The late Dr. Jane T. Christensen, North Carolina Wesleyan College:

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/archive/2005/April2005/APNCWesleyanProfWebsite042505.htm

9/8/2006 11:33:54 AM

I'm all for academic freedom, but when you teach a course with loaded words built right into the title, you've left academics behind and moved into retarded whacko territory.

9/8/2006 12:18:05 PM

liberals keep digging themselves deeper in the believability hole

9/8/2006 12:23:01 PM

I wonder what kind of Kennedy assassination conspiracy courses they had back in the mid to late 60s?

"11-22; First step in the Cuban invasion"

Or maybe a course on Roswell , NM:

"What big news story is the evil government trying to keep out of the news by making this an issue? 101"

9/8/2006 12:34:26 PM

Iran's looking nice this time of year...

9/8/2006 5:28:11 PM

Quote :

" The classroom where North Carolina Wesleyan College's only political science professor is teaching a course titled "9-11; The Road to Tyranny" has become the latest battlefront in the ongoing campus culture war."

http://www.ncwc.edu/Offices/Registrar/daysched2005sp.htm

NC Wesleyan College's Course Schedule from Spring 2005

POL 495 9/11 and the War on Terror Christensen 3 TTH 9:40 - 11:10 PC 272

In the first sentence, I have already found a misrepresentation/lie. Care for me to deconstruct the rest?

This so called "Students for Academic Freedom" is nothing but a conservative hate-tank to undermine academic diversity by trying to force colleges to eliminate anything but the conservative viewpoint from the curriculum.

9/8/2006 8:12:46 PM

I mean, if you can find an outright lie in the first line, whats the point of reading the rest? The name of the class is easily obtainable by anyone, especially someone writing an opinion editorial. It took me less than a minute. If you have an intellectual bone in your body, it should enrage you that someone outright lied to you in this article.

9/8/2006 9:05:27 PM

^Dude, the bitch died and her class was renamed.

Before she died, 9-11; The path to Tyranny is exactly what the class was called.

Here was her course description:

Quote :

"The events of September 11, 2001, indisputably changed the course of American politics and history. This course is offered so students may examine various events and policies leading to 911. In particular, this course will focus largely on the specific destruction in lower Manhattan and the Pentagon. We will examine the official story and analyze it critically. We will consider alternative explanations of what occurrred (sic) as well. 911 was a catalyst for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as the attack on civil liberties in the United States. We will examine each of these with a critical eye. The goal of this course is to arrive at a solid understanding of how 911 has shaped our political future and to promote critical analysis by students of this catastrophic event and its aftermath. This course is outside the scope of traditional "political science" in many ways. First it is "unscientific" in that it relies much on eyewitness accounts and speculation. Secondly, there is not yet a solid literature on the September 11 "attacks" or on the war on terrorism. This literature is emerging, particularly on the latter. Thirdly, this course will rely somewhat extensively on alternative news media accounts and a variety of films and videos in lieu of literature. "

This is a stupid class. Maybe it should be taught by Alex Jones and Cynthia McKinney.


[Edited on September 9, 2006 at 9:05 PM. Reason : 2]

9/9/2006 8:56:18 PM

Dr. Jane Christensen died in November 2005. For Spring 2006, the class was renamed:

POL 495 Civil Rights/ Civil Liberties Stevens, M 3 MWF 1:10 - 2:10 BA 236

http://www.ncwc.edu/Offices/Registrar/daysched2006sp.htm

I have yet to find any record about a course called "The Road to Tyranny" before or after her death.

9/10/2006 2:40:46 AM

"Died" in 2005, or was eliminated by the zionist controlled military industry?

9/10/2006 3:04:24 AM

What if I "deconstruct" your first post in this thread, Scuba Steve? You wrote, "This so called [sic] 'Students for Academic Freedom' [sic] is nothing but a conservative hate-tank to undermine academic diversity by trying to force colleges to eliminate anything but the conservative viewpoint from the curriculum."

First, "so-called" serves an adjectival purpose and therefore should be hyphenated, which you did not do in the post at issue. It is, however, a common mistake.

Second, the element following "so-called" should not be placed within quotation marks, as you did. This, too, is an oft-repeated solecism.

Third, part of your post concerning Students for Academic Freedom is beyond the pale: "[They exist] to undermine academic diversity by trying to force colleges to eliminate anything but the conservative viewpoint from the curriculum." Are you taking a serious position that the "conservative viewpoint" is OVERREPRESENTED on US college campuses? If not, the conservative viewpoint is in the minority and therefore should be promoted--if academic diversity truly is the goal. The model I have described is generally accepted for promoting "cultural diversity"; why does that model not also hold true for academic diversity, Scuba Steve?

9/11/2006 5:50:56 AM

Kevin Barrett, University of Wisconsin-Madison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmvGFVr6KNk

http://www.news.wisc.edu/12701.html

9/11/2006 7:59:21 AM

Dr. Steven Jones, physics professor, Brigham Young University:

http://floydanderson.gnn.tv/blogs/18273/BYU_Places_9_11_Truth_Professor_on_Paid_Leave

9/11/2006 10:16:52 AM

William Woodward, psychology professor, University of New Hampshire:

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/08/29/woodward

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060829-091613-7789r.htm

9/11/2006 10:24:06 AM

Quote :

"Scuba Steve: This so called "Students for Academic Freedom" is nothing but a conservative hate-tank to undermine academic diversity by trying to force colleges to eliminate anything but the conservative viewpoint from the curriculum."

Those evil AP writers and their diabolical plots!!1

rofl...

9/11/2006 10:26:59 AM

but i thought it was a well-known fact that such journalists were raging liberals?

they must be trying to trick us into thinking they love academic freedom!

9/11/2006 12:26:54 PM

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

9/11/2006 1:17:57 PM

Quote :

"The ironic part is that I'm a huge conspiracy nut, and even I can't stomach this bullshit. For example, I believe that there is a small, reptile-like creature called Chupacabra that sucks the blood of goats in Mexico. Area 51? Hell yes. Roswell? Pass me the Kool-Aid. But "Loose Change" elevates bullshit to an artform. Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid. "

hahaha

9/11/2006 1:30:54 PM

Quote :

"Those evil AP writers and their diabolical plots!!1 rofl... "

you want a rofl?

here is the whois for http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org

Administrative Contact :
Center for the Study of Popular Culture
r23466bp8t6@networksolutionsprivateregistration.com
ATTN: STUDENTSFORACADEMICFREEDOM.ORG
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
Phone: 570-708-8780

its basically run by David Horowitz, here is the wikipedia on him which is accurate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz#Academic_Bill_of_Rights

9/11/2006 11:09:30 PM

^^ I forgot who said that?

9/11/2006 11:54:12 PM

Wait a minute! Are you saying that El Chupacabra does NOT exist? Shit! It was all lies?!

Well, at least I don't have to go out with my phaser set to "KILL" anymore. It'll be safer that way.

9/12/2006 2:44:26 AM

Dr. James H. Fetzer, the co-chairman of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, retired professor-University of Minnesota at Duluth:

http://www.flexwiki.com/default.aspx/FlexWiki/Is%20Wikipedia%20Stifling%209%2011%20Truth.html

9/12/2006 3:00:56 AM

The quote came from the link right above it "best page in the universe" or whatever.

9/12/2006 6:59:38 AM

Also, I don't know how I feel about the Academic Freedom movement, but you can't cast it aside simply because David Horrowitz came up with and adamantly supports the idea.

Hate it based on its merits. Also, I don't think as a liberal you ought to hate academic freedom unless you can honestly say you'd feek the same way if universities had a 85/15 split of conservative professors (especially some pushing insane conspiracy theories like denying the holocaust)

If you would, gg on your intellectual consistency and then feel free to hate away.

9/12/2006 7:02:23 AM

Quote :

"Scuba Steve: you want a rofl? here is the whois for http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org"

that is indeed funny... but not quite as funny as missing the "Associated Press" in the first link... 

9/12/2006 8:23:02 AM

if you think horowitz is any more a hate monger than, say, a noam chomsky, then you're sorely mistaken



yea, but Axl, I don't AGREE with horowitz!!11

9/12/2006 9:51:14 AM

Horowitz is not the only reformed '60s radical. Harry Stein wrote a book, _How I Accidentally Joined the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy: (and Found Inner Peace)_, about his transformation from hippie to conservative.

Stein was convinced he was right to change after a few times being called a fascist and a McCarthyite by some of his so-called friends when he expressed views with which they did not agree. The book is a fascinating read; I recommend it.

9/13/2006 4:18:37 AM

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last" (Winston Churchill).

9/13/2006 4:27:59 AM

^
Two good examples of people whose political judgement never seems to improve as they jump from one unthinking orthodoxy to the next.

9/13/2006 5:09:54 PM

Surely you meant Horowitz and Stein, Wintermute, not Churchill, right? If so, you should have typed "^^."

So, if the two men at issue had remained so-called progressives, their orthodoxy would suit you, Wintermute? "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" (Winston Churchill).

9/14/2006 12:06:18 AM

I was referring to Stein and Horowitz but you can include Churchill in the mix too since he probably arrives at his politics in a similiar manner to the former two. If these men had arrived at their politics from a study of the historical, philosophical, and public policy merits of liberal or conservative positions then they would be reasonable people. But I've seen no evidence that they have. Stein path to conservativism seemed as shallow as his liberalism beforehand. He felt liked he was treated unfairly by liberals and unhappy with some liberal's hypocrasy. His conservativism seems more like an emotional response to liberals he dislikes than an intellectual conversion. Horowitz's political extremism hasn't changed, just the side he plays for. Do you think his Academic Bill of Rights is a good thing? Have you seen how state legislators are trying to implement it? In practice the legislation advocates a kind of conservative postmodernism where if you feel your opinions are not being respected by a professor you have cause to sue her.

9/14/2006 12:20:24 PM

An emotional and litigious society, oh my!

9/14/2006 9:01:05 PM

dude, look here

http://www.ncwc.edu/News/decree/Decree_vol21_4.pdf

thats the ncwc newsletter that goes out, it talks about christensens death, and search for the road to tyranny (which brings up the fact that she started that class before her death)

Quote :

"Quinan noted that Christensen taught courses in American politics and political science research methods and that she recently developed a course titled "9/11: The Road to Tyranny.""It recieved national attention for presenting controversial political material in the classroom.""

So Scuba Steve, I think you should better research before opening your mouth.

9/15/2006 12:55:36 AM

So, postmodernism is cool as long as it is rejecting and attacking a conservative modernism, Wintermute? Did you ever consider that the academic diversity movement represents a type of neopostmodernism, which rejects and attacks dogma, principles, and practices of established LIBERALISM?

Besides, you are merely offering us a version of poststructuralism. In the ether of such a world, anything can mean anything. But then, I am describing your disembodied world, am I not, Wintermute?

9/15/2006 11:24:38 PM

PS to Wintermute (I ALMOST forgot to address the Churchill comment. I will let Horowitz and Stein slide--for now): You are not even a flaky dried boil on an ass cheek of the mummified corpse of Sir Winston Churchill. Ponder a physics application on that.

9/15/2006 11:42:33 PM

Quote :

"hooksaw: So, postmodernism is cool as long as it is rejecting and attacking a conservative modernism, Wintermute?"

That's a total representation of what he said. He simply said that Stein's path was shallow, an emotional rejection of liberalism, less an embrace of conservatism. He didn't say that's something to go establishing a dogma out of for members of some political ideology.

Quote :

"hooksaw: Did you ever consider that the academic diversity movement represents a type of neopostmodernism, which rejects and attacks dogma, principles, and practices of established LIBERALISM?"

On what grounds? I'm curious. What are the charges?

I also don't recall seeing any points where Wintermute might've claimed to be on a par with Churchill. I fail to see the relevance of your comments.

9/16/2006 2:01:37 AM

Continue to fail to see, Gamecat. That's your problem.

9/16/2006 2:26:54 AM

I can't see relevance when you don't create any or explain it.

9/16/2006 2:39:39 AM

^^^ Gamecat, you posted the following: "That's a total representation of what he said." That is correct. So, we agree that I am right.

9/17/2006 4:15:15 AM