I'll let Chuck keep his job, but trestman has to go. I hate that dink and dunk offense.

example: Andre Brown and Tony Baker just ran the ball down the field, then AB scores. BC punts to us, and we have them on their heels. Right then we should run a little play action to AB/TB and let Evans throw it. Instead Trestman calls 3 straight dink and dunk plays, Run up the middle and then 2 short screen passes.

Let the athletes play. Evans can throw the ball down the field a little. Let Him. it would do wonders for the running backs.

The West Coast Offense hasnt run successfully since steve young was playing. Open it Up a little.

Or is their a reason we dont?

9/24/2006 5:39:44 PM

i think the next game will be a better indicator of any awful playcalling, he probably wanted evans to play it safe in his 1st start

9/24/2006 5:40:48 PM

dude

Evans was pretty brutal out there. Every throw was late and behind the receiver.

I thought Trestman did a great job hiding the QB and keeping the defense guessing even though we were severly limited as to what we can do on offense.

You guys dont realize that we CANT run up the middle.... for the most part the runs to the outside weren't working because they were just stringing us out all the way to the sideline.

When you cant throw the ball down the field and you cant run the ball up the middle, theres only so much you can do.

We needed to be conservative, that's what kept us in the game and gave us the best chance to win.

9/24/2006 5:42:01 PM

clock control

ball control

lead control


learn how to call plays and control every aspect of the game and thennnnnn maybe a high school will let you be an OC

otherwise let the man do his job, he knows a HELL of a lot more than you ever will about offenses.

9/24/2006 5:43:16 PM

You want to talk about bad coaching?

I'll give you bad coaching.

Going for 4th and 3 with a playcall that had about 1.2% chance of working.

How the hell do you expect to ever get three yards running the ball up the middle on fourth down? That might work if we had lepers playing on the d-line.

I am absolutely stunned that they didnt punt the ball, they had been pinning us with regularity. I know their kicker sucks, but even attempting a FG would have been a better option.

If you're gonna go for 4th down at least throw a shovel pass or something that has a CHANCE to work.

9/24/2006 5:48:18 PM

one word: wishbone

we have 3 running backs (4 if you want to count blackmon, 5 if you want to count davis). all are capable running backs. put stone back there, run the ball everytime. bring back the old nebraska offenses with tommy frazier, scott frost, eric crouch. albeit, we are nowhere close the old nebraska, we could at least try it. they dominated for years and years with a run only offense.

9/24/2006 5:53:09 PM

it's hard for a QB to do anything when his offensive line doesn't give him anytime to think.

9/24/2006 5:54:06 PM

^^^the bc oline had dominated the trenches alll day. and TOLL is the hardest man to stop short yardage in the country and has been that way for a few years. i thought they would get it.

9/24/2006 6:00:39 PM

okay but just so we're clear 3 yards is not "short yardage" on 4th down. Thats long as hell. With 11 men on the line practically its tough to fight for an inch, let alone 108 of them.

That was stupid anyway you slice it.

9/24/2006 6:05:37 PM

what about not calling a timeout at the end of the first half

we could have had the ball with about 55 seconds left instead of 17ish

Chuck pissed me off with that one...even if we do get the ball back after halftime





and the offense definitely looks better if we had a QB who is confident in throwing the ball

its not ideal, but it works a lot better with Evans just being in there compared to Stone or Davis

[Edited on September 24, 2006 at 6:11 PM. Reason : asdf]

9/24/2006 6:10:24 PM

how about 3 down and like an inch and we call a toss play to Andre Brown....why go 3 yards behind the line when you have an inch to go????

9/24/2006 6:33:02 PM

i dunno if u watched the game

but we couldnt run inside to save our lives but on the outside we were getting 10 yac

9/24/2006 6:36:33 PM

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"how about 3 down and like an inch and we call a toss play to Andre Brown....why go 3 yards behind the line when you have an inch to go????"

you can only bitch about that one if we didnt' get it

but this was the only play of the night that i felt stone should have been QB

9/24/2006 6:37:40 PM

everyone knows better than the guys who get paid to do it. evans played poorly and we don't have an offensive line, our options are pretty limited.

9/24/2006 6:51:20 PM

just to clarify when i said Evans was "brutal".

His physical tools are clearly limited. He doesn't have much arm strength and a lot of his passes get tipped at the line of scrimmage.

He thinks a really good game, he's got very good pocket presence.

His timing was horrible but thats something that should improve with practice. He was waiting until he SAW receivers make their cuts before he threw the ball and thats just too long to wait. After getting more reps in practice and getting more game experience that should improve. Without timing, the west coast offense doesn't work, and clearly he didn't have good timing.

FOr his first game ever playing and with such limited physical ability he played very well. I'd give him a B, even before the last drive. When coupled with the last drive which was flat out amazing, he gets an A.

Philip Rivers wasn't even much of a come from behind QB after his freshman year... that last drive was pretty fucking amazing when you really think about it. ~70 yards in ~40 seconds with no timeouts? Wow...

9/24/2006 6:57:29 PM

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"okay but just so we're clear 3 yards is not "short yardage" on 4th down. Thats long as hell. With 11 men on the line practically its tough to fight for an inch, let alone 108 of them. That was stupid anyway you slice it."

I'll agree that they should have went with something else, but it's hard to argue when it was nearly automatic that any run play they attempted netted positive (often at least 3) yards. How many times did we stop their runners in the back field last night, once, twice?

9/24/2006 7:01:40 PM

yeah but theres a big difference between getting three yards on 2nd and 8... than on 4th and 3

I mean we had the line completely stacked... theres a reason people pass nearly every possesion if its more than 3rd and 1....

9/24/2006 7:21:19 PM

bingo

9/24/2006 7:21:58 PM

the shmuck we had before trestman was horrible... 3 qb sneaks in a row anyone?

9/24/2006 7:31:56 PM

^ to be fair, Philip Rivers called the QB sneaks


but Mazzone was horrible beyond belief.

9/24/2006 7:36:45 PM

armchair quarterbacking

9/24/2006 7:39:40 PM

he may not have arm strength, but i dont care ill take a weaker arm for more completions. stone couldnt hit a man on a screen pass wirth shit. itd always be at his feet, or somewhere to where the receiver had to break stride and it would hold him up.....or throw him off balance and the D could get to the him before we could do shit. evans was really good at hitting those guys with more precision than ive seen over anyone whose played since phil

9/24/2006 7:40:23 PM

but he sure looks good at the Jets

9/24/2006 7:40:38 PM

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"I'll let Chuck keep his job"

thanks for letting him stay

9/24/2006 8:00:24 PM

what plays would you call if you were the oc for State, don't just complain give us your game plan!

9/24/2006 8:43:00 PM

wishbone set on first downs, run toss or pass option

2nd down go with a wishbone I formation or pro set for the short yards or pass protection or even an option

3rd down single back set trips right single man left for either pass or run

3rd and inches-1 yard I formation once again, power football

9/24/2006 8:47:35 PM

more of the plays we call when we are down in the 4th quarter (minus desperation). i like the plays they call now but they need to look upfield on 4th down sometimes and also do an occasional play action.

9/24/2006 8:47:42 PM

not even reading this damn thread... we won.. no one is perfect so shut the fuck up

9/24/2006 8:49:10 PM

I thought the play calling was fine.

9/24/2006 8:52:06 PM

oh i thnk the playcalling is great, its our execution that lacks at times. id like to see a good bit more of power football though.

9/24/2006 8:52:53 PM

I was more impressed with the play calling this game than in games past. Looks like we mixed it up a little bit more and actually passed over 3 yards.

9/24/2006 9:02:25 PM

yay, more people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about in regards to trestman.

9/24/2006 9:13:52 PM

totally agree superchevy

9/24/2006 9:43:21 PM

^^^That was a result of who was in at quarterback. Stone would automatically check down to a swing pass.

9/24/2006 9:55:07 PM

all this wishbone talk is cute but everyone knows the wishbone no longer works and thats why its been phased out of college football... defenses arent that slow anymore....

9/24/2006 9:55:47 PM

Play-calling was definitely fine... our execution came in bursts and was WAY off when off.

9/25/2006 1:35:32 AM

Oklahoma coaching great Barry Switzer has been controversially credited by many for having "perfected" the use of the wishbone offense. The wishbone's reliance on execution and discipline make it a favorite to this day of programs that routinely play opponents with superior size and speed, such as the Air Force Academy.


- Wikipedia


interesting ?

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 3:02 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2006 3:02:03 AM

hey guys, ive never played football, but i watch it on tv....can i act like i know how to run the team too?

9/25/2006 8:32:02 AM

I only wish we'd try a little trickery every now and then. Have we tried a reverse yet this year?

9/25/2006 9:01:43 AM

did you watch the game? Receiver in motion behind the QB, snap as the WR comes behind the QB, toss...

I mean, trickery? Maybe that's not it... but being conservative won us that game.

9/25/2006 9:13:00 AM

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"I thought the play calling was fine."

I think we still try to run up the middle a little too much, though it is important to do it every so often to keep them honest. Otherwise I don't think the playcalling was too atrocious.

Quote :

"I only wish we'd try a little trickery every now and then. Have we tried a reverse yet this year?"

Maybe when we get Blackman back?

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 9:51 AM. Reason : .]

9/25/2006 9:50:58 AM

MAYBE YOU'D PREFER GREAT PLAY CALLING AND A LOSS INSTEAD

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"ACC Standings ATLANTIC CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L Wake Forest 1-0 4-0 North Carolina State 1-0 2-2 Clemson 2-1 3-1 Florida State 1-1 3-1 Boston College 1-1 3-1 Maryland 0-0 3-1 "

9/25/2006 10:01:01 AM

honestly, some people on here probably would prefer that.

Like the people that would prefer up-tempo basketball losses to down-tempo wins.

9/25/2006 10:03:02 AM

heres how GREAT of a State fan EVroccck is

http://www.campusblender.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=240426

9/25/2006 10:06:23 AM

Yeah, i agree that the play calling was sub-par. On 3rd and short, you dont need to run a toss sweep play. You need to just either run a quarterback sneak or run the ball straight up the gut from the i-formation with a lead blocker.

First off we need to eliminate any running plays from the shotgun as well as any toss/sweep plays. We consistently lose 3-5 yards on those plays. If the idea of the toss play is to stretch the defense then we need to try some bubble screens to our wide receivers.

Just a suggestion, but I really like the way Georgia runs their offense. They run almost everything out of the power I, with a lead blocker, and they run play action off of the running game. I think our first and second down plays need to be similar to Georgia but I will concede in situations of 3rd and over 5 yards we should put Evans in the shotgun and let him pick apart the defense.

9/25/2006 10:22:28 AM

^^what an idiot.

[Edited on September 25, 2006 at 10:23 AM. Reason : ^]

9/25/2006 10:22:51 AM

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"First off we need to eliminate any running plays from the shotgun as well as any toss/sweep plays. We consistently lose 3-5 yards on those plays. If the idea of the toss play is to stretch the defense then we need to try some bubble screens to our wide receivers."

Are you serious? Our best running yards came from the toss. Also, you have to run from shotgun if you want to keep the other team honest.

Also, we need to run up the middle more, eventually by the forth quarter, the other teams defense will begin to tire. Running the ball isn't exactly something meant to do great things early on, but do great things late in the game.

9/25/2006 10:28:47 AM

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"Just a suggestion, but I really like the way Georgia runs their offense. They run almost everything out of the power I, with a lead blocker, and they run play action off of the running game. I think our first and second down plays need to be similar to Georgia but I will concede in situations of 3rd and over 5 yards we should put Evans in the shotgun and let him pick apart the defense."

compare UGA's o-line to ours.

9/25/2006 10:34:03 AM

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"Just a suggestion, but I really like the way Georgia runs their offense"

Georgia, who didn't score in the first 3 quarters against winless Colorado? Are you serious?

9/25/2006 11:05:19 AM

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"you can only bitch about that one if we didnt' get it but this was the only play of the night that i felt stone should have been QB"

No...If we would have got it, it is still a bad call...you have less than a yard, there is no reason to go behind the LOS...even with AB...sneak it... put Stone in to sneak it...

9/25/2006 12:06:17 PM