http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1175/is_6_37/ai_n8585957/print

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"A nation of wimps: parents are going to ludicrous lengths to take the lumps and bumps and bumps out of life for their children. However well-intentioned, parental hyperconcern and microscrunity have the net effect of making kids more fragile. That may be why the young are breaking down in record numbers"

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"Herein lies another possible pathway to depression.... Cognitive therapy owes its very effectiveness to the systematic application of critical thinking to emotional reactions. Further, it's in the setting of goals and progress in working toward them, however mundane they are, that positive feelings are generated. From such everyday activity, resistance to depression is born."

Implication: coddled kids are less psychologically mature when it comes to resisting depression

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"Talk to a college president or administrator and you're almost certainly bound to hear tales of the parents who call at 2 a.m. to protest Branden's C in economics because it's going to damage his shot at grad school."

That's fucking pathetic.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:11 AM. Reason : dfvd]

8/9/2006 1:09:57 AM

just what makes these 'parents' qualified to raise america's children?

8/9/2006 1:14:18 AM

^^ why do you give any credibility to pop psyschology magazine articles that are not peer reviewed, and have no citations or references?


[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:28 AM. Reason : ]

8/9/2006 1:27:26 AM

this thread's title makes it look like an article by micheal savage or something.

8/9/2006 1:33:09 AM

now i know why we are losing the iraqi war

softees....

8/9/2006 1:34:05 AM

FindArticles > Psychology Today > Nov-Dec, 2004 > Article > Print friendly

8/9/2006 1:34:42 AM

its all good...soon as america wins world war 3, everything will be back to normal...

8/9/2006 1:38:27 AM

5 billion dead

8/9/2006 1:42:02 AM

our freedom will be intact

8/9/2006 1:49:10 AM

even if it aint an official article, i bet it has some merit. kids are pussies these days, live a tough ass life like i did and be a man. i got beat by my dad, my mom washed my mouth out with soap, i had a life threatening illness, i was a bully, i played sports n got hurt and my parents didnt caudle me and im a better man for it. kids today suck, damn i feel old

8/9/2006 1:52:30 AM

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"why do you give any credibility to pop psyschology magazine articles that are not peer reviewed, and have no citations or references?"

ad hominem?

^ I'm sure you're a real man So manly, you whined on here for 5 years about how the military screwed you.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 2:01 AM. Reason : sdf]

8/9/2006 2:00:17 AM

kids with there fancy vaccines and playstation 3's

8/9/2006 2:04:05 AM

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"joe_schmoe: why do you give any credibility to pop psyschology magazine articles that are not peer reviewed, and have no citations or references?""

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"Lowjack: ad hominem?"

are you asking me what ad hominem means? because if you're saying my post is an example, then it's obvious you dont have a clue what it means.

what im saying is your article that you find to be so revealing of todays poor parenting, is just a piece of pop psychobabble because it has no peer review or reference citations.

it does not contain any scientific research, but is merely a string of meaningless anecdotal bits from a few select, partial observers.

in short, its meaningless subjective conjecture, and whatever conclusions the writer is trying to insinuate, are probably false and have no way of being verified. not that he's bold enough to posit any real conclusions, anyhow.

just like so much pop psychology out there today.




[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 2:31 AM. Reason : ]

8/9/2006 2:28:33 AM

I'm a firm believer in natural selection, and yes, America is over protecting it's kids. That's why we have so many faggots, furries, and other such freaks of the food web (or wolf web) popping up these days, we don't try and kill off creative tendancies such as that, no in this world people like that won't be sent off to war, or other violent outcomes, but they won't be able to breed either

THIS MEANS YOURE GOING TO HEAR ALOT OF BITCHY MEN.

8/9/2006 2:30:52 AM

wow

faggots huh?

great

8/9/2006 2:34:39 AM

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"Republican18: live a tough ass life like i did and be a man. i got beat by my dad, my mom washed my mouth out with soap, ... i was a bully, ... and im a better man for it. "

holy shit, you are a Class-A freak.

i dont think i need to ever read anything you ever have to say again.

thanks for the heads-up.




[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 2:39 AM. Reason : ]

8/9/2006 2:35:46 AM

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"That's why we have so many faggots"

...gayness is caused by an easy life? you should write a paper on that one

8/9/2006 2:38:53 AM

well, he is "firm butt gentle", you know.

... or is it, "firm butt gentleman" ?

shit. at any rate, he's got the gayest screenname, hands down.

maybe thats why he keeps going off against homosexuals.

self loathing, perhaps.





[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 2:45 AM. Reason : hey lowjack, now *that's* /ad hominem/ OK?]

8/9/2006 2:41:37 AM

^^^^^^

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"joe_schmoe: why do you give any credibility to pop psyschology magazine articles that are not peer reviewed, and have no citations or references?"""

The fact that the article was in a pop psych magazine and not peer reviewed has no bearing on the validity of the arguments contained in the article. Attacking the source rather than the argument is ad hominem, fyi. Furthermore, the lack of citations or references does not affect the truthiness of the argument.

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"in short, its meaningless subjective conjecture, and whatever conclusions the writer is trying to insinuate, "

Wait a second. Where has anyone interpreted it as anything other than subjective conjecture? If it's ok with you, I'm sure some people would like to share their opinions on the subjective conjectures presented in the piece.

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"are probably false and have no way of being verified."

Fallacy: Just because an argument is not supported does not mean the conclusion of the argument is false.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 2:48 AM. Reason : dfvd]

8/9/2006 2:47:56 AM

from now on, nobody should be allowed to post scientific claims with citations from peer reviewed journals

if you gave 2 shits or knew at least a few things about your topic of interest, you should be able to produce such things.

i dont care about your opinions. post facts and then your opinions. without citations, the argument is flat.

8/9/2006 3:00:54 AM

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" pop psych magazine and not peer reviewed has no bearing on the validity of the arguments contained in the article."

are you serious? it's the only standard by which to judge scientific journal articles.

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"Attacking the source rather than the argument is ad hominem, fyi. "

its not attacking the source to point out that it's inherently flawed. its not a credible argument. its a string of biased anecdotes.

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"Furthermore, the lack of citations or references does not affect the truthiness of the argument. "

it affects the ability to /verify/ your "truthiness". without them, it cant be verified. it's just yet another batch of baseless assertations.

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"Just because an argument is not supported does not mean the conclusion of the argument is false"

i said "probably". note your own highlighting.

now heres my own conjecture: if an author is making a true argument, the author tends to be inclined to back it up. if an author is just talking out his ass, then he tends to post his uncited, non-referreed opinions in "Psychology Today"

8/9/2006 3:08:15 AM

what makes joe_schmoe any more credibile than a "pop psychology magazine"?

8/9/2006 9:22:10 AM

I can't believe you faggots are that concerned over where are an article comes from

who gives a fuck, he thought it was thought provoking and shared some of his feelings so he posted it


fucking trolls

8/9/2006 9:32:42 AM

It's not a matter of trolling -- when it comes to sharing legitimate scholarly findings, you do it through peer-reviewed journals.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 11:20 AM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 11:20:06 AM

id say the influx in issues such as depression (or even ADD) has more to do with our hypocondriac society than it does with how we raise our children.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 11:40 AM. Reason : they just used to beat you, tell you to man up or sit down. didnt solve hte problem just masked it]

8/9/2006 11:39:52 AM

sometimes masking problems is good

you cant get shit accomplished if everything you do is all about your feelings

8/9/2006 11:42:45 AM

The point isn't whether or not the argument of the article is true, the point is that the article's statements cannot be verified. The article may very well have hit the nail on the head, but without an accompanying study or survey by somebody with the appropriate credentials in psychology, there's no way to know.

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"they just used to beat you, tell you to man up or sit down. didnt solve hte problem just masked it"

And you came to this conclusion...how?

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 11:47 AM. Reason : just curious]

8/9/2006 11:44:27 AM

^^ just defer that worthlessness to a different time, such as a midlife breakdown or beating your own children. id venture to say it causes a slew of new issues.

8/9/2006 11:45:42 AM

well obviously there are different types of problems

i guess i'm more referring to the kids who are on medicines because they dont respect their parents because the parents dont instill the values of respect in them and the only way the parents can control them without being mean is to drug them

8/9/2006 11:54:03 AM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=423089

8/9/2006 12:00:31 PM

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"its all good...soon as america wins world war 3, everything will be back to normal... "

Splendid.

So have you enlisted yet?

8/9/2006 12:10:32 PM

all the liberals said we would lose all our contitutional rights and there would be a draft so im waiting for that

ps WW3 started like 60 years ago

8/9/2006 12:19:47 PM

i do agree tree that kids are spoiled rotten moreso than they were before. that supports my hypocondriac theory where parents need something to blame and can get something to control their bratty kids. i dont think it increases the natural occurance of mental issues though.

8/9/2006 12:20:00 PM

The population sample of TWW is enough to lend more than enough credence to the article to discuss it.

8/9/2006 12:26:17 PM

haha yep

8/9/2006 12:26:38 PM

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"The population sample of TWW is enough to lend more than enough credence to the article to discuss it."

You just copied my post, and I'll "fight" you over it!

8/9/2006 12:42:35 PM

Its true though.

Have you been to High school these days? Those kids aren't tough. They're all punks.

8/9/2006 12:45:40 PM

I only go to high school to pick up bitches

8/9/2006 12:46:51 PM

8/9/2006 12:53:20 PM

makes it easier. HS women need a tuff man.

8/9/2006 12:56:29 PM

i think computers have made todays man a complete bitch.

oh and I think people where tuffer when we didnt have cars and we went to battle on horses with lots of armour.

fuckin move to africa if you think we have an easy life

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 3:08 PM. Reason : !!]

8/9/2006 3:06:23 PM

yourself?

8/9/2006 3:08:31 PM

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"all the liberals said we would lose all our contitutional rights and there would be a draft so im waiting for that"

sadly, they pick and choose which rights they think should be kept or abolished

8/9/2006 3:14:34 PM

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"they pick and choose which rights they think should be kept or abolished"

youre talking about conservative republicans.

8/9/2006 3:22:51 PM

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"they pick and choose which rights they think should be kept or abolished"

you're talking about liberal democrats

8/9/2006 3:25:16 PM

it's called politics. shit changes every day cuz no one is perfect at making laws.

8/9/2006 3:26:46 PM

I hate the Patriot Act! The govt wants to take away our freedoms! They want to infringe on my civil liberties!

Let's ban guns! The 2nd Amendement shouldn't be taken literally! If we ban guns it will lower crime!

8/9/2006 3:28:41 PM

To be honest, social conservatives are pretty damn consistent when it comes to them wanting to restrict liberties.

8/9/2006 3:35:45 PM

I don't think any of the rights should be infringed upon

8/9/2006 3:42:57 PM

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"our freedom will be intact"

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 3:44 PM. Reason : ^amen brother]

8/9/2006 3:44:10 PM