into what testosterone doping requires. it takes multiple weeks of building up, small amounts at a time, to get to a testosterone level that high.

keep in mind that the testing agency is french based and is completely closed to outside scrutiny

now im not sayin there is a french-based conspiracy or any garbage like that, rather, it is just ridiculous that the media, espn, etc are condemning him without understanding the background of testosterone doping

yea....makes complete sense to think that he is completely guilty

8/6/2006 10:51:02 AM

because you would know moreso than an anti-doping organization

[Edited on August 6, 2006 at 11:15 AM. Reason : j]

8/6/2006 11:15:30 AM

he took the drugs cause he thought the race was over, and he would have nothing to loose.....oh well, sucks for him....

8/6/2006 12:31:42 PM

^^anti-doping agency doesnt look use logic, they use test results

8/6/2006 7:13:14 PM

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"then after the race is over, he test first 4:1 and then 11:1 for testosterone yall might want to look into what testosterone doping requires. it takes multiple weeks of building up, small amounts at a time, to get to a testosterone level that high. "

maybe you might want to look into what testosterone usage entails, because you are so far off it's laughable. he never tested 4:1 at first; it just wasn't disclosed. everyone knew he tested OVER 4:1 because that's the ratio cutoff for a failed test.

testosterone doping doesn't take an extended period of time to occur either. DMSO based cream products like androgel can enter the bloodstream in minutes and shut down testicular function. the testosterone levels never build up higher than normal, but epitestosterone production shuts down and within a day or two will have the test to epitest ratio way out of normal. a 10:1 or worse ratio could easily be seen after using HRT dosages of androgel for 2 days.

you can make all the claims you want about how taking testosterone during a race would hinder a rider, but all you have to look at are the race results for the stage he tested positive at and realize something must have helped him out.

[Edited on August 6, 2006 at 7:48 PM. Reason : .]

8/6/2006 7:47:25 PM

but would doping one day do anything?

8/7/2006 9:52:40 AM

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"but would doping one day do anything?"

8/7/2006 9:54:33 AM

it doesn't matter if one day would have an affect or not. no one is questioning whether his choice to violate a drug test put him at an advantage. if he was blood doping with blood he collected 2 months prior to the race while he also just so happened to be taking testosterone, then it could have had a dramatic impact on his racing performance. Blood doping is a very effective means of gaining a competitive advantage, and maybe he didn't have the medical comprehension or forethought to realize that his doped blood would contain synthetic testosterone in it at levels that would botch up his epitestosterone production.

8/7/2006 11:05:25 AM

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"your an idiot"

8/7/2006 11:07:31 AM

^^ true enough

8/7/2006 11:39:46 AM

He got caught cheatings in a sport of cheating that nobody cares about.

8/7/2006 11:50:42 AM

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"it doesn't matter if one day would have an affect or not. no one is questioning whether his choice to violate a drug test put him at an advantage."

I'm questioning it you dipshit. It's just a question for your "i spend way too much time on drug sites and I am an expert" elitist attitude and I figured you'd be qualified to answer it. I'll state it again for you.

If he hadn't done shit up to that point, would one day worth of anything help.

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"and maybe he didn't have the medical comprehension or forethought to realize that his doped blood would contain synthetic testosterone in it at levels that would botch up his epitestosterone production."

Eh, just like in the baseball world, these guys probably only know a little about what they are doing and trusted team doctors (or other less reputable individuals) for his concoctions.

8/7/2006 12:12:58 PM

here's the newsflash: everyone cheats in cycling. most freakin drug soaked sport in the world

8/7/2006 1:16:19 PM

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"Eh, just like in the baseball world, these guys probably only know a little about what they are doing and trusted team doctors (or other less reputable individuals) for his concoctions. "

actually, if you could gather anything from what occurred with the long distance skiers who got busted at the olympics this year, a lot of these guys are performing blood transfusions with no medical supervision whatsoever. If you are trying to imply from baseball that BALCO and anti-aging clinics constitute a team of trusted doctors, then you are sorely mistaken. Anti-aging clinics don't even consult with their clients in person, and BALCO also employed doctors that wrote ghost-scripts without ever meeting the person they were prescribing drugs to.

Baseball players aren't blood-doping either; steroids, growth hormone, and stimulants are the extent of substances they will abuse. Blood doping is a lot more dangerous than injecting a small amount of a medical grade product in your body or ingesting a pharmaceutical grade pill.

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"If he hadn't done shit up to that point, would one day worth of anything help. "

blood doping the day before stage 17 would have given him elevated RBC levels through the rest of the tour and most definitely would have been a clear advantage. having testosterone in his body would also help later on, as long as he did something to prevent his testosterone levels from falling off afterwards. This is all contingent on him taking doped blood and not on him merely taking testosterone.

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 5:35 PM. Reason : advantage]

8/7/2006 5:31:02 PM