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1/9/2007 8:10:39 PM

It starts with recruiting a true point guard.

And I guarantee it won't take Sid 10 years to do it.

1/9/2007 8:16:12 PM

thanks to herb

you stupid mother fucker

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 8:43 PM. Reason : but hey it may take him 10 years to beat clemson!!!!! flashy!!!!!]

1/9/2007 8:37:03 PM

What the hell does Herb have to do with this game?

1/9/2007 8:47:03 PM

nothing at all

just frustrated

1/9/2007 8:48:03 PM

Fells sucks
Grant sucks
McCauley sucks
Atsur sucks
Costner sucks


....ALL HERB RECRUITS. see what i'm saying!!!!

1/10/2007 12:01:38 AM

How did it take Herb ten years to recruit a true PG when the first recruit he signed was Justin Gainey, our best PG in recent memory????



I hate some of you so much.

1/10/2007 12:15:57 AM

McCauley doesn't suck. He may be the only one that doesn't play with his head up his ass the entire game. The man works hard in the post on Off. and has his hands tied due to depth on D.

Costner's the best player in the country with 1:30 left down 20.

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 12:20 AM. Reason : ']

1/10/2007 12:18:05 AM

^ haha


In case some of the younger fans dont get that joke...

Gainey was a local unrecruited scrub that we thrust into the PG spot because we had no alternative. He was basically in the same situation Daniel Evans was in.

Gainey played his heart out and actually had an okay career considering how limited his talent was.

1/10/2007 12:18:29 AM

Haha Herb went 17-14 his first year here with that crowd and made the ACC final.

I still miss Danny Strong and those boys.

1/10/2007 12:26:10 AM

ahh, the Reynolds days

Corn Dog, Kenny, Damon, Kenny's fine ass white girlfriend....

those were the times

1/10/2007 12:28:04 AM

Tim Wells, Luke Buffum, Ish Benjamin, man I had forgotten all about some of these guys.

1/10/2007 12:30:12 AM

haha I ran into Ron Kelley at a football game, drunk off my ass. gave him a high five and told him he was my favorite player ever. he seemed surprised.

1/10/2007 12:33:46 AM

the Human Thumb

1/10/2007 12:35:50 AM

Quote :

"McCauley doesn't suck. He may be the only one that doesn't play with his head up his ass the entire game. The man works hard in the post on Off. and has his hands tied due to depth on D. Costner's the best player in the country with 1:30 left down 20."

1/10/2007 12:40:37 AM

not true ^

i think it's quite obvious that all of Herb's recruits suck balls and State will not be good again until we can purge all of his mistakes out of the program and start from scratch

1/10/2007 12:42:35 AM

HAY DUDE HOW'S ARIZONA STATE DOIN?

1/10/2007 2:12:03 AM

ASU is last among 10 teams (where 5 out of the 10 are in the top-25), while State is last among 12 teams. identical conference winning percentages

i've already acknowledged that ASU will be very lucky to win 10 games this season. it's tough when your leading scorer uses the new transfer rule to go play for his dad during his last year of eligibility, your second leading scorer fails drug tests and is kicked off the team and there are 3 true freshmen and a true sophomore starting and playing 30+ minutes every game and your other starter, a 5th year senior, only had 16 total points during 4 conference games

....looks like there's always next year for both teams

1/10/2007 9:17:47 AM

haha, you're like that guy who got dumped by a girl and just can't get over it.

1/10/2007 9:26:52 AM

i ususally just keep it in the ASU threads


every now and then I like to bring it to the other threads.

it wouldn't be fair to keep my opinion corralled

1/10/2007 9:30:35 AM

This was a pretty obvious troll post.

We are very young, very shallow, and our senior leadership just isnt very good at the game, or isnt even on the court.

Lowe has it going in the right direction, growing pains just suck.

1/10/2007 9:56:17 AM

i hate you people so much

1/10/2007 9:56:41 AM

You people

1/10/2007 10:08:51 AM

Arizona State basketball is awesome

1/10/2007 12:49:10 PM

Why are you guys even caring right now

Seriously, were you expecting a different result?

1/10/2007 12:58:41 PM

i don't see why people are bitching

everyone knew we would suck this year, but now when we actually do suck they are pissed

1/10/2007 1:03:02 PM

I personally like how we went from a fan base who DEMANDED the top results to a fanbase that collectively loses their shit when ONE thing about a game is criticized. It's like there is some sort of defense mechanism in place for some reason that I can't quite figure out. Yes, I'm generalizing.

God knows I think Coach Lowe is the man for the job but I don't see any reason why people would think if I criticize him or an aspect of a game it means I'm pining for the old coach or want Lowe gone.

----

Personally, I will say I was on the low end for expectations. I said preseason a .500 record would be quite an achievement and expected 4-5 ACC wins. Most people on here disagreed and said we would be a clear NIT team and some even said a borderline NCAA team. I chose to go the path of not being able to be let down by casting unrealistic expectations on the team.

I will say I would be disappointed if we ended up with less than 3 ACC wins because I feel the talent level is there to at least get to 4 or 5. I'm pretty confident Coach Lowe can get us to that point, but a lot of that will hinge on the Wake Forest game this weekend..

1/10/2007 1:12:55 PM

We SHOULD be able to beat Wake twice, and Miami and VT at least once each.

1/10/2007 1:14:53 PM

I love how people like Prawn Star and FitchNCSU act like Arizona State has ever been worth a shit in basketball and use that in hating on Herb and showing that he sucks. They are the worst basketball school among the BCS conferences.

^VT beat Duke and they are very guard oriented like Clemson, I don't think we have much chance.

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 1:37 PM. Reason : State]

1/10/2007 1:37:06 PM

Honestly, I wish Herb was fired after the 2001 season personally. Then we wouldn't have the revisionist history bullshit, we wouldn't have people so obsessed with him that every thing that happens this year is blamed on him, we wouldn't have to deal with the media and our fans reaction to it everytime those two words are brought up, and we wouldn't have to hear fans 'celebrating' what will likely be our worst season in 11 years.

And to clarify my last point. I don't mind the rebuilding year. Programs need those every so often unless you're Duke. I just am not going to sit here and say it's more enjoyable to get our asses kicked than it is to make the NCAA Tourney every year, because it isn't. When/if we surpass the Herb era under Lowe, I'll look back at this year and say it was necessary. However, as we're going through it, it blows..

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 1:47 PM. Reason : though packpride is undoubtedly more hilarious to read these days b/c of herb]

1/10/2007 1:42:24 PM

Quote :

"^VT beat Duke and they are very guard oriented like Clemson, I don't think we have much chance."

Duke's point guard is Greg Paulus, who is terrible.

And they are not Clemson.

We play them twice, and we should be able beat them at least once.

1/10/2007 2:24:00 PM

Quote :

"I chose to go the path of not being able to be let down by casting unrealistic expectations on the team. "

Amen


and I'm getting flammed like hell for calling Gavin Grant out for quitting on that play last night over on PP. Its one thing to get your ass beaten in, which is understandable this season, but dont piss and moan about it while you're on the court Gavin plz.

1/10/2007 2:29:19 PM

Quote :

"I love how people like Prawn Star and FitchNCSU act like Arizona State has ever been worth a shit in basketball and use that in hating on Herb and showing that he sucks. They are the worst basketball school among the BCS conferences."

I'm not hating on Herb. I'm hating on people who think NC State cannot do better than Herb. I like Herb and still do. But I'm greatly annoyed by people who seem to have more loyalty to Herb than to NC State and our new coach.

That's all.

Quote :

"God knows I think Coach Lowe is the man for the job but I don't see any reason why people would think if I criticize him or an aspect of a game it means I'm pining for the old coach or want Lowe gone."

True.

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 8:40 PM. Reason : :]

1/10/2007 8:38:33 PM

ok, so this herb/sidney shit is getting old guys, its the same arguments over and over, your comments were much appreciated the first 800 times I read over them, lets all just fucking move on.

IT IS WHAT IT IS

GO PACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/10/2007 8:59:22 PM

With Herb and this team, as it is now, we wouldn't be 0-3 in the conference at the moment

1/10/2007 9:08:31 PM

Quote :

"IT IS WHAT IT IS GO PACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

1/10/2007 9:09:46 PM

^^how do you know that?

for all you know, we could be 0-16 now

or 16-0...there is no way to know and who gives a shit because he isn't here anymore

1/10/2007 9:11:51 PM

^

1/10/2007 9:13:06 PM

I know that b/c Brandon Costner would be shooting 3 pointers the entire game instead of just the last 90 seconds when it doesn't matter

Ferguson would have more confidence in his shot

Fells would get benched for being lazy on defense

and Gavin Grant would be so annoyed at Herb that he wouldn't take the stupid shots that he sometimes does

1/10/2007 9:15:03 PM

Yeah, because Grant was such a smart, selective shooter last year.

1/10/2007 9:19:40 PM

i hope you're trolling

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 9:21 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/10/2007 9:21:00 PM

just telling it like it is

1/10/2007 9:33:36 PM

like it is? the fact is that we are 0-3 in the ACC and there is no way to know how we would have been under Herb. Stop living in the past and support your team!
/thread

1/10/2007 10:35:43 PM

NyM410, your post that began like this:

Quote :

"I personally like how we went from a fan base who DEMANDED the top results to a fanbase that collectively loses their shit when ONE thing about a game is criticized. It's like there is some sort of defense mechanism in place for some reason that I can't quite figure out. Yes, I'm generalizing."

sounds EXACTLY like the shit I'm dealing with from other Saints fans. It got so out of hand at one site, I banned myself from the messageboard.

1/10/2007 10:40:38 PM

I support the team

there's nothing wrong with stating the very obvious fact that we would have at least 1 ACC win with a Herb-structured team

again, the key word here is structure

depending on only gavin grant to win for us is not structure

1/10/2007 10:53:06 PM

you can't just say "it would definitely be like this," that's fucking stupid.

1/10/2007 10:55:33 PM

Herb would have been in the same predicament as Sid.... maybe even worse with our lack of shooting.

I think we would have been a hair better based on the fact that these players were recruited for his system and are more familiar with it.... but we wouldn't have been much better off.

Judging Sidney this year or the next is pointless IMO. I think we'll be able to see how good/bad of a coach he is a few seasons from now when Mays and Williams are freshmen.

That'll be Fells and McCauley as SR's
Costner, Degand, Fergie, and Horner as JR's
Next years class as Sophs (Hopefully Hickson will stay, if he's as good as advertised)
Williams, Mays, (And another?) as Freshmen

Hopefully by then we can have some kind of experienced depth and athleticism. As of now, we're in a new system, we're thin, and we're extremely young. I've pretty much conceded this and next year (And no, I never thought we'd even be an NIT team this year)



[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 11:28 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2007 11:24:52 PM

I like sid's offensive designs. Simple, efficient, and based fundamentally off of inside play. It's redundant to say that defense is our problem. We can't dictate flow if we can't make defensive stops.

1/10/2007 11:36:03 PM

Quote :

"Herb would have been in the same predicament as Sid.... maybe even worse with our lack of shooting."

Brackman may have had a harder time leaving

and with Simmons

and we have good, decent shooters, we just don't use them the way they should be used

1/10/2007 11:40:20 PM

Quote :

"Brackman may have had a harder time leaving and with Simmons"

they were gone either way

Quote :

"and we have good, decent shooters, we just don't use them the way they should be used"

oh, so you mean hovering around the arc and jacking up a shot with 2 seconds left on the clock?

1/10/2007 11:56:17 PM