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"RALEIGH, N.C. -- Three Wake County deputies are under investigation after a Garner minister was beaten up outside a restaurant. The State Bureau of Investigation and the Wake County District Attorney's Office are investigating deputies Chris Roth, Katie Broda and Kevin Hinton. All three have been placed on administrative duty pending the outcome of the investigation, authorities said. Three undercover drug officers were on duty but had stopped at a Garner restaurant on Aug. 26 when they got into a confrontation with Robert Wise of Garner, authorities said. Wise said he, his wife and 11-year-old daughter were leaving the restaurant when a man came up to their car window, yelling at them about taking up two parking spaces. The man, who Wise said didn't identify himself as an officer, then tried to pull him out of the car, he said. "He was twisting my foot completely all the way around. He said to me, 'Go ahead. I want you to kick me so I have a reason to kick your (behind),'" Wise said. As Wise's wife called 911, his daughter watched the incident unfold. "My daughter was terrified," he said. "When they were trying to pull me out of the car, my daughter was holding onto me. She was telling them 'Let go of my daddy, let go of my daddy.'" "To witness something like that in person and know you're innocent and haven't done anything is really bad," said Wise's wife, Cynthia. Wise said he was beaten, Maced and handcuffed. He was charged with three counts of assault on a law enforcement officer and one count of resisting a law enforcement officer, authorities said. He said had to be treated at a hospital for injuries suffered during the altercation. After Wise filed a complaint about the incident, Sheriff Donnie Harrison asked for outside agencies to investigate. He has also spoken personally with the Wise family. Robert Wise said he believes Harrison is genuinely sorry about the incident and committed to getting to the bottom of it. "We're professionals. We should maintain our professional standards," Harrison told WRAL. "We're human beings and we make mistakes, but we're going to deal with it -- be fair, honest and above-board. That's the reason I'm handling it this way. I would rather have an outside agency looking into it so no one can say we did anything improper." Harrison said the three deputies, who have a combined 21 years with the sheriff's office, all have spotless records. Wise said he believes race played a role in the incident, noting all three officers are white. "I understand when you're black and you're being pulled out of a car by two white officers, it's not going to be pretty," he said. The SBI will turn its findings over to Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby to decide if criminal charges against the officers are warranted. "There are certain groups the law gives broader authority to," Willoughby said. "But those persons must operate within the authority that's given. That's basis on which we'll review this case." "

http://www.wral.com/news/9795879/detail.html

9/6/2006 8:05:14 PM

of COURSE it's a race issue

why shouldn't it be?

9/6/2006 8:25:29 PM

I wanna see pictures of these three.

[Edited on September 6, 2006 at 8:39 PM. Reason : Pictures!]

9/6/2006 8:33:33 PM

Cops like these are animals. They're punished enough now that their names are released.

You screw up as a cop like this....you screwed up badly....they are more than likely getting what they deserved.

I can't wait until there's some sort of scandal with an NCSU rent-a-cop. Only a matter of time.

9/6/2006 8:39:45 PM

If this is true, then this is very disturbing....If they are guilty they should do time and have their badges taken away forever and I will be the first to throw hate their way...however, no one has been convicted yet...let's see what the investigation shows....as we all know there are 3 sides to every story and we have only seen one side so far....more than anything else whether or not they are guilty, situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there....

Now, I sit back and wait for people to label me a "Pig Supporter"

9/6/2006 8:41:58 PM

No, you're not a pig supporter; that's a fair unbiased approach to take, and I never heard "three sides" before. That's an interesting perspective from a citizen well aware of his rights as evident by consistently tapping police coms. Usually emotion and convictions by popular demand are a product of lack of education, so the smart thing to do is base decisions on the facts.


But, my gut tells me I believe they did wrong. I've seen too many authority crazed redneck cops in NC.

9/6/2006 8:44:55 PM

There has to be more to the story. I mean, what were they trying to do--get him to react so they could arrest him and search him and his car for drugs? Looking for a fun fight to blow off some steam? Maybe there was a prior incident? I mean, fuck, this shit makes me so angry.

9/6/2006 8:47:34 PM

You don't pull/expect someone to get out of their car without identifying yourself as a cop first.

9/6/2006 8:54:54 PM

^AHA, you're sweet. They do neglect to identify themselves, and then they claim they did ID themselves and charge the person with assault on a law enforcement officer for jerking away.

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"KE4ZNR: If this is true, then this is very disturbing....If they are guilty they should do time and have their badges taken away forever and I will be the first to throw hate their way...however, no one has been convicted yet...let's see what the investigation shows....as we all know there are 3 sides to every story and we have only seen one side so far....more than anything else whether or not they are guilty, situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there...."

NO!

Let's take a look at what you just said. I'll break it down for you with the "whether or not" option filled in:

"more than anything else if they aren't guilty, situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there..."

"more than anything else if they are guilty, situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there..."

NO, NO, NO! If they are guilty, "more than anything else" that man was dehumanized, assaulted, and arrested in front of his wife and child...but all you can talk about is the good LEOs out there.

Check yourself.

[Edited on September 6, 2006 at 9:05 PM. Reason : sss]

9/6/2006 8:56:55 PM

3 sides to every story:
1)Robert Wise's side of the story...we have (somewhat) heard his side of the story through the media...although having worked for the media in the past I don't always trust their reporting
2)Wake Deputies side of the story...we have not heard this version yet because they are still under investigation...although I am sure I can find out some more from this angle from sources

and the 3rd side of the story and the most important:
3) the truth somewhere between 1 & 2...that is when you can make a judgement based on what lies somewhere between the two...

Too bad our "in the heat of the moment" society is too quick to go with 1 or 2 before we even hear about 3

9/6/2006 9:00:46 PM

^You still haven't explained your bullshit in this statement:

Quote :

"KE4ZNR: more than anything else whether or not they are guilty, situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there"

[Edited on September 6, 2006 at 9:02 PM. Reason : sss]

9/6/2006 9:01:34 PM

Quote :

"AHA, you're sweet. They do neglect to identify themselves, and then they claim they did and charge the person with assault on a law enforcement officer for jerking away."

I meant that in the colloquial 'that's wrong' way:
"You don't drink your roommate's beer"
"You don't call people at 7am"

9/6/2006 9:05:17 PM

as I said in my first post if the 3 are proven guilty after everything is said and done then I will be the first in line to stick a foot in their ass...thugs should not hold a badge...but believe it or not there are good LEOs out there...however some people have made up their minds that all LEOs are bad and no matter what anyone says that belief will not change...

[Edited on September 6, 2006 at 9:24 PM. Reason : edited out of respect for bridget :-)]

9/6/2006 9:06:08 PM

^^Oh, LOL, my bad...

^I haven't passed judgment. I called you out for your mindset, specifically the part where you said, whether or not the cops are guilty, more than anything else situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there...

Repost for you below...this time try not to come at it like I've made up my mind. I haven't...

Quote :

"KE4ZNR: If this is true, then this is very disturbing....If they are guilty they should do time and have their badges taken away forever and I will be the first to throw hate their way...however, no one has been convicted yet...let's see what the investigation shows....as we all know there are 3 sides to every story and we have only seen one side so far....more than anything else whether or not they are guilty, situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there...."

NO!

Let's take a look at what you just said. I'll break it down for you with the "whether or not" option filled in:

"more than anything else if they aren't guilty, situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there..."

"more than anything else if they are guilty, situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there..."

NO, NO, NO! If they are guilty, "more than anything else" that man was dehumanized, assaulted, and arrested in front of his wife and child...but all you can talk about is the good LEOs out there.

Check yourself.

[Edited on September 6, 2006 at 9:10 PM. Reason : sss]

9/6/2006 9:06:13 PM

John H Baker Jr. for Sherriff

9/6/2006 9:10:19 PM

be glad to explain that statement:
Let's go out into pretend world and say that this gentleman lied (for whatever reason) and the 3 deputies are innocent....now I know I am giving a big "what if" but please follow along with me...betcha if that were to happen the media would not give that as much attention as the above first report...meanwhile hardworking LEOs out there who do their job honestly (they are out there) still have their reputation tarnished whether or not the above 3 are guilty or not...."Whoa wait: You are a Wake Sheriff Deputy? Everyone of yall beats up Black Preachers right?"
Now of course the above can only take place if the 3 are innocent....again my past comments speak for themselves: if they are guilty I have no problem with getting rid of scumbags like that....but I understand some here have such a strong anti-LEO stance here that none of the good that LEOs do would warrant comments...so many just like to jump on board when the bad apples show up....

9/6/2006 9:14:42 PM

^I get that; I totally understand concerns about the community's perception of the police force. But "more than anything else" the LEOs have been tarnished...??? MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE?

By the way, could you edit out the part where you accuse me of having made up my mind about this situation? It's really condescending, it's kinda pissing me off that you assumed that I was making assumptions about this case. It's, like, I posted, and you just had this pre-typed response for me that I didn't deserve.

[Edited on September 6, 2006 at 9:19 PM. Reason : sss]

9/6/2006 9:16:01 PM

Bridget:
I am not disagreeing with you that if the 3 are guilty then they should be punished and I would hope they would get the same treatment in prison they gave Mr. Wise on the outside world (ie: tuneup)

My only comment is that it really does not matter whether or not the charges are true/accurate...the damage has already been done to everyone else who wears the uniform...back in my teen years I used to be the most anti-pig guy you would find in Wake County...hell, I earned myself a ticket downtown because of stupid mistakes i made...turned myself around....now I have friends that work in the LEO profession...are they perfect? Not by a longshot...they are human...they would not do something like this...but they feel the ramifications of this when they put on the uniforms whether or not this event happened...it is all about perception...and situations like this make every person that wears a badge look bad whether or not they are Good LEOs or Scumbag LEOs...I wish it were easy to get rid of the Scumbag LEOs

[Edited on September 6, 2006 at 9:25 PM. Reason : goddamn my typing...]

9/6/2006 9:23:36 PM

Quote :

"Three Wake County sheriff's undercover drug agents have been placed on administrative duty while state officials investigate a Garner man's claim that they assaulted him late last month in a restaurant parking lot, Wake Sheriff Donnie Harrison said today."

Under cover drug agents, eh? They were probably dressed like a bunch of deadbeats/wannabe thugs and he did not beleive they were cops.

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"Wise was not arrested, said sheriff's spokeswoman Phyllis Stephens."

They did not even bring him in, further proving that they most likely were harassing him and did not have grounds to stop him to begin with. Had they found any contraband on him they would have leaked that information to the media already and most likely took him to jail.

9/6/2006 9:32:35 PM

Hopefully I have made sense....Bridget You have brought out good spirited dialogue in this situation...I have respected you for your intelligent, reasoned threads in the past here at Tdubb...I know I only have 500+ posts but I have lurked a long time...I wasn't trying to give ya a hard time just explain my Point of View (which can turn into a clusterfuck when you are typing instead of real conversation)

With the above being said, I am going to wait and see how this situation plays out...but believe me, If the 3 above are guilty (and turn out to be scumbags) they will have to face wraith from coworkers besides courts and everything else...

9/6/2006 9:33:33 PM

This doesn't really surprise me.

[anecdote]

I was heading into town on Capital Blvd last week, driving about 5 over the speed limit in the left lane. An unmarked police vehicle came up behind me and began tailgating me, following close enough that I could not see the front of his hood in my rearview mirror. Traffic was fairly heavy at the time and about 2-3 minutes passed before I was able to move into the center lane so that he could pass. During the entire few minutes, the cop never left my rear end, nor did he flash his lights or anything to indicate that he was going to a call and needed to pass immediately. When I finally moved over, the cop began to pass me on the left. As he did, I looked over and gave him the finger. He immediately slowed, merged behind me, and rode my ass for about 5 minutes. He turned off at police HQ.

I have no doubt he ran my plates while he was back there. And, since he had the time to follow me for a couple of minutes, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't in a hurry to get anywhere.

[/anecdote]

Yes, I realize that giving a cop the middle finger was childish, but tailgaters piss me off to no end. I was doubly pissed that it was a police officer. I understand and appreciate the hard and dangerous work that the police do, but it pisses me off to no end when I see cops breaking the very rules they are paid to enforce. It's also bothers me that he was thin-skinned enough to spend 5 minutes of his day following me because I gave him the finger.

It's because of crap like that I don't give the cops benefit of the doubt when I read a story like this.

9/6/2006 9:35:56 PM

SourPatchin really really missed that guys point

9/6/2006 10:00:54 PM

Guys, I don't mean to make anybody nervous, but I heard John Baker reads The Wolf Web sometimes. . . .

9/6/2006 10:03:34 PM

that's good but considering Harrison is actually sheriff not Baker I think that we don't have to worry about much (and considering I know Harrison & family I don't have to worry about anything)...Oh wait what is that deputy doing outside my house...don't tow my car!!!!!! dammit!!!! come back here with my car!!!!!

9/6/2006 10:06:55 PM

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"e30ncsu: SourPatchin really really missed that guys point"

Did I?

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"SourPatchin: I get that; I totally understand concerns about the community's perception of the police force."

9/6/2006 10:15:03 PM

Bridget, you totally overreacted to the comments.

9/7/2006 12:14:35 AM

^Most likely, but this thread was boring as fuck, and I sensed an issue...

Quote :

"more than anything else whether or not they are guilty, situations like this tarnish the good LEOs out there...."

I'll not bother explaining why this particular post is way off because I've already done so. Surely people get it.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 3:06 AM. Reason : ]

9/7/2006 3:05:03 AM

I give credit for handling the incident professionally. Outside agencies/experts have the best chance of finding out what really happened. It also minimizes further damage that could be caused by public comment from investigators inside the department.

I do want to hear the second and third side of the story. What the article fails to mention is whether there were any witnesses (it seems there should be if it was outside a restaurant) and the original reasoning for investigating that vehicle.

9/7/2006 7:20:51 AM

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"MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE?"

You need to relax a little. More than anything else.

9/7/2006 7:21:17 AM

So, what I wanna know is. What the hell was the "victim" doing taking up 2 parking spaces???

On the news this morning, they were interviewing him and he said that the incident started when one of the officers came up to him and asked him to park his car correctly. He then REFUSED, and the tussel ensued.

I'm not saying that the guy deserved to get handled the way he was, but why would you park in two spots and then refuse to correct yourself when asked to do so?

9/7/2006 10:01:41 AM

^They were undercover. The victim probably thought it was just "some guy" and copped (pun) an attitude. I see people driving like crap all the time and they invariably get angry at me when I honk at them. They probably wouldn't cop an attitude or even pull the dumb maneuvers they pulled in the first place if I was driving in a marked police car.

That said I would imagine the cops would have told him that they were police officers when they asked him to move the vehicle.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 10:29 AM. Reason : -]

9/7/2006 10:27:10 AM

Yeah, if 3 people come up to me in parking lot and tell me to do anything, I'm going to tell them to fuck off if they aren't nice about it thinking that they are trying to start something. The difference between "Hey do you have change for a dollar?" and "Give me a dollar." is all in how you state your intentions. I'm sure if they had said "Sir I'm a police officer, here's my ID. I'm going to have to ask you to re-park your car, there is limited parking and you're taking up two spots." there would have never been a problem.

9/7/2006 11:41:17 AM

He might have refused to park his car again since he was leaving

I do competely agree that taking up two spaces is a dick move

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 4:43 PM. Reason : lkj]

9/7/2006 4:43:13 PM

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"I do competely agree that taking up two spaces is a dick move"

I dunno, I see quite a few woman doing it

9/7/2006 4:44:57 PM

well, I see many of us have learned one thing from today's 24 hr news media barrage: speculate wildly when you don't know all the facts

9/7/2006 4:48:52 PM

like we ever needed an excuse to do that

9/7/2006 5:14:59 PM

on the news, i believe the guy's vehicle was identified as an expedition. that's a pretty large car, and the spaces may have been narrow. i doubt the officers asked the minister to move his car in a polite tone. i'm guessing they demanded he do it. i'm also going to assume, the minisiter reacted in a confused manner, and probably said something like, "excuse me, but who are you?" and the officers were probably like, "just shut the fuck up and move your motherfuckin' car". then, the verbal argument begins, and that leads to the beating. yeah, that's what i imagine happened.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 7:35 PM. Reason : ]

9/7/2006 7:34:34 PM

^ yep

narcotic agents

yup

9/7/2006 7:41:54 PM

I do enjoy seeing people who were not there post their versions of how things went
Myself, like I said above, I am going to withhold judgement till all of the facts come out with the "3rd" side of the story....if they are guilty let 'em spend time in jail with some of the same people they put in there...if they are innocent then Mr. Wise needs to be held accountable...

9/7/2006 8:54:34 PM

This is what happened.

The minister was driving drunk and pulled into three parking spots. The cops called in a SWAT team and they broke down the back doors to the minister's suburban and stormed in from the back. The minister then snorted some coke he had on the dash board and started going Scarface on the SWAT team. The cops in the sniper positions then called in an air strike. The sniper on top of Denny's used infrared light to paint the target and 4 stealth bombers lit the place up. The minister then emerged from the wreckage like in the opening of Robocop 2 and started swearing out the few remaining cops. The three cops then beat him up.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 9:09 PM. Reason : -]

9/7/2006 9:08:27 PM

ALL THREE DEPUTIES HAVE RESIGNED.

I REPEAT, ALL THREE DEPUTIES RESIGNED!!!!

LET'S GET READY TO RUUUUUMMMMMBBLE!

9/13/2006 11:02:46 PM

o snap

9/13/2006 11:12:43 PM

The jury has found you guilty of bein a redneck,
whitebread, chickenshit motherfucker

9/13/2006 11:14:59 PM

Let's make it official...



http://www.wral.com/news/9841369/detail.html

Quote :

"RALEIGH, N.C. -- Three undercover deputies accused of harassing and beating a man outside a Garner restaurant have resigned, Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison announced Wednesday afternoon. Deputies Chris Roth, Katie Broda and Kevin Hinton, of their own volition, submitted their resignations to Harrison on Wednesday, he said. One is effective immediately; the other two are effective Friday. The alleged incident happened outside Applebee's on Aug. 26. Robert Wise, of Garner, said he, his wife and 11-year-old daughter were leaving the restaurant when a man came up to their car window, yelling at them about taking up two parking spaces. Wise said the man didn't identify himself as a law enforcement officer and tried to pull Wise out of the car. He said he was beaten, sprayed with pepper spray and handcuffed, and needed to be taken to a local hospital for treatment. "I would like to tell Mr. Wise and his family that I apologize for this incident, and we're going to move forward," said Harrison on Wednesday. However, Wise said that the resignations are only the beginning of what he said should happen to the former deputies. "The fact that they resigned is of no consequence to us," he said. "They need to be tried as criminals that they are, and they need to go to jail." Wise also said that the alleged beating in front of his family has had a continuing effect on his children. "My daughter is 11 years old, and just the other day, she was in the car with her mother," he said. "A police car drove by, and she said, 'Mommy, are they going to take us out of the car and beat us like they did Daddy?'" Harrison said that he in no way condoned the officers' alleged actions, but said that they had made a mistake. "This was something that just happened," he said. "We're human beings. We make mistakes; and we're going to learn from these mistakes and keep going." Prior to the accusations, Harrison said, the deputies involved had exemplary performance records and never had any problems. "I do want the citizens of this county to know, and the employees of this sheriff's office to know, that I will not tolerate any unprofessional conduct in this office," Harrison said. The State Bureau of Investigation and the Wake County district attorney's office are investigating the case at Harrison's request. District Attorney Colon Willoughby said it could be several weeks before he receives the SBI's report and decides whether to file criminal charges in the case. Roth had been with the sheriff's department for nine years, Hinton for seven and Broda for five, Harrison said. When asked if an apology from the former deputies themselves would make a difference to him, Wise said, "The question would be, would they mean the apology? Or will it be something they just did as formality?" Despite his recent troubles, Wise said he knows that there will eventually be a positive outcome. "The Bible says we know that all things work together for the good," he said. "So, there's some good that's going to come out of this.""

9/13/2006 11:26:08 PM

LET'S GET READY FOR JUUUUUUUSTICE!

(hopefully)

9/13/2006 11:29:23 PM

The cops created the problem when they took it upon themselves to fuss at him about his parking. It's a private parking lot, none of their business. They don't have the authority to make him park right unless somebody with the restaurant asked him to, he refused, then they called the cops. If that happened, they could come out there and trespass him.

But they were on a power trip and he gave them an important civics lesson. Hopefully other cops will learn from this.

9/14/2006 12:20:34 AM

^Hopefully other cops won't beat and mace innocent black men?

9/14/2006 12:28:12 AM

something like that...and that they can't do whatever they want just because they are cops.

9/14/2006 12:30:04 AM

Broda could get it

9/14/2006 12:44:28 AM

Quote :

"^Hopefully other cops won't beat and mace innocent black menpeople?"

9/14/2006 7:27:57 AM