On a world-wide scale? Not just you and your next door neighbor...

Obviously it can work on a regional basis in certain smaller areas, but how about the world as a whole? With the rise of a more fanatical side of Islam that is more widespread, or at the very least widely tolerated within the Islamic community, is it possible to live in peace?
Are the cultural/religious/societal differences between the modern Islamic world and the modern Western world too great to overcome?

9/20/2006 5:24:48 PM

Islam, just like Christianity, will be mostly conquered and subdued with monetary wealth. Once you see more per-capita dough flowing through the Middle East, you'll see more worship of the mighty dolla than the mighty Allah.

9/20/2006 5:26:21 PM

I agree, although I'd like to call it "toning it down" rather than worshipping the dollar.

9/20/2006 5:28:15 PM

It's not so much a worship of the dollar as it is a change of perspective. If you have no material or physical comforts, it's not such a bad idea to go to war. Things can't get much worse for you, not even in death. If you live a plush and decadent lifestyle, you're going to be much less likely to get off your ass for some religious violence.

9/20/2006 5:30:00 PM

I think either'd be great. Regardless of what ideological line in the sand you draw to its enabler.

^ Building on that (BOT-for future jargon), I'd say it applies also to: voting, writing informed editorials, volunteering for political campaigns, voicing informed dissent, and many other areas of society.

[Edited on September 20, 2006 at 5:33 PM. Reason : ...]

9/20/2006 5:31:19 PM

Oh man.

Wait till africans discover terrorism.

GL with that one.

9/20/2006 5:57:34 PM

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"Islam, just like Christianity, will be mostly conquered and subdued with monetary wealthinternet porn. "

fixed dis

9/20/2006 5:59:06 PM

[no]

9/20/2006 6:02:37 PM

no

9/20/2006 6:15:29 PM

I hope they can live in peace


because it would be terrible if the actions of some led to the extinction of others

9/20/2006 6:25:09 PM

Of course they can.

9/20/2006 6:36:26 PM

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"If you live a plush and decadent lifestyle, you're going to be much less likely to get off your ass for some religious violence."

i think that's the case with Americans in general, we can't understand the ease at which many mideastern muslims are provoked to public gesturing, protests, etc. -- christianity has become so commercialized to the point where a lot of the passion you see from the islamic side has been lost - seems like many people in this country are Christians because it's just what their parents were

but to answer the original questions, the extremists on all sides continue to ruin any chance of coexistence in the meantime, as is the norm in any case

9/20/2006 6:39:35 PM

no


ok yes, but you'd have to convert both the muslims and non muslims to non-religious

9/20/2006 7:20:33 PM

isnt irans supreme leader all the time saying down with the us and shit?

i say when stuff like that stops it would be a lot easier

9/20/2006 7:22:03 PM

ahmenijhad (sp?)? not really.

he's just like "Come on, quit being bitches and let us have nukes. Oh, and there needs to be no more Zionist State. What's the problem? Why you gotta break balls?"

9/20/2006 8:50:43 PM

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"supreme leader"

9/20/2006 8:51:32 PM

oh, you mean the actual ayatolla?

(i figured you just meant the president, since he's the one in the news all the time)

9/20/2006 9:21:35 PM

the reason is yes bc Islam is about the same thing as Christianity

9/20/2006 9:31:02 PM

It's an important distinction. We know fundamentally who the men behind the mask (President) are in Iran. Or at least, we can if we spend 5 minutes on Google. He's a figurehead for the clerics, whom he's overseeing gain the largest amount of power they've been able to grab within the Middle East in years.

Again, I think his goal may be more subtle. He may intend to capitalize on U.S. tensions and general discomfort at being in a diplomatically weak position by going balls to the wall after having a full nuclear capacity and then stopping within an inch just to try and drive our intelligence community insane.

9/20/2006 9:34:52 PM

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"the reason is yes bc Islam is about the same thing as Christianity"

They do pray to the same God, along with the jews... something I think the average person tends to forget. Can't tell you the number of times I've heard a "Christian" make some derogatory remark about "Allah"

9/20/2006 11:00:50 PM

how pissed would iran get if we assasinated their ayotollah(sp?) guy?

9/20/2006 11:13:16 PM

if you cant answer that on your own, you dont deserve to know

9/20/2006 11:53:46 PM

idk i think some shits gonna go off in no less than 10 years

9/21/2006 12:00:25 AM

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"They do pray to the same God, along with the jews... something I think the average person tends to forget. Can't tell you the number of times I've heard a "Christian" make some derogatory remark about "Allah""

The muslims CLAIM to worship the same God as Christians/Jews and they borrow our scriptures as part of their holy books but it isn't the same God. The God of Islam and the God of Christianity cannot be the same God.

In the Koran, "Allah" has already condemned those who are against him and has prepared a place in Hell for them.

In the Bible, God knows who ia saved and who is wicked but he loves all regardless because we are all God's children. Also, the Biblical God doesn't condemn anyone to hell. They condemn themselves by choosing to NOT follow God.

Unless God has a personality disorder, the God in the Koran and the God in the Bible aren't the same thing. There is too much of a difference in the way each book describes it's God's attitude and general character.

9/21/2006 1:23:32 AM

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"Unless God has a personality disorder"

Have you read the fucking OT!?

9/21/2006 1:24:47 AM

The God in the old testement is a wraithfull God while the God in the new testement is a loving and forgiving God. Few would argue they are different God's. Different persceptive on a similar teaching.

just a thought.

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 1:26 AM. Reason : ^ ha beat me]

9/21/2006 1:26:09 AM

^close

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 1:27 AM. Reason : .]

9/21/2006 1:26:57 AM

[you changed your post]

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 1:28 AM. Reason : .]

9/21/2006 1:27:49 AM

i'm pretty sure I know what we're talking about.

9/21/2006 1:28:58 AM

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"The God in the old testement is a wraithfull God while the God in the new testement is a loving and forgiving God. "

a very common misconception, but I assure you, it's incorrect.

9/21/2006 1:29:18 AM

The God of the old testament does a variety of subhuman, fucked up things.

9/21/2006 1:30:08 AM

^^ I read the books and thats what I took from it. I dont see how my opinion is and less valid than yours.

it would be silly to say that Christians and Muslims worship different God's because they dont. Its the same ideal just observed through a different lens.

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 1:32 AM. Reason : Q]

9/21/2006 1:30:35 AM

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"it would be silly to say that Christians and Muslims worship different God's because they dont. Its the same ideal just observed through a different lens."

What proof do you have that Christians and Muslims worship the same God besides similarities?

The Koran is more contradictary than the Old Testament could ever be.

9/21/2006 1:34:35 AM

idk man all signs point to yes with the whole religion is a $ham thing

9/21/2006 1:35:21 AM

the people of the old testament did alot of subhuman, fucked up things to merit that sort of treatment.


but nonetheless, God describes himself only once in the Bible, to Moses, right before the 10 commandments are issued. It's one of the few times that God speaks in the bible, and I think it serves to disprove the notion that somehow the Old Testament God was full of wrath, fire, and anger.

Exodus 34:
"The LORD, the LORD, a merciful and gracious God, slow to anger and rich in kindness and fidelity, continuing his kindness for a thousand generations, and forgiving wickedness and crime and sin; yet not declaring the guilty guiltless."


However, the theatrics of the old testament don't back this up, unless you view a helluva lot of people in the OT to be guilty... which, judging by many of the stories, they were... and remember, this is the time between the origination of sin (in eden) and the death of Christ... there was no real notion of salvation or redemption.

9/21/2006 1:37:23 AM

regardless of your opinions on the Koran, Muhammad was the old testement God's last prohet.

and does God not speak with Satan when they screw Job over. Would that not be God being in the old testement or am I confused with what your saying

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 1:40 AM. Reason : !]

9/21/2006 1:38:23 AM

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"the people of the old testament did alot of subhuman, fucked up things to merit that sort of treatment."

Job totally deserved it, and his family had it coming. I'm glad that whenever God and Satan get into a pissing contest, that God will allow Satan free reign.

9/21/2006 1:39:54 AM

9/21/2006 1:40:40 AM

Plus what the fuck is up with "Kill your son... NAW LOL JUST KIDDING"

What a fucked up deity

9/21/2006 1:43:09 AM

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"regardless of your opinions on the Koran, Muhammad was the old testement God's last prohet. and does God not speak with Satan when they screw Job over. Would that not be God being in the old testement or am I confused with what your saying"

There cannot be a prophet for the "old testament's God". Jesus came down to earth and was sacrificed for the sins of all people. There is no need for a prophet to come after this. The Bible teaches that what we need to know from here on out is written in the New Test. and there will be no more additions/contractions etc.. from the Word of God. Jesus is the Son of God and he has paved the way for salvation.

9/21/2006 1:47:52 AM

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"There is no need for a prophet to come after this."

Can we agree to throw Paul out, then? I'll have a lot more respect for you as a Christian if you say yes.

9/21/2006 1:49:21 AM

um.....if you believe that Jesus was a prophet it makes it pretty easy for Muhammad to be the last.

9/21/2006 1:50:10 AM

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"Plus what the fuck is up with "Kill your son... NAW LOL JUST KIDDING" What a fucked up deity"

How do we know what power God has over us? If he made us, the world, and universe, he can prevent you from killing someone. The whole point of that story is to show complete loyalty and reverence to God by making yourself sacrifice everything in this world in order to please God.

9/21/2006 1:50:41 AM

Jesus wasnt a prophet. He was IS the Son of God.

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 1:51 AM. Reason : .]

9/21/2006 1:51:29 AM

Well im sorry to tell you this but over a billion Muslims and Jews would say other wise.

and im not arguing who Jesus was because its pointless when Muslims grew out of a culture that did not believe Jesus was the savior.

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 1:53 AM. Reason : !]

9/21/2006 1:52:18 AM

Do you believe them?

9/21/2006 1:52:59 AM

It has no point what I believe when debating if the Old Testement, New Testement, and Koran Gods are the same or not

9/21/2006 1:54:15 AM

Then there is no point in arguing whether or not the three books have the same God.

9/21/2006 1:55:32 AM

ha that was wraped up quite nicely

9/21/2006 1:56:55 AM

pretty much

9/21/2006 1:58:50 AM