can't bttt old thread so starting a new one...

i got a violation at 8:40 when my roommate's band stopped playing at 8:20. there was no drinking and we checked with the neighbors to make sure the concert would be alright. any chance i can get off? what would i have to say?

8/22/2006 11:49:29 PM

8/23/2006 12:03:48 AM

search

8/23/2006 12:11:16 AM

he did search - which is much better than most of the regulars - and although i agree the old thread is dead - i would have bttt the thread for you - the thread could go in a different direction than the previous ones - we'll see

8/23/2006 12:16:59 AM

This thread will be 15 pags after this weekend.

8/23/2006 12:24:56 AM

this may be worth a shot, but i'm no lawyer: write up a petition stating that you informed all the neighbors beforehand of what was going on, and that they agreed it wouldn't be a nuisance, then have them all sign it. i'm not sure how well (or if at all) that will hold up in court, but it couldn't hurt

RPD is getting ridiculous with this stuff.

8/23/2006 12:33:59 AM

Gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm gonna say someone else obviously didnt like it and called the cops, neighbors or not.

8/23/2006 1:32:47 AM

I thought you couldnt get violations until 11pm through 6am or something like that

8/23/2006 8:37:30 AM

go to student legal services

they'll be able to help

also, this violation will be thrown out in court

Raleigh needs to start policing the police better because this shit might end up as a lawsuit one of these days.

Also, the police need to have a decibal reading in order to fine you. If they never measured the sound then they should not fine you and you should levy a misconduct report against them

[Edited on August 23, 2006 at 8:43 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2006 8:42:32 AM

^^ i beleive NPO and NO are diff. you can get a noise ticket any time if you're being annoying.

[Edited on August 23, 2006 at 9:04 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2006 9:04:07 AM

YOU GOT THAT SH!T BACKWARDS, B

NPO - 24-7 , NOISE ORDINANCE 11PM

8/23/2006 9:10:20 AM

my bad

[Edited on August 23, 2006 at 9:28 AM. Reason : i do hate bands that play without asking though, i had one in an APARTMENT near me]

8/23/2006 9:28:08 AM

well, i'm not sure which one it is, but the code is RCC 13-3017
are both just as likely to get thrown out of court?

8/23/2006 9:58:25 AM

my advice is if you have the time, fight it....i fought mine and got it dropped, but it took like 4 trips to the courthouse before i was even heard by the judge

if you don't feel like going to the trouble, take your 10 hours of community service and be done with it....even then, you have to go back to court at least once to verify your service has been completed.

8/23/2006 10:11:51 AM

I thought this was a civil violation (i.e. fine) not a criminal violation

8/23/2006 10:17:54 AM

^^fuck that

fight

8/23/2006 10:19:46 AM

^ not everyone can get off work or school multiple times to go sit in the courthouse for the better part of the morning...that's why i suggest if your job is inflexible or you have a class conflict, you may want to reconsider fighting

by all means fight it if you can....it will most likely be dropped

8/23/2006 10:22:13 AM

actually, your work is required to let you out as is school.

and for something like this, it would be dropped instantly since there is no decibal reading and the violation ocurred during a time in which the oridnance is not in effect.

Fighting this spurious charges is the only way to get the cops to stop.

8/23/2006 10:24:29 AM

I am not sure if you have any leg to stand on

the noise ordinance does not make any distinction whether your neighbors consent or not

there is only "I have an amplified noise permit" or "I do not have an amplified noise permit"

8/23/2006 10:28:02 AM

#1 the noise ordinance only takes effect after 11pm
#2 In order to be cited the police must take a decibal reading
#3 If they stopped playing at 8:20 and got the ticket at 8:40 then the police couldn't have taken a reading
#4 In instances like this, a neighbor must complain.

8/23/2006 10:37:00 AM

how do they take a decible reading? some sort of instrument?

this one puny little cop claimed he was 'trained' to do it...

8/23/2006 12:11:55 PM

^ Lol

He told me that too. His system is if he can hear anything at all from the road you get a ticket.

8/23/2006 12:15:34 PM

if i had the time, money, or inclination I'd ride one of these motherfuckers to court, then do a little victory dance in front of the cop

8/23/2006 1:05:10 PM

the cop wrote the citation on a traffic form and checked the box for "Other". he wrote:

"Did host a party or social gathering which by reasons of the conduct of those persons in attendance resulted in excessive, unnecessary or unusually loud noise that disturbs the repose of the neighborhood. RCC 13-3017"

i think it's pretty much bullshit and should have been a warning at most. he told us straight up that his job is to ride around trying to bust parties and if he had to come to our house for noise disturbance again, ever, as long as we live here, that he will arrest us on the spot. Even though he said that we were being polite and cooperative.

8/23/2006 1:05:47 PM

^that's the exact same thing he wrote on my ticket....is the NPO officer still Draughon?

8/23/2006 2:52:07 PM

A. motha fuckin P. Draughon.... yup

is this guy known as a dick? what are my chances of getting this dropped?

8/23/2006 3:15:23 PM

Just a heads up, he reads The Wolf Web. (seriously)

8/23/2006 3:57:49 PM

Right now they are "making examples" of students. It won't work, and the Student Legal Services is already geared up to fight it. To my understanding (word of mouth so take it as you read it) there are 2 lawsuits about to gear up against the RPD for harassment.

I openly think RPD needs to chill the fuck out. If I had a party and police showed up and I didn't think it was too loud hell yes I'd ask for a meter reading. I've always followed the law but lately they've just been harping on every single thing. They are no longer acting as the protectors of the common citizen. They are acting like overpowered, beaten as a child, assholes. This does not apply to most of the old school cops. Just the new batch.

People will always find a way to rebel when overcontrolled.

- Put up street light cameras, people get anti camera plate covers
- Clock people at the bottom of a hill and give them tickets, they'll fight you in court over entrapment and win
- Ticket for noice when there is none, they's sue for harassment since you didn't have any evidence and win.

There's just too much power in the hands of RPD right now. There needs to be more balance. More freedom.

8/23/2006 4:12:51 PM

^^ So?

Anyway, I hope these charges are fought because they sound like bullshit..

[Edited on August 23, 2006 at 4:17 PM. Reason : ]

8/23/2006 4:16:56 PM

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So far the only people that have me beat this NPO season are the people that got NPO tickets because of where they parked (even though they were parked legally and no parking ticket was written)

8/23/2006 4:24:26 PM

The noise ordinance states a very specific decibal reading. The only way they can tell that you violated that is through a decibal reading meter. If they did not write down the level of the reading then he has no grounds for writing a ticket.

fight this case and level complaints against the cop involved.

8/23/2006 7:00:23 PM

^ The noise ordinance may specify a decibal reading but that is not the ticket that people are being given.

People are being charged with the nuisance party ordinance which is completely vague. Thats why the cops can pretty much write them to anyone they want.

8/23/2006 7:48:45 PM

While it would be a crime, and liekly get somebdy arested if cought, i am wating for Draughon to try to wrtie up a group of folks and have his car trashed while he is busy being a dick.i wonder what the charge would be for tossing a handful of stink bombs into his car or onto him.

8/23/2006 10:10:26 PM

probably assault on an officer
and vandalism if just the car

8/23/2006 10:32:07 PM

kylekatern is about to get cited for Posting While Intoxicated.

8/23/2006 10:37:19 PM

Quote :

"The noise ordinance may specify a decibal reading but that is not the ticket that people are being given. People are being charged with the nuisance party ordinance which is completely vague. Thats why the cops can pretty much write them to anyone they want. "

in which case it is easily beaten.

People given these tickets need to fight so that it will become financially prohibitive.

8/24/2006 12:05:28 AM