I cant even believe what im seeing out of this guy. He isn't very talented and yet he's out there firing the ball all over the field.

The amazing thing is he's doing the thing that really eluded Rivers his last three seasons.

He's WINNING games.

Rivers as good as he was just didn't get it done late usually.

For the first 3.5 quarters of any game I'd take Rivers, but with the game on the line Evans is a better QB.

I know it sounds absurd, but its true...

10/6/2006 9:44:41 AM

I think this is more of an Offensive Coordinator issue than P. Riv issue.

10/6/2006 9:46:52 AM

^ Agreed, P. Riv was great inspite of O-Coordinator (see Mazzoned)

10/6/2006 9:48:14 AM

^^^i think you may be jumping the gun a little.

forget about that 12-0 start a couple years back?

[Edited on October 6, 2006 at 9:48 AM. Reason : .]

10/6/2006 9:48:17 AM

win in maryland?

10/6/2006 9:49:11 AM

If Evans and Rivers got in a fight, Rivers would win. [/end of thread]

10/6/2006 9:51:51 AM

Also, part of the excitement I had while watching last night's game was knowing the whole team is better than when PR played. You could watch FSU's ensuing drive after one of our scoring drives, and know that the Defense had a chance at stopping the other team. Back in the PR days, there was little chance of that.

Oh, and you didn't have to worry that TA was going to fumble and fuck our whole offensive drive. Now that we have the B-B boys.

10/6/2006 9:52:59 AM

Quote :

"forget about that 12-0 start a couple years back?"

I remember like a 7-0 start (against awful teams that included a near-loss to Duke) in which we completely collapsed and lost to everyone to close out the season except for a Notre Dame team that had been getting hammered routinely and was without their QB for 90% of the game...

I remember how badly he struggled against UNC every year... i remember his senior year when he'd play great all game but not be able to get the go ahead score down the stretch.

Evans is ice cold on game winning drives.

Quote :

"Defense had a chance at stopping the other team. Back in the PR days, there was little chance of that."

Actually our defense in '02 was better than this years defense. But Rivers senior year the defense was absolutely horrible.


Thank god for Daniel Evans. I can't remember the last time I had fun at an NC State football game. That was a well played game by both teams that didnt suck to watch. Im seriously digging through the mental archives.... there hasnt been one good game at Carter Finley since Rivers senior year until last night. And ill give a little bit of consideration to the BC game but that game wasnt any good, just the miracle ending.

[Edited on October 6, 2006 at 10:02 AM. Reason : a]

10/6/2006 9:54:42 AM

Quote :

"He isn't very talented and yet he's out there firing the ball all over the field."

wtf are you smoking , it takes talent to go out there and throw 3 TD's and 0 INT's.

10/6/2006 10:14:39 AM

I dont mean he's not very talented compared to the undergrads in section 15.

I mean he's not very talented compared to Division I QB's



I realize he's more talented than me, you, and Jason Priestly.

[Edited on October 6, 2006 at 10:17 AM. Reason : a]

10/6/2006 10:16:56 AM

/thread

i watched evans tear up our high school, he's got skillz, dont be such a hater, i said daniel evans ever since he got here...

10/6/2006 10:17:42 AM

Quote :

"I dont mean he's not very talented compared to the undergrads in section 15. I mean he's not very talented compared to Division I QB's"

it still amazes me when people throw out the 'you couldn't do better' shit.

10/6/2006 10:21:29 AM

Rally, as usual you're off the mark, let me translate for you.

Quote :

"I remember like a 7-0 start "

9-0

Quote :

"in which we completely collapsed and lost to everyone to close out the season "

Won 17-7 against FSU

Quote :

"except for a Notre Dame team that had been getting hammered routinely and was without their QB for 90% of the game..."

Yes, it was Rivers fault Carlyle Holiday is a pussy. It was also his fault that Rivers torched the ND defense, going 22-28 for 228 yards and two TDs.

Quote :

"I remember how badly he struggled against UNC every year..."

Except of course when he beat UNC his freshmen year, on the road, with a shitty defense. Also smoked UNC on the road two years later 34-17. So every year = 2 outa 4. Someone failed statistics...

Quote :

" I remember his senior year when he'd play great all game but not be able to get the go ahead score down the stretch. "

Absolutely. He couldn't win the big games. Lets look at the numbers against the two best teams he played - OSU and FSU (both on the road.

36-52 for 315 yds, 4 passing TDs, 2 INTs
28-39 for 422 yds, 3 passing TDs and 1 rushing, 0 Ints


Oh yeah, and he got 21 and 92 yds of run support in those games respectively. There were also 1 and 3 fumbles lost, respectively.

At the Shoe, without Rivers we get massacured. Rivers was dodging tacklers before he finished his 7-step drop. With 2:30 left Rivers drove the offense 86 yards for the game tying score. Not NC State, not McClendon, not Amato. Philip Rivers put the team on his back and got us into overtime. Without him we don't have a chance, period. Lets not forget this is on national TV in front of +100,000 fans on the road.

Choke job my wolfcock...

FSU? More like a track meet. Rivers scorched the FSU defense all day. If not for 3 fumbles lost we win the game easily. FSU had 272 rushing yards in that game. The defense was getting mauled, and Rivers kept pace.... against one of the best defenses in country.

Then of course there's the NFL draft in 2004. You cited these EXACT reasons for why Rivers would not go in the 1st round. Now he's a starting NFL QB and is looking good.


I got 75 reasons you're still wrong about Rivers... one for every dollar I made when Rivers went 4th overall

10/6/2006 11:01:08 AM

Quote :

"forget about that 12-0 start a couple years back?"

haha a 12-0 start?

somebody doesnt watch much football

10/6/2006 11:01:09 AM

i remember a 9-0 start.

then dropping three straight

then beating FSU and ND to go 11-3

and that 4th place finish got us a parade!

10/6/2006 11:22:19 AM

I don't really think you put this one on Evans. Last night, if you take nearly any 1 of those amazing catches away, the outcome could have been very different (of course, if we wouldn't have gotten sorta fucked on the officiating, it would have been different too).

P. Riv could have thrown any of those balls, but he didn't have multiple recievers that could make athletic grabs like that. He had K. Rob one year, and then Jerricho might come up with a grab like those on occasion, but he for sure didn't have 2-3 guys that could just go up and take the ball away from a DB. That was the difference.

10/6/2006 11:25:55 AM

Forgot one...

Quote :

"except for a Notre Dame team that had been getting hammered routinely"

Yes, b/c routinely = twice. They lost a close game to BC, and got blown out by ::gasp:: the eventual national champions, the USC Trojans. To their credit they did beat three ranked teams, Maryland, FSU, and Pittsburgh. Yeah, they really sucked

[Edited on October 6, 2006 at 11:36 AM. Reason : Rivers for President ]

10/6/2006 11:34:13 AM

This thread makes me giggle. But I can see our bandwagon is growing larger now. What a phoney he is.

rallydurham; he seems like a different poster in this thread. Is it me? Or is it just me? This guy really dosn't know what he's talking about when it comes to sports. I mean, good gracious c'mon. Where is your credibility? This guy goes on ranting and stunting like he's evil dad-gom knievel. I don't think he should post here much longer. He hasn't been correct about anything yet. Fact. You're either with us or against us. Im clearly tired of you and people like you.

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"FSU is going to BURY us."

Quote :

"This is the year that FSU takes us to the woodshed, count on it."

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"FSU isn't going to need an offense against us because they will DOMINATE field position and start with the ball at the 50 on ~50% of their possessions."

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"We aren't going to be able to run on FSU worth a fuck... our run blocking was shit last year and itll be shit this year. Andre Brown is just a one man wrecking crew and gets his occasional big plays anyway."

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"And we wont even compete with FSU believe me."

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=430830&page=2

[Edited on October 6, 2006 at 12:27 PM. Reason : .]

10/6/2006 12:23:50 PM

hahaha

hey, at least he isn't stubborn and making bullshit excuses for why evans played well

10/6/2006 12:25:34 PM

wow y'all are just shitting on rallydurham because you don't like him. Pay attention to what he's saying, don't just dismiss the shit because you're a hater.


the fact is that from what Evans showed us last night, especially in the 4th quarter, he's one of the best "finishers" that i've seen play at NC State, including Rivers.

If I could form the perfect quarterback, i'd take Phil's ability and pocket presence, Dan's nerves, and Jamie Barnette's heart to make the SuperState Quarterback.

10/6/2006 12:29:33 PM

gd you're an idiot.

10/6/2006 12:32:59 PM

you kids need to shut the fuck up, what does it matter?

Rivers was amazing, Evans is gettin it done now. why the hell do we need to compare the two?

10/6/2006 12:33:33 PM

lol @ jamie barnett reference

[Edited on October 6, 2006 at 12:34 PM. Reason : lol]

10/6/2006 12:34:07 PM

because they played the same position

at the same school

in the same stadium

under the same coach

in front of the same crowd

about 3 years apart from each other.

10/6/2006 12:34:45 PM

with the same underwear

10/6/2006 12:35:22 PM

a little known fact, but yes, same underwear.

10/6/2006 12:35:40 PM

Yea Barnette definitely had heart (great reference)

but the thread was over after the second comment:

Quote :

"I think this is more of an Offensive Coordinator issue than P. Riv issue."

Please don't start comparing Evans to Rivers. PRiv started here 4 years straight and was the MAIN reason we were even remotely successful. While I see flashes of Rivers in Evans (his awareness, calm nature, and maturity), it is not fair to him to start this comparison. Strike it up again when he's a senior---

10/6/2006 12:54:01 PM

2 games people... 2 games


i remember last year, we all got so hyped up cuz Stone won his first couple starts cuz we were sick of Davis... dont get excited yet...

10/6/2006 12:55:20 PM

hahaha. i just have an awful (and apparently optimistic) memory.

10/6/2006 12:56:06 PM

Were talkin 'bout practice

10/6/2006 1:02:54 PM

This is an idiotic thread...

First... Evans is obviously talented.. he's playing division 1... and he's winning.

Evans is not a better end of game quarterback than Rivers. I really can't even believe I read that quote. Do you remember PR's first game as a freshman? If you don't let me remind you of the game winning touchdown pass against Indiana.

Like someone else said... Our overall talent level is much better now than it was 4-5 years ago. Our success over the past two games should show you one thing.. If you can have a balanced offense and a good defense you can win games. You don't have to have Philip Rivers to win (though I wish we did). I seem to remember Baltimore winning a superbowl with something named Trent Dilfer.

10/6/2006 1:07:20 PM

^ You hit right on the head. This thread is complete BS and anyone questioning Rivers' heart, poise, or end-of-game skills should be herded into a corner and beaten with a tire iron.


Seriously, where are the stats saying Rivers didn't finish? Wins and losses? Horse crap, teams win and lose games. Rivers was/is a great QB, but a great PLAYER does not beat a great team. All we have is stats, and the stats say Rivers WAS NC STATE FOOTBALL. He stubbornly put this school on the map, beat some great teams, and can be credited with building this program up so that players like Evans could come in and shine surrounded by heaps of talent.


You don't have to call Rivers the greatest QB ever, but you do need to give credit where credit is due.

10/6/2006 1:41:38 PM

Quote :

"Do you remember PR's first game as a freshman? If you don't let me remind you of the game winning touchdown pass against Indiana."

No but I remember us barely beating a shitass Arkansas State team in Overtime in his first game.

Evans is as cool as the other side of the pillow out there. I agree with Rally on this....he is the man when he has to be. Rivers could not ever lead us to the big victory.....see the QB sneaks at the 'Shoe.

10/6/2006 1:51:56 PM

wow, just wow.

10/6/2006 1:55:09 PM

the ND team we beat in 2002 or whatever definitely sucked...it was all smoke an mirrors

I can say that pretty confidently as a guy who would know. The offense was as bad as it gets in major college football

10/6/2006 2:02:51 PM

You guys are just idiots... And regarding the start to Rivers career....

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/090200aaf.html

Quote :

"Ray Robinson rushed for 139 yards and scored in the second overtime to propel North Carolina State to a 38-31 victory over Arkansas State on Saturday night. Chuck Amato, who took over the Wolfpack program after spending 18 years as an assistant coach at Florida State, won his first game as a head coach. N.C. State sealed the win when linebacker Edrick Smith recovered a fumble by quarterback Cleo Lemon on third down in the second overtime. The game also marked a prolific start to the career of N.C. State quarterback Philip Rivers. The 6-foot-5 freshman completed 29 of 57 passes for 397 yards and three touchdowns and set three single-game school records: most completions, attempts and yards by a first-year player. "

And in the 2nd game (since you were being an asshole)

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/090900aaa.html

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"Freshman Phillip Rivers passed for 401 yards and five touchdowns, three of them in the final quarter, as North Carolina State rallied to beat Indiana 41-38 on Saturday. The go-ahead touchdown came with 54 seconds to go on a 47-yard pass to Koren Robinson, then North Carolina State (2-0) got the victory when Terrence Holt blocked a 37-yard field-goal attempt by Indiana's Andy Payne that could have tied the game as time expired. Rivers was 31-for-52 and broke the N.C. State freshman records for completions, yardage and touchdowns he set last week in a double-overtime victory over Arkansas State, when he was 29-for-57 for 397 yards and three TDs. "

Now if you want to compare apples to apples... this is Rivers first two games. Based on pure quarterback performance who is better?? Why do I even have to ask that question?

10/6/2006 2:03:09 PM

Nobody is questioning Rivers' damn ability. The ability to put the game away is what Daniel has right now. I love Rivers as much as anyone and was actually there at the Arkansas State game and watched Indiana on TV so you don't have to tell me about it. I mean let's be honest, it was Arkansas State and Indiana....Evans just beat BC and FSU. Is Evans as good as Rivers was? Hell no. Evans is the leader and does what has to be done to win and I think that is the point of this thread.

10/6/2006 2:07:08 PM

But why would anyone freaking say he's better than Rivers with the game on the line?? That's just a stupid comment based on two games... In all honesty Evans got lucky against BC. Now he did put the ball out there but Dunlap doesn't come down with that catch more times than not. And I'm not knocking Evans.. I'm thrilled with the way he's playing, but the fact is that Daniel doesn't have to do as much for this team as Philip did for his first team. Daniel is doing what needs to be done to win and we should all be thrilled with that, but the overall talent level is far greater now than then. Lets not go overboard just yet.

10/6/2006 2:13:46 PM

And Indiana wasn't a terrible team that year with Randle El as a weapon. They were better than freaking Akron.

10/6/2006 2:15:17 PM

Quote :

"but the overall talent level is far greater now than then."

I don't see why people are saying that. Some people had us finishing last in our division and only winning 3 or 4 games. We lost a ton of talent from last year. In the Rivers' days we were putting about the same amount of players into the NFL. Look at our D this year, we have how many new starters? Brooks, Brown, Davis, Martin, Sutton, Morgan...I mean they are young. Rivers had Fisher, Burnette, Corey Smith, Martin, Chapman, Adrian Wilson, Maddux, Brian Williams.....in short the teams definetely had talent. IMO we are playing as a TEAM and that is why we are winning these games now.

10/6/2006 2:17:49 PM

I take back all my posts... Rivers sucked in end of game situations....

Fourth Game as starter...

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/092100aaa.html

Quote :

"Philip Rivers is quickly gaining folk hero status at North Carolina State. The freshman rallied the undefeated Wolfpack again, throwing three touchdown passes to Koren Robinson in a 30-23 overtime victory over Georgia Tech on Thursday night. "He's as tough of an 18-year-old quarterback that I've ever been around that has had to go out and perform," Wolfpack coach Chuck Amato said. "Just think what this youngster can do, not only for this year, but for this program for the next four years to help us get somewhere." The comeback by Rivers was the third in four games as the Wolfpack won their Atlantic Coast Conference opener and improved to 4-0 for the first time since 1994. "

10/6/2006 2:19:13 PM

^ that ga tech game was awesome

10/6/2006 2:22:06 PM

Quote :

"IMO we are playing as a TEAM"

That I will agree with...

We have much more talent at the WR position and luckily now we have someone to throw them the ball. Yes we had Koren and Jericho at different times but it was basically a one man show at that position. Stone couldn't make use of that talent for some reason. We also have much more talent at RB. I don't think anyone willl question that. Lastly we actually have a defense now. We don't need to score 30+ to win most games.

10/6/2006 2:23:28 PM

keep in mind that the original post did include thise line:

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"The amazing thing is he's doing the thing that really eluded Rivers his last three seasons."

i'm not saying evans = rivers by any means, but this is most definitely the best quarterback play we've seen in the post-rivers era, and that in itself is something to be excited about.

10/6/2006 2:29:11 PM

I watched the game on DVR last night and it was the most exciting game I have seen since I was a freshman at NC State

Daniel Evans has played brilliantly. He has transformed the team in ways I never could have imagined. This team has been in desperate need of a leader for over three years and the difference is absolutely amazing. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am actually excited to watch NC State football again.

I think the most wonderful thing about watching him play is that he just doesn't look like anyone who you'd pick first in gym class. He's pretty scrawny, he isn't all that strong, but he just has a knack for being able to get the ball in the hands of his recievers. He isn't fast or strong, but he is quick, smart, and confident. He keeps it simple and does what works. The most evident thing about him is just how much he loves the game and how badly he wants NC State to succeed.

I hope I'm not fooled, yet AGAIN, into thinking that this team is something special; but I seriously haven't seen State play well executed football in years. Who knows what can happen if things keep improving the way they have?

10/6/2006 2:38:30 PM

Good Lord...it is almost like our team is gasp, well-coached!

Amazing how one player turns a team around.

10/6/2006 2:39:55 PM

we've been dying for a leader

a coach can only do so much...

10/6/2006 2:42:51 PM

i think when people say evans has no talent they mean he has no nfl future. but you can sstill be a great college qb with no nfl future

dont say receivers because rivers had 2 nfl receivers

rivers had ta fumblin and rumblin but he also had a much better oline

evans has a better defense i agree but watching those old games we had like 7/11 guys on the field that are in the nfl now (maybe it was the d coordinator?/strategy back then or maybe we just had no dline)

adam kiker

the overall level of competition was higher back then with rives. fsu when they had rix thorpe jones and boulware was much better than this team that is 3-2 about to be unranked with wins over nobody

the 3 games we lost in 02 was because of several several key injuries at one time. and we lost to gt because the refs called holts interception out of bounds when it was clearly in on gts winning drive

10/6/2006 3:01:59 PM

I'm shocked you're surprised ....


see we here at nc state have the motto "blame the players when we win, blame the coaches when we lose."

it's obviously evans willing us to win, and not finally landing a quarterback with enough ability to preform some portion of the game plan.

fire amato imo




[Edited on October 6, 2006 at 3:07 PM. Reason : .]

10/6/2006 3:05:02 PM

amato is still an idiot

i was so embarassed with his interview after the game

10/6/2006 3:11:05 PM