anyone read this? I just picked it up to get caught up on my area roundball history since it was an afterthought back home...


pretty good so far. Interesting part early on where it says that football was by far the biggest sport in NC, especially at Duke, and that basically NC State gave up on football and decided that they would try to dominate at bball since no one really cared about it that much yet... so they hired Everett Case out of Indiana and dominated for about a decade but then Carolina and Duke got tired of losing so they decided to start concentrating on bball as well.

11/22/2006 1:13:52 PM

duh

11/22/2006 1:18:36 PM

fire chuck

11/22/2006 1:19:22 PM

reverse that for football now and thats what we TRIED to do...too bad it didnt work.

I really wanna get that Jimmy V book, They gave me a lifetime contract

anyone know where i can get it?

or the Personal fouls one

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 1:23 PM. Reason : d]

11/22/2006 1:20:06 PM

I saw a book at an Emerald Isle bookstore titled

The Big Four:How NCSU,UNC,Duke and Wake Forest changed the world of college basketball

11/22/2006 1:28:01 PM

yeah, I;ve seen that one too...



I just thought that bball was always big here...

11/22/2006 1:31:40 PM

anyone ever read the V books?

I just ordered Valvano by Curry Kirkpatrick

should I get this V & Me one?

I really want his autobiography but noooo clue where to get it.

11/22/2006 1:34:58 PM

^ NC State bookstore

11/22/2006 1:38:34 PM

jk I just got it off amazon for one cent

yes thats right, one cent. Hardback and jacket and all...thats amazing.


http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=366519&page=2

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 1:55 PM. Reason : o]

11/22/2006 1:41:38 PM

Quote :

"The Big Four:How NCSU,UNC,Duke and Wake Forest changed the world of college basketball"

I think you're combining two titles.


From what I've seen, theres:

1) Four Corners: How UNC, N.C.State, Duke, and Wake Forest made North Carolina the Center of the Basketball Universe ~ Joe (Menzer?)

2) Tobacco Road: Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Wake Forest , and the History of the Most Intense Backyard Rivalries in Sports. ~ Al Featherston (This is kind of a bad title. The book is entirely about Tobacco Road... the title makes it sound like it's covering all 'backyard' rivalries IMO)

I've read both of these.... both are good, but I'd have to say Featherston's is a little better. It's kinda like reading the same book twice, but I think Featherston laid it out a little better and goes into more detail.

From the Link Above, I mentioned them in that thread







[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 2:06 PM. Reason : photos]

11/22/2006 1:59:57 PM

^that first book is the one I was thinking about.

11/22/2006 2:00:54 PM

Also, in the link posted above... the topic starter talked about "A March To Madness"

That's a great great book for anyone who enjoys sports reading. Not about NC State, but a great book nonetheless

11/22/2006 2:03:41 PM

have u read any of the V books?

which one do u recommend if you have

not that it matters i just bought the gave me a lifetime and the one by Kirkpatrick, good reads?

11/22/2006 2:07:46 PM

I have The Big Four, its a really good book, i enjoyed reading it and want to read Blue Blood next

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 2:25 PM. Reason : /]

11/22/2006 2:24:56 PM

Quote :

"have u read any of the V books? which one do u recommend if you have"

I have only read "V and Me". It's very good, but more of a 'bathroom book' than the sit-down reader. It's completely comprised of various folks' (K, Vitale, Lowe, etc.) favorite story they remember about Jim Valvano.

It's a hilarious book, but really doesn't tell the story of his rise and fall.

As far as "They gave me a lifetime contract then left me for dead" or whatever the name is, I have not read it yet. I do want to.

My girlfriend just gave me "The Gifts of Jimmy V" for my birthday (Written by his brother), but I haven't started it.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 3:40 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2006 3:39:39 PM

haha, they make Krzyzewski out to be a whiney bitch so far, especially with the refs, yelling at them during the game: "you cost us this game, good job"

11/22/2006 5:48:09 PM

^ thats what he always looks like he is doing, anytime they are losing

11/22/2006 6:20:50 PM

Quote :

"In 1988, when the twenty-three thousand-seat Charlotte Coliseum opened, locally owned TV syndicator Raycom (founded by UNC grad Rick Ray) invented the Tournament of Champions in which Carolina and N.C. State alternated hosting three intersectional teams every other year. Big crowds came only in the years when the Tar Heels played, and Raycom soon dropped State as a host."

Quote :

"State, which had ridden on Carolina's coatails and took home half the net gate for more than twenty-five years, was bitter"

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 8:14 PM. Reason : d]

11/22/2006 8:12:51 PM

whoa, didnt know Case was dirty as hell when it came to recruiting

11/23/2006 10:23:56 PM

So was everyone else in the '50s.

Dean Smith's biography has some very interesting bits about Frank McGuire's "recruiting"--he had guys working for him in NYC that just sent him players.

11/23/2006 10:53:23 PM

Ive met Art Chansky, he's an ass.

11/23/2006 10:56:39 PM

^^ yeah, he talked about his "Underground Railroad"


Chansky basically makes it sound like State and Carolina were the big, bad state funded school with no ethics, and that Duke and WF were the white knights, playing by the book

11/23/2006 11:20:11 PM

Quote :

"After the 1968 ACC Tournament, UNC and Duke were tied with 913 all-time wins. While fourth-ranked Tar Heels, who had now taken home two straight ACC regular-season and tournament titles, earned another NCAA bid, the Blue Devils were fading. They went back to the NIT and were involved in two shockers. In their opener, they were beating Oklahoma City so badly that the Indians' outrageous coach, Abe Lemons, kept his team on the court at halftime and scrimmaged "shirts and skins" to the amazement of the Madison Square Garden crowd. Then Duke got shocked, itself, by tiny St. Peters in the second round to finish the season 22-6"

11/30/2006 6:47:36 PM

give some love to my thread, yo

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=366519&page=2#9281659

i love acc history books, way better than real ones

11/30/2006 6:52:01 PM

I've had the luxury (if you call it a luxury) of eating dinner with Art in his house, they are family friends of my girlfriends family , so I hear about/see him alot

11/30/2006 7:04:08 PM

Ah, time has flwon by, to think that UNC and Duke came into greatness is the biggest fallacy I've heard form young people today. Duke wasn't good until about 1985, K only took over in 81, and they were awful before that. And tell me just how Wake Forest with ZERO final four appearances in 35 years has shaped college basketball in North Carolina. And for the guy who didn't know about dirty recruiting, we were undefeated in 1973 but were on probation, many say that was our best team, not the 74 team.

11/30/2006 7:13:34 PM

of the ncsu basketball realated books i can remember off the top of my head:
4 corners is def worth the read
v and me is a quick read
personal fouls is trash
they gave me a life contract is worth the read - written in response to personal fouls
skywalker reads like a 4th grader wrote it
legends of nc state basketball is worth reading
i remember jim valvano is quick, but good
sloan's book (i can't remember the name) is more about his time at florida/citadel than ncsu

11/30/2006 7:17:13 PM

^^ Duke was FAR from horrible before 1981. I had heard that from a lot of State fans and believed it, but learned the truth...they werent that good during the years immediately leading up to Coach K arriving, but before that they were pretty good, not as good as they have been in the last 20 years, but FAR from horrible.

I think they won 4 straight regular season acc titles during the 60s, 3 out of 4 tourny titles etc.

Let see, Coach K arrived in 81, the first acc title was given out in '54, so thats 27 years...during that time they had 6 tourny titles, 7 regular season titles, not amazing, but far from horrible

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 7:59 PM. Reason : d]

11/30/2006 7:49:24 PM