will include 3-5 30 story buildings

with the towers going up by crabtree this will be raleighs 3rd skyline (i mean it already has a few mid sizd buildings but this will make it denser) and the downtown skyline is also on the way up but thats a whole new story

raleighs booming

http://northhillsraleigh.com/east/wp-content/images/NorthHillsEastmaster.jpg
http://www.raleighing.com/2006/09/council_approve_1.html



[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 6:18 PM. Reason : that "fucking" link]

9/21/2006 5:54:10 PM

first of all, edit that fucking link right now

and second of all, Raleigh will not have anything that resembles a halfway decent skyline for the next 20 years

let it go already

9/21/2006 6:02:51 PM

i really could not figure out the economics of a 30 story building at crabtree. I thought the reason sky scrappers were build was because the opportunity cost of buying additional land exceeded the cost of building upward.

9/21/2006 6:06:54 PM

because theyre trying to artificially densify the city

9/21/2006 6:08:06 PM

^
Most of the city council was opposed to the location. They wanted it downtown, but ultimately they decided it was better to have than to have not. The builders decided to put it there and I can guarantee they don't give a damn about "artificial densification."

9/21/2006 6:12:31 PM

ahaha even when raleigh is trying to build upward it still contributes to sprawl

9/21/2006 6:16:41 PM

raleigh is a large city with lots of land and sprawl. nothing wrong with that. 3 skylines is nice. raleigh:charlotte what la:newyork



downtown is not the primary location its not the "center" of the city which is why you have sprawled skylines.

land right on six forks/440/northhills area is expensive too so there is somewhat a need to build up

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 6:22 PM. Reason : dont be jealous ujusw8]

9/21/2006 6:20:31 PM

no, there is a lot wrong with that.

9/21/2006 6:21:37 PM

[old]

9/21/2006 6:35:36 PM

as much as people (including me) like to talk about how quickly the raleigh skyline is coming along...

manhattan skyline circa 1880 pwns raleigh skyline today

9/21/2006 6:46:47 PM

if september 19th is old then sure [old]

9/21/2006 6:57:14 PM

That roundabout obliterates one of my favorite flat turns in Raleigh .

9/21/2006 7:07:12 PM

i cant figure out why they are building the biggest building in raleigh right in the flood plain of a crabtree creek which ALWAYS gets flooded

9/21/2006 8:02:17 PM

the lower levels will all be parking

9/21/2006 8:05:48 PM

every time raleigh gets flooded the first thing they go and video tape is the area EXACTLY where the biggest building in Raleigh is being built

somebody fucked up

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 8:07 PM. Reason : ]

9/21/2006 8:07:09 PM

I've lived in Raleigh all my life, almost 20 years now, and seen this place grow and develop. I remember when 540 was not next to my house, when it was a field. When Six Forks from Celebration Station to where I live was forests as well. Raleigh needs the new high rises downtown because I sure as hell do not want more fucken development around my house. Within the past 3 years, I have had neighborhoods sprouting up around my neighborhood boasting housing starting over 750,000. I live in a 30 year old ranch house, my neighborhood is about as old as my house is, we do not need these new neighborhoods around us increasing the value, making my parents spend an increased amount of money. These new developments are tearing down forests, whats next, tearing down Blue Jay Point to build a fucken Super Target. Build the high rises, condense the construction so we can still have trees and fields to play in, and to allow future generations to play in.

9/21/2006 9:37:13 PM

Quote :

"we do not need these new neighborhoods around us increasing the value"

what a dumbass.

"I DO NOT WANT MORE MONEY"

if you want fields, get out of raleigh. raleigh is a city and fields are just gravy but we dont need them. there will always be parks with many fields. undevloped patches of wild forest do nobody any good and are ugly.

besides future generations won't need forests...you soudn so stupid with that post it took me a while to realize it wasnt sarcasm.

9/21/2006 9:44:23 PM

forests are ugly?

9/21/2006 9:48:07 PM

most of the wild forest in raleigh is overgrown with ugly weeds and thick vines. a pure forest isnt ugly. devlopers build pure forest when they clear cut wild forest. everybody wins

9/21/2006 9:50:27 PM

very ugly

9/21/2006 9:50:41 PM

holy crow

9/21/2006 9:51:34 PM

Quote :

"most of the wild forest in raleigh is overgrown with ugly weeds and thick vines. a pure forest isnt ugly. devlopers build pure forest when they clear cut wild forest. everybody wins"

ahahahahahahahaha
ahahahaha
ha

hold on, sorry.

hahahahahahahahaha

that might be the dumbest thing i've ever read in the lounge. just so i understand clearly - to you, NATURAL FORESTS are ugly (those damn green plants and damn 100+ year old trees and their foliage!), and clear cut land with a few spots of trees is nice?

are you legally retarded?

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 10:05 PM. Reason : asdf]

9/21/2006 10:04:09 PM

Quote :

"are you legally retarded? "

you wouldn't need to ask that question if you had ever read any other of hcnguyen's posts

in fact, i know a few retarded people that would really take offense at the comparison



[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 10:26 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2006 10:25:00 PM

^^,^and i didnt say natural forests. i said raleighs wild forests. in many places wild forests are pure forests liek i spoke of that you can actually walk through. most of raleighs wild is overgrown with thick garbage.

raleigh is one of the greenest cities around. it actually lacks concrete and big buidlings






http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.485group.com/sc4/sc3k/Raleigh_Skyline.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.485group.com/sc4/sc3k/cities.php%3Fimage%3DRaleigh_Skyline&h=300&w=400&sz=51&hl=en&start=25&tbnid=3Y2l6JjPUzWwnM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Draleigh%2Bskyline%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

Quote :

"Sprawling suburbs below a canopy of trees more or less describes Raleigh, NC."

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 10:28 PM. Reason : my ideas are unique=i am retarded]

9/21/2006 10:27:07 PM

Quote :

"most of the wild forest in raleigh is overgrown with ugly weeds and thick vines. a pure forest isnt ugly. devlopers build pure forest when they clear cut wild forest. everybody wins"

its overgrown because its a second growth forest. that means that it was cleared and used as farmland for a period, abandoned, and then naturally filled back up with trees and undergrowth.

the "pure forest" that you're talking about is a first growth forest and isn't built by developers.

and yes, you are retarded.

^ please tell me that you understand the difference between a forest and landscaped tress in an urban area.

[your ideas are unique idiotic=you are retarded]

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 10:32 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2006 10:29:48 PM

landscaped trees in an urban area with designated parks (what raleigh is)

is much better than city city city then nothing outside the city

or,,,,urban area with no thickly landscaped canopy.

raleigh is green baby greeeenn

thats all you need.

[Edited on September 21, 2006 at 10:34 PM. Reason : raleigh is full of trees with designated forests=perfect.]

9/21/2006 10:32:58 PM

The kudzu and ivy make Raleigh trees look like shit... its everywhere.

9/21/2006 10:33:06 PM

somebody played a little too much fucking SimCity.

9/21/2006 10:34:21 PM

please tell me that you understand the difference between a forest and landscaped tress in an urban area

9/21/2006 10:34:30 PM

man now i miss simcity

this is a pretty unique idea though, especially with it not being in close proximity to downtown - nearly all of the high-rise condo boom is taking place downtown in charlotte

9/21/2006 10:38:20 PM

I'm sorry if my post confused some people that are ignorant to the fact that Raleigh actually has beautiful forests and fields. Yes, we are down at NC State, where shit is managed by the City, and alot of people put onto keeping the natural areas nice looking are in it to keep about the poverty line. I'm from Raleigh, but North Raleigh, where you will go and see acres and acres of trees. We have a 2 acre lot in North Raleigh, that is covered by probably 1.5 acres of trees and natural areas. If you are to tell me that is not beautiful, then you have a fucked up sense of what beauty really is. Capitalists in the past have not seen nature and forests for a beautiful place and an ecosystem sustaining different creatures. Take for example the 1800s and the early 1900s where people just cut down fields all over the United States and left the US with minimul forest lands until Roosevelt helped fix the problem. My point is, see the forests for what they are, they are great places where creatures make their homes in. How would you feel if something bigger than you came to your home town and bulldozed your house, just to put in some corporate store where they cared less about the people and the areas that were affected by this business and cared only about increasing their profits so they could buy another Aston Martin. By the way, I am a very harsh Republican so don't go off on telling me I'm a tree hugging son of a bitch, I'm just trying to look out for the future of the countryside and generations to come.

9/21/2006 11:35:36 PM

By objecting to the ability for someone to build an area to house a hundred people on a land that would usually hold just a couple of families inside the belt line is just stupid for our land management. Yes, it may not be attractive to perspective clients, but all you would have to do is drive them 10-15 minutes away from the high rises to places such as Blue Jay Point and other preserves and national areas just outside of the city limits to make them realize that we have both a great, urban area as well as a great rural areas in reach. These skyscrapers will sure make people rich, but by letting them expand into the rural areas surround Raleigh it will detract one of the great beauties that is Raleigh itself, the combination of rural and urban life.

9/21/2006 11:48:43 PM

Quote :

"i cant figure out why they are building the biggest building in raleigh right in the flood plain of a crabtree creek which ALWAYS gets flooded "

I wondered the same thing until I finally think I figured out why they did this.

Dr. Nau, A Structural Engineering professor, told us one day that there is a law in Raleigh (And I would assume all capitols) that no building built downtown can be tall enough to cast a shadow on the capitol building during winter solstice (The time when the sun is the lowest in the sky).

Looking back on it, I'm wondering if that factored into why they decided to build at Crabtree.

Supposedly they wanted to build the BB&T building taller than it is now, but the city wouldn't let them for this reason.



[Edited on September 22, 2006 at 12:06 AM. Reason : ]

9/22/2006 12:03:47 AM

SPEKING OF SOLSTICE. HAPPY VERNAL EQUINOX!

9/22/2006 12:28:37 AM

^you are an idiot


mdpaintbal, you might want to do yourself a favor and break up your posts if you want someone on here to really read and respond.

you do not have to post in paragraph form. please put some white space in those novels you are
typing

9/22/2006 8:59:01 AM

gg on breaking the thread

http://tinyurl.com

[Edited on September 22, 2006 at 9:57 AM. Reason : -]

9/22/2006 9:57:06 AM

Quote :

"HAPPY VERNAL EQUINOX!"

Fall equinox dumbass

9/22/2006 10:25:57 AM

Quote :

"Dr. Nau, A Structural Engineering professor, told us one day that there is a law in Raleigh (And I would assume all capitols) that no building built downtown can be tall enough to cast a shadow on the capitol building during winter solstice (The time when the sun is the lowest in the sky). "

that might be the silliest, most romantic idea of a 'law' still in the Raleigh books, but I'd believe it coming from dr. nau

9/22/2006 10:53:54 AM

sim city 4 graphics were used to prove a point in this thread...

9/22/2006 11:00:28 AM

that was sim city 3000

9/22/2006 12:00:01 PM

gunzz,
Yes I could, but I had been drinking a shit load of bud light last night and just a rampage followed. It
would not be so bad to read if hcnguyen hadn't posted the long URL. I'll break up my posts for now on
and not in paragraph form so people who are simple minded can read what I have to say.

9/22/2006 2:37:04 PM

I literally live equidistant from North Hills and Crabtree Valley Malls. They are just a few miles from my house, but I doubt I'd be able to see them from here. It will be interesting to see which one of these will become the center of Raleigh's new "MIDTOWN".

9/22/2006 8:24:22 PM

Oh yeh and the reason they wanted the Tower/Hotel at Crabtree was because many thought it was odd we had a state of the art sports venue w/o a decent hotel near it to attract major events. By putting the hotel at the corner of edwards mill and glenwood the rbc center would be less than 5 miles away (straight down edwards mill).

9/22/2006 8:29:52 PM

Quote :

"NATURAL FORESTS are ugly (those damn green plants and damn 100+ year old trees and their foliage!), and clear cut land with a few spots of trees is nice? are you legally retarded? "

Forests on private land should be cleared every few decades and replanted. After the trees mature there is no reason to let them keep growing(disease sets in and eventually they will no longer be useful as lumber.) Kudzu is another problem, as it is not native to this continent and grows at the rate of 1 foot per day, annihilating almost all other plants, including trees. The only way to eliminate it is to clear the area. The landowner cashes in on relatively useless land, cheap building materials are generated, the lumber companies replant, and everyone wins. Wood is a very renewable resource, but only if managed properly. I'm sure someone in Forestry could explain this better.

That said, the benefits to humanity of clearing a forest for a Costco parking lot are more debatable.

As someone mentioned, if you want green here, there's an enormous 6,000 acre park directly West of the beltline, stretching from Cary to North Raleigh.

9/22/2006 9:39:07 PM

you couldn't build a whole city that way in simcity 3000. you'd never get enough income from such a sparse tax base to build that freeway.

9/22/2006 10:03:11 PM

Quote :

"I literally live equidistant from North Hills and Crabtree Valley Malls. They are just a few miles from my house, but I doubt I'd be able to see them from here. It will be interesting to see which one of these will become the center of Raleigh's new "MIDTOWN"."

you live in a good location then

hold on to your crib

9/23/2006 12:28:01 AM

^


yeh notice north hills and crabtree are just north of the beltline. Put your fingers in btw them and go straight north. I am right by the northern tip of shelly lake park. If i lived a little closer i would definitely be in the moolah.

9/23/2006 1:34:47 AM