pryderi Suspended 26647 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Americans trust the Democrats than the GOP on moral values and the war on terror. Fully 53 percent of Americans want the Democrats to win control of Congress next month, including 10 percent of Republicans, compared to just 35 percent who want the GOP to retain power. If the election were held today, 51 percent of likely voters would vote for the Democrat in their district versus 39 percent who would vote for the Republican. And while the race is closer among male voters (46 percent for the Democrats vs. 42 percent for the Republicans), the Democrats lead among women voters 56 to 34 percent." |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15167150/site/newsweek/
uh-oh...looks like the repugnicans have lost their terror card. They weren't playing with a full deck anyway, so good riddance to bad rubbish!10/7/2006 10:45:04 PM |
TGD All American 8912 Posts user info edit post |
up until north korea tests their nukes tomorrow... 10/7/2006 10:52:10 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
So are you hoping that some sort of discussion will follow or is this just another mindless "Republicans are evil" thread? 10/7/2006 10:59:24 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7781 Posts user info edit post |
another pryderi thread!!!
10/7/2006 11:06:13 PM |
Charybdisjim All American 5486 Posts user info edit post |
^^^
Ah yeah, that'll be another nail in the GOP coffin. "Bush in Quagmire in Iraq while Failing to Stop North Korean Nuclear Program." Sound like a reasonable headline? 10/7/2006 11:08:36 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
I don't trust the dems for reasons other than that 10/7/2006 11:25:56 PM |
jnpaul All American 9807 Posts user info edit post |
i trust the republicans
id rather have them than some fucking weirdo grown up hippies running the country 10/7/2006 11:29:42 PM |
moron All American 34024 Posts user info edit post |
Democrats are anything but hippies.
If NK tests a nuke, it would be easy to spin that against Bush too, and thus further hurting the Republicans. 10/7/2006 11:41:03 PM |
TGD All American 8912 Posts user info edit post |
just like that Osama tape in 2004? 10/7/2006 11:59:14 PM |
Charybdisjim All American 5486 Posts user info edit post |
That was a reminder that the threat people thought republicans were able to do a better job against was still out there. North Korea (and/or Iran) developing nuclear weapons would be a reminder that Bush attacked the one country on his "axis of evil" that actually couldn't have developed nuclear weapons in a decade while the other two seem to be getting away with it.
3 years of dogged persuit can be understood. 5 years of failure and incompetence are a little different. 10/8/2006 12:04:40 AM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""Republicans are evil" thread" |
very good point
i'm nowhere near being republican, but it does seem like every thread in here is a republican bashing thread10/8/2006 12:38:29 AM |
HockeyRoman All American 11811 Posts user info edit post |
It's actually a ruse to get Randy to pop up and shout either some Republican talking-point that he just heard from Bill or Rush or hear him spew some kind of anti-anything that isn't a neocon garbage. We need a good laugh in here from time to time. 10/8/2006 2:23:05 AM |
1337 b4k4 All American 10033 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Americans trust the Democrats. still haven't learned their lesson." |
10/8/2006 11:33:12 AM |
PinkandBlack Suspended 10517 Posts user info edit post |
What lesson? That the Democrats will not be tough on terror? How can you learn a lesson from an even that has yet to happen (ie: dem control during the "war on terror"). 10/8/2006 2:34:28 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
The failures of the last 6 years cannot be blamed on the democrats since they haven't been in control. 10/8/2006 2:39:04 PM |
theDuke866 All American 52750 Posts user info edit post |
nope. the Republicans have habitually fucked the dog for at least the last 4-5 years, and to some extent, a lot longer than that.
but i expect the Democrats to fuck the dog even more.
they'll all screw up foreign policy. Each side will try to enforce draconian measures where they aren't needed, and dogmatically support other things that don't warrant it. They'll all spend a metric shit ton of money--the Dems will rob us individually through the IRS to pay for it, and the GOP will just say "fuck it, put it on my tab. I'll worry about it later." 10/8/2006 2:46:07 PM |
PinkandBlack Suspended 10517 Posts user info edit post |
Well, if you're trying to say there are better measures we could take that don't involve throwing money at the problem, then I'll have to agree.
I doubt we agree on what those measures are, however.
[Edited on October 8, 2006 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .] 10/8/2006 2:59:45 PM |
nastoute All American 31058 Posts user info edit post |
wow
you must be a member of Optimist International 10/8/2006 3:00:25 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
theduke has anger problems 10/8/2006 3:47:21 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "the Dems will rob us individually through the IRS to pay for it" |
This is a misnomer. Under the democrats you won't see less money in your paycheck, that is unless you are making a shit ton of money each year. which I doubt since you are military.10/8/2006 4:13:47 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
if you make more than 200,000 i would be worried about loosing some cash.
that is not you 10/8/2006 4:22:19 PM |
Charybdisjim All American 5486 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "dogmatically support other things that don't warrant it. " |
Both parties are guilty of oversimplifying potentially meritous ideas into sound bites then dogmatically following the sound bite in place of the original idea.10/8/2006 4:26:01 PM |
SandSanta All American 22435 Posts user info edit post |
At this point the nation's politics are so polarized that I really don't expect anything different from a Democratic congress then a Republican congress.
In fact, the only reason I'd want Democrats in power as opposed to Republicans is because I want the Religous right to have its current federal power reduced.
Otherwise, both parties are a complete trainwreck of incompetence. 10/8/2006 4:49:55 PM |
bgmims All American 5895 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "This is a misnomer. Under the democrats you won't see less money in your paycheck, that is unless you are making a shit ton of money each year. which I doubt since you are military." |
Stick it to the rich. Those bastards.
Why is it that people keep calling democrats socialists?10/8/2006 7:39:29 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
socialism of the heart 10/8/2006 7:48:05 PM |
Charybdisjim All American 5486 Posts user info edit post |
Heh, you call a socialist a democrat and count how many big throbbing neck veins start bulging. 10/8/2006 8:15:42 PM |
bgmims All American 5895 Posts user info edit post |
See, I would like the religious zealots in the Republican Party to be dethroned as well. The problem is that I know the first thing the democrats are going to do is to keep spending around the same ridiculous level that it is now, but they'll levy huge taxes on the rich. There's no way they'll wake up and fix social security with the proper cuts and/or privatization. Instead, they will institute a cut to those in the highest levels of social security (and the medium-high, which is really the democrats favorite targets) and raise the taxes on the upper-middle class by raising the taxable income limit without raising benefits to offset it. The super-rich won't have to worry about this, because most of their income isn't taxable to social security (including the wonderful lawmakers of the Congress, btw).
Even though I'm poor as hell, I don't think sticking it to the rich and semi-rich should be the answer for everything. 10/9/2006 7:11:04 AM |
jbtilley All American 12791 Posts user info edit post |
It's starting to look like the Democrats will be running on the "we aren't them" platform again this year. 10/9/2006 7:27:03 AM |
bgmims All American 5895 Posts user info edit post |
^Well, that's kind of the only thing they got REALLY going for them. 10/9/2006 7:34:43 AM |
State409c Suspended 19558 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/09/married.moms.ap/index.html?section=cnn_allpolitics
GOP losing married moms 10/9/2006 2:38:51 PM |
nutsmackr All American 46641 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Stick it to the rich. Those bastards.
Why is it that people keep calling democrats socialists?" |
I don't know. Maybe it's because the rich get rich off the backs of the working class. Also, the wealth gap in this country is getting larger, not smaller.10/9/2006 2:57:22 PM |
bgmims All American 5895 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I don't know. Maybe it's because the rich get rich off the backs of the working class. Also, the wealth gap in this country is getting larger, not smaller." |
Yes, you're totally right. The rich don't create jobs for people, they simply buy slaves and force them to work at those wages and people aren't ANY better off because great products are available.
You lose at life if you really think everyone getting rich does so to the detriment of others. Wealth is not a zero-sum game.
And who cares if the wealth gap is getting larger or smaller? To me, the wealth gap getting larger would only cause me any concern if the entreprenuerial gap were closing at the same time. As it is, the rich still tend to create the most jobs and products, so who gives a flying fuck?10/9/2006 3:00:30 PM |
moron All American 34024 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "As it is, the rich still tend to create the most jobs and products, so who gives a flying fuck?" |
How is it possible for things to be any other way? That's like a redundant statement, or something.
I would like to see a poor person try to employ someone.
The growing gap between the rich and poor IS something to be concerned about, and is one of the signs that Marx says will come before a social uprising (I doubt it'll get that bad, but you'll see poor people start to do crazy things like voting and stuff).10/9/2006 3:14:07 PM |
bgmims All American 5895 Posts user info edit post |
lol, I like how the income gap is a sign that the people will rise up
What should we do about it? Redistribute the wealth, so they don't have to get off their lazy asses, that's what.
It is very possible for a poor person to employ others. They have to have a product or service that people will pay for and they have to hire others and go out there and offer it. It really is a simple process. It isn't EASY, but it is possible and that is what drives wealth creation. 10/9/2006 3:19:26 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
redistribution of wealth will will increase people's buying and saving ability thus making the rich whos money was taken richer. We arnt taking money from middle class people, we are giving it to them with free health care and other services. how is this any less crazy than the trickle down effect? trickle up? 10/9/2006 4:51:57 PM |
moron All American 34024 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It is very possible for a poor person to employ others. They have to have a product or service that people will pay for and they have to hire others and go out there and offer it. It really is a simple process. It isn't EASY, but it is possible and that is what drives wealth creation." |
It's far more complex and interwoven than you make it out to be in that paragraph. The solution isn't to redistribute the wealth.
You have to look at the reasons that people in certain levels continue to fail (social issues like access to safe neighborhoods, equality, good, fair education standards, etc.). What is your proposal, just let the gap grow?10/9/2006 4:55:20 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The growing gap between the rich and poor IS something to be concerned about, and is one of the signs that Marx says will come before a social uprising (I doubt it'll get that bad, but you'll see poor people start to do crazy things like voting and stuff)." |
have you thought that maybe part of the reason that the gap is growing is because the poor continue to NOT work or achieve while the middle and upper class continue to work to try to improve themselves10/9/2006 5:38:41 PM |
moron All American 34024 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, but WHY are they continuing to not work and achieve? 10/9/2006 5:41:16 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
you liberals and your questions 10/9/2006 6:07:28 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
various reasons
their rims are more important than moving out of the hood
their truck and bass boat is more important than moving out of the trailer park
they don't get a good education which carries them further in life
lack of parenting
to name a few
I'm sorry, I don't think it's mine or anyone elses responsibility but their own, I have myself and my family to look after as it is... and thats without the government beating down my door to give me shit for free
see, I actually want to be rich, I don't want to be comfortable, I want to be rich
I want the big yacht, I want the pimp ass beach house, I want the mountain retreat... and I will do everything in my power thats ethical and legal to get there
too many people strive for mediocrity
[Edited on October 9, 2006 at 6:31 PM. Reason : .] 10/9/2006 6:29:24 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
its our country, shouldnt it be our problem as well.
we shouldnt have an "its them not me" mentality.
[Edited on October 9, 2006 at 6:32 PM. Reason : and then others strive for excess which is not needed.] 10/9/2006 6:31:44 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
why is it not needed
why do people feel like "well I don't wanna be rich, so neither should he?"
I think rich people should donate money and time to people that need it
it's the RIGHT thing to do 10/9/2006 6:35:53 PM |
Shaggy All American 17820 Posts user info edit post |
i trust the democrats as much as i trust the republicans 10/9/2006 6:44:27 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
alot of people realize that having a yacht the size of a large house and multiple houses throughout the world is not helping anyone and is just a waste of space.
and I dont trust people to begin with why should I trust a rich dude is going to donate money to help people.
also this isnt a democrates vs republicans thing 10/9/2006 6:57:35 PM |
pwrstrkdf250 Suspended 60006 Posts user info edit post |
well sorry, I guess we just have differences of opinion
and no it has nothing to do with pub vs dem... there are more than enough filthy rich liberals
Quote : | "alot of people realize that having a yacht the size of a large house and multiple houses throughout the world is not helping anyone and is just a waste of space. " |
once again, I ask... how is it your place, or anyone elses to tell me what is and is not appropriate for me to own. Maybe I want to own the yacht for my sportfishing business.
What makes people think it's ok to tell me what I can and can't do with my money?
I wouldn't give a damn if you went out and bought a yacht or a beach house, hell, I'd be like,"congrats, that pretty nice,maybe I'll own something like that one day if I keep working".
Quote : | "and I dont trust people to begin with why should I trust a rich dude is going to donate money to help people" |
and I dont trust people the government to begin with why should I trust a rich dude the government is going to donate money to help people10/9/2006 7:19:25 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
I dont trust the government either. This is my fundametally why im fucked up.
and if you want a yacht for your sportfishing business I think thats great its just when you buy one to lay on and float around the Atlantic is when its pointless. 10/9/2006 8:11:58 PM |
BigPapa All American 4727 Posts user info edit post |
I thought this quote from a dramatic TV series pretty much somes up Democrats since 2000
Quote : | "I would make fun of Democrats if they would just do something" |
Democrats just like sitting on the sideline playing spectator and I think its going to keep them in minority in both houses. Sure I think they are going to pick up seats but they will not gain control.10/9/2006 9:27:31 PM |
theDuke866 All American 52750 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I don't know. Maybe it's because the rich get rich off the backs of the working class. Also, the wealth gap in this country is getting larger, not smaller.
" |
I'll go out on a limb and say that FAR more people get rich through disciplined investing than through making a huge salary off "the backs of the working class".
not that making money because you have people working for you is a bad thing.
Quote : | "see, I actually want to be rich, I don't want to be comfortable, I want to be rich
I want the big yacht, I want the pimp ass beach house, I want the mountain retreat... and I will do everything in my power thats ethical and legal to get there
too many people strive for mediocrity" |
yep, same here...and most people don't have that drive. i mean, they want to be rich, but they won't take the steps needed (work hard, save and invest instead of spend, and be willing to take calculated risks) to do it.
that's fine--working for a living and staying in the middle class isn't BAD...but i shouldn't be punished for reaching for the top.
Quote : | " and then others strive for excess which is not needed" |
Need has nothing to do with it. I don't need half of the shit that I have. I could drive a Civic hatchback, live in a studio apartment, never go out to eat, etc...but no, I like fast cars, fast motorcycles, fast jet skis, nicer houses, vacations, nice restaurants, unnecessary gadgets, etc...and I only plan on those indulgences growing as I make more and more money...until I eventually have invested enough that my money is making me more money than I spend.
Quote : | "alot of people realize that having a yacht the size of a large house and multiple houses throughout the world is not helping anyone and is just a waste of space.
and I dont trust people to begin with why should I trust a rich dude is going to donate money to help people." |
well, look at Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, not to mention tons of other rich people.
Hell, I have a montly allotment drawn from my pay to support http://www.nurturingnetwork.org, and have done the same for other charities in the past...and I'm FAR from "rich". Once I get really rich, I'll donate a LOT of money...I just have to get to the point where my money can effectively do all the work for me before I give too much of it away.10/9/2006 9:39:54 PM |
TKEshultz All American 7327 Posts user info edit post |
it's easy to blame republicans / president bush for everything that goes wrong when you're an illminded puppet for the left-wing pinko media 10/10/2006 3:01:09 AM |
Lumex All American 3666 Posts user info edit post |
You guys are making too big a deal about welfare. Its no longer a huge part of the democratic party's agenda. If anything, its on the religious right's agenda. 10/10/2006 3:26:38 AM |