Anyone else watching/following the Apple Developers conference?

This time Machine stuff looks kinda cool. Bringing automatic daily backups to the common end user.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/07/live-from-wwdc-2006-steve-jobs-keynote/

8/7/2006 1:46:48 PM

windows has done this for.. about a decade

8/7/2006 1:57:37 PM

Not exactly. But nice try.

8/7/2006 2:01:26 PM

Did you just compare daily backups to system restore?

8/7/2006 2:02:41 PM

It's essentially gonna be keeping an SVN repository of your entire system but with a really pretty gui.

8/7/2006 2:03:03 PM

windows can do automated backups out of the box, but not with that nice of a gui

8/7/2006 2:07:02 PM

and now Macs will too

8/7/2006 2:15:18 PM

it probably could already.

the gui is the cool bit.

8/7/2006 2:16:04 PM

yeah, just like a lot of apple's other "revolutionary" ideas, they didn't create something, they just made it pretty, and made it work easily right out of the box.

8/7/2006 2:18:11 PM

fyi: apple store is down for "updating" and "should be back within the hour"

8/7/2006 2:20:00 PM

about the only thing that could come out of this that would be cool is Dell creating a response to the new MacPro

8/7/2006 2:21:14 PM

yeah. with all the new products. I was tempted to wait an hour to make this thread and call it "OMF NEW IPOD!!!!!1" but I decided to make it about the whole conference instead.

8/7/2006 2:21:51 PM

I think being able to go back and find a particular file from a certain date that either been deleted or changed and restore just that file is a little different then the drive wide system restore that windows does.

8/7/2006 2:22:38 PM

8/7/2006 2:23:10 PM

windows can do file specific backups and restore based on backup time. The interface is just not as nice.

8/7/2006 2:24:36 PM

you already said that lol

8/7/2006 2:29:50 PM

was in response to

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"I think being able to go back and find a particular file from a certain date that either been deleted or changed and restore just that file is a little different then the drive wide system restore that windows does."

8/7/2006 2:31:35 PM

show's over. no new ipod or iphone. Got some details on the mac pro and lots of new details about leopard. And thats about it. not a whole lot for the apple fanboys to drool over just yet.

8/7/2006 2:32:37 PM

The Mac Pro is nice, a few cool features in Leopard. The "web clip to dashboard widget" is very cool; I can snip the top header of an eBay auction and keep it on the desktop or whatever.

The other thing that I wish, wish, wish Gmail would do is the "Stickys" and "To Dos" in email. I probably send myself an email a day at least w/ "things to do" because it's the easiest (and most reliable) way to help myself remember things.

Still no Mac in my near future, the PC is working fine, but a good showing nonetheless.

8/7/2006 2:44:51 PM

I wasn't talking about system restore, I was talking about ntbackup

8/7/2006 2:58:27 PM

i like the new iChat features... but i'm gonna have to assume and fear that it will only be done with other Macs

8/7/2006 2:59:54 PM

^^ That doesn't look like the same thing.

8/7/2006 3:04:44 PM

ntbackup uses shadow volume copy. It has the same functionality (if not more) but definately not a nice easy to use interface.

8/7/2006 3:20:39 PM

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"Bringing automatic daily backups to the common end user."

But smoothcrim missed the most important part of what I said.

8/7/2006 3:22:38 PM

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html

The whole point of time machine is its UI. Saying that something else does the same thing but not in the same way is retarded, because the unique thing about time machine is not what it does, it's how it does it. It's also not strictly file-system level, as that video shows, which IS new.

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 3:33 PM. Reason : ]

8/7/2006 3:31:49 PM

^^all you have to do in windows is go to "system tools" ->"backup". it's actually quite simple

8/7/2006 3:33:11 PM

The backup utility in Windows OneCare Live is pretty fucking easy to use.

Even idiots like Joshnumbers and El nacho could use it without fucking up.

8/7/2006 3:33:37 PM

AHAHA. how exactly am I am idiot? I seem to recall getting the best of you every time we had our differences.

You're really still mad because I called you out on some bullshit lies you told? That's amazing.

8/7/2006 3:35:42 PM

i'd use the apple over the windows because of the awesome warping through time effects

8/7/2006 3:44:29 PM

You still think that you claimed intellectual superiority over me because my dear ole mum related some poor information to me.

8/7/2006 3:57:00 PM

My favorite part was when they spent 5 minutes trashing Microsoft saying they copy everything that Apple does then not 20 minutes later they have the system freeze during the demo and reboot then proceed to highlight their new technology of Spaces: the 4 pane virtual desktop that they directly copied from Linux/Unix. Fucking hypocrites.

8/7/2006 3:58:40 PM

and i love how they breeze right over dashboard without mentioning how its a straight rip of konflabulator.

8/7/2006 4:01:59 PM

yea I don't like how they flat out bash Microsoft.

8/7/2006 4:03:19 PM

i don't like how a bunch of geeks on the web get their panties in a bunch over it.


they're light-hearted jabs. laugh or move on.

8/7/2006 4:07:16 PM

I honestly don't think Microsoft cares. Do they even consider Apple to be competitor? I'm pretty sure they are far more concerned about google than Apple.

8/7/2006 4:08:24 PM

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"You still think that you claimed intellectual superiority over me because my dear ole mum related some poor information to me."

That was only a very small part of the lie you told. And then later when you were 100% proven wrong you played the backtracking game in order to save face.

Either way you've still failed to mention how this somehow makes me an idiot. Much less an idiot on the same level of joshnumbers. That's just low, man. Just because I disagreed with you on one point, somehow that makes me as dumb as that guy?

8/7/2006 4:09:41 PM

joshnumbers is pretty goddamn stupid.

8/7/2006 4:15:06 PM

I like how they introduce consumer side version control and everyone is like INNOVATION LOLZ.

8/7/2006 4:15:22 PM

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"then proceed to highlight their new technology of Spaces: the 4 pane virtual desktop that they directly copied from Linux/Unix."

I don't think they claimed they invented it. Pretty much everyone knows that linux has had multiple desktops for a while, and there are a few third parties that implement multiple desktops in OS X now. It's notable that this will be integrated in to the OS.

Actually, most of the features Apple showed today (except for timeline) have a directly analogous function in some third party app on Mac OS or Windows. All the spotlight stuff has been in Quicksilver, HTML emails are not new, video overlay/manipulation in chat is not new, and third parties have had smooth text to speech for a while too. The other stuff for developers could have been done before, just not as easily.

8/7/2006 4:26:46 PM

^^^ How is that not MS bashing?

[Edited on August 7, 2006 at 4:48 PM. Reason : and it's joenumbers ]

8/7/2006 4:44:48 PM

no not you.

we mean joshnumbers. he didn't post in this thread but he is an idiot.

8/7/2006 4:50:04 PM

ahah ok sorry

8/7/2006 4:51:00 PM

you're right.... nobody should be put on the same level as joshnumbers.

8/7/2006 4:56:15 PM

apology accepted.

8/7/2006 4:57:27 PM

That time machine software is one of the best interfaces I have seen. It's not exactly version control as some people have mentioned. It's actually backups. But way frikkin' cool.

Expect Vista to have something like this by SP1.

8/7/2006 5:00:33 PM

i consider the bashing to be mostly jokes anyways... i mean, the banner that joenumbers just posted... idk, it's not like an over-the-top mama joke or a pic of bill gates' wife naked or something...

besides like somebody said already, i really doubt M$ is all that worried about Apple, and honestly, likewise... both have their fanboys that will never change and some inbetweeners... why not poke fun in the process of things

8/7/2006 5:04:41 PM

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"Expect Vista to have something like this by SP1"

haha, yeah right

8/7/2006 5:15:49 PM

^I don't know. MSFT might be able to pull it off. Question is: Will it work?

8/7/2006 10:15:09 PM

^Whatever it does, I'm sure it will have a wizard.

8/7/2006 10:35:01 PM

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"Quote : "then proceed to highlight their new technology of Spaces: the 4 pane virtual desktop that they directly copied from Linux/Unix." I don't think they claimed they invented it. Pretty much everyone knows that linux has had multiple desktops for a while, and there are a few third parties that implement multiple desktops in OS X now. It's notable that this will be integrated in to the OS."

You missed the point. Its not that they claimed they invented it. Its that they bashed Microsoft for using technology or ideas that they did first then turn around and do the exact same thing.

8/7/2006 11:14:59 PM