So the parents are suing the parking lot for a lack of security?

I got a feeling that if they somehow win this ridiculous lawsuit then we are gonna be facing a lot more tailgating restrictions in the future.


I think we should launch a campaign where we tell those parents to fuck off.

Im sorry your sons got killed and all but if they had more self control it wouldnt have happened and adding 1-2 more officers to the lot wouldn't have prevented a bullet from going through their head.

9/19/2006 10:43:25 AM

oh man

9/19/2006 10:44:23 AM

what tools

9/19/2006 10:44:43 AM

wtf, this should have happened years ago

now its just going to look like they are out for money

and more restrictions

9/19/2006 10:46:21 AM

Yeah, I read about this last week and saw only more trouble coming. Honestly, there really isn't anything that can be done to stop an action like this specific shooting.

9/19/2006 10:59:48 AM

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"Im sorry your sons got killed and all but if they had more self control it wouldnt have happened and adding 1-2 more officers to the lot wouldn't have prevented a bullet from going through their head."

1-2? Is this from an article somewhere or are you just conjecturing? I imagine 5-10 more per lot would have a significant impact on that situation. Had an officer saw the Johnsons driving through the lot like deranged lunatics, and dealt with them, this would have all been avoided.

9/19/2006 11:01:17 AM

i guess it took the parents this long to tally up the earning potential of their dead kids

and decide if it was financially worth it or not

9/19/2006 11:04:04 AM

Considering the game had started any excessive secuirty logically would have followed the fans towards the stadium. THere is little need for presence when 95% of the people are no longer in the lots.

9/19/2006 11:04:20 AM

^^^ yeah right

There already is a damn army of police at the games, but that does little to stop people from driving like idiots and acting like idiots. Adding more cops will not have much of an impact.

The parents are probably now suing because there is some statute of limitations.

[Edited on September 19, 2006 at 11:07 AM. Reason : ^^]

9/19/2006 11:07:27 AM

^I dont think thats true. I barely see any officers walking around the lots. There are several at the entrances that could be doing something else besides picking their noses, but the ones that walk around the lots are few and far between.

9/19/2006 11:13:21 AM

yeah, adding officers isn't going to help anything..

I mean the best thing they can do is eliminate people w/out parking passes (more than likely non-students) from entering the lot

[Edited on September 19, 2006 at 11:29 AM. Reason : sd]

9/19/2006 11:29:04 AM

i don't think the parents can really argue anything here. Their sons should not have been in that lot. They did not have tickets, they had no connection to NC State or Richmond, they had absolutely no reason to be in Raleigh at the Fairground lots that day. Therefore, they had no reasonable expectation of security. Had they been ticket holders, they would have been in the stadium and would not have therefore, been shot.

9/19/2006 11:37:14 AM

what? that makes no sense... how can you possibly govern who has a parking pass and who doesn't?

did you mean to eliminate people without tickets? that would make some sense, and be possible to manage.

however additional police would help... there is definitely the sense of lawlessness out there at times. obviously it can't prevent every possible incident out there, but it can bring some level of deterent to tailgating.

9/19/2006 11:37:44 AM

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"i don't think the parents can really argue anything here. Their sons should not have been in that lot. They did not have tickets, they had no connection to NC State or Richmond, they had absolutely no reason to be in Raleigh at the Fairground lots that day. Therefore, they had no reasonable expectation of security."

End of lawsuit IMO.

9/19/2006 11:40:12 AM

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"what? that makes no sense... how can you possibly govern who has a parking pass and who doesn't?"

the same way they do it now. You cannot enter the lot without a parking pass. What's so hard about that?

9/19/2006 11:40:31 AM

your opinion is all that matters anyway

9/19/2006 11:40:49 AM

yeah, but almost anyone can get a parking pass for the fairgounds lot. All they have to do is get it from a student.

9/19/2006 11:41:34 AM

They are hard to get, but they are easy to copy

9/19/2006 11:42:30 AM

Here's a hint to cops to avoid future incidents. Quit focusing on underage kids, wear your uniforms, focus on the real problems such as rowdy drunks.

9/19/2006 11:46:53 AM

hey man, i havent gotten ID checked all year, the cops ive walked by seem to be lookin around for more serious shit. leave that gay shit up to the ALE

9/19/2006 12:10:47 PM

^^There is a lot of truth to this. A visible i.e. uniformed police presence serves as a much stronger deterrent to crime than undercover ALE, etc.

9/19/2006 12:33:52 PM

i have actually never been ID'd either, but i've heard enough stories to know there is still too much emphasis on catching underage kids minding their business.

9/19/2006 12:59:36 PM

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"the same way they do it now. You cannot enter the lot without a parking pass. What's so hard about that?"

because most of the people randomly showing up in a parking lot are walking in from somewhere else. if you want to check every person walking in, then you now have a huge border to look after...

9/19/2006 1:47:38 PM

and remember that NCSU cut money for public safety at this year's games.... this includes, fire, ems, and law enforcment...

this was done after they paid a large $$$ to have a study done to compare NCSU football games to Duke and UNC about how much each spends in public safety, the study said NCSU paid too much, and therefore staffing was cut...

NCSU also had no control and is not responsible for providing anything to the surrounding lots, as they are not NCSU property. Now the lots are leased, and therefore they do have a responsibility to provide adequate public safety to them.

9/19/2006 2:02:52 PM

Try to think about it through their (the parents) perspective.
You would sue too

9/19/2006 2:11:00 PM

It still doesn't make it right.

9/19/2006 2:14:25 PM

If my drunkass son went around beating the fuck out of people and then eventually got shot i would NOT sue the parking lot that his drunkass was running around beating people up in.

Fuck these parents. If they ruin tailgating for the next 10 genereations of NC State students/fans then they deserve to rot in hell.


What is going to happen when the parking lot and the leasees realize that the potential law suits, insurance premiums are not worth it anymore. They will close the lots. All because of some overzealous parents that believe that just because their son is dead that the rest of the world should suffer.

There are starving kids in Malaysia they should be worrying about if they want to take up for a noble cause. All I'm asking is that we are allowed to drink beer in a parking lot. That's not too much.

[Edited on September 19, 2006 at 2:19 PM. Reason : a]

9/19/2006 2:14:32 PM

What we could do is find out where these parents live and tailgate in their yard.

9/19/2006 2:41:52 PM