any of you had any issues using them?

good or bad

1/12/2007 12:37:49 PM

have 15 mm spacers. no problems, but they may reduce the life of wheel bearing over time, especially if you go over certain size.

1/12/2007 12:43:55 PM

if they're aluminum make sure you torque them regularly

1/12/2007 12:52:37 PM

kool, im about to put some on the 4runner

1/12/2007 12:54:46 PM

I've got 1.5" spacers on the front of my runner. (86, SAS) and never had a problem with them. Did have a problem with some all-pro spacers on an 84 pickup I had. massive failure, leading to them breaking and almost losing a wheel. but I beat that truck pretty hard too. don't think you'll have any trouble.

what jeepman said too

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 3:22 PM. Reason : m]

1/12/2007 3:20:27 PM

i have some on my sas'd runner as well, I installed them with loctite red (in the stick form, great stuff), torqued them to speck, and chisled a notch in each nut and on the face of the spacer so I would know if they tried to back off. after about a year and a half, no movement at all.

1/12/2007 5:08:47 PM

^^
^ you two are talking about wheel adapters, not spacers.

adapters are safe.

spacers are not.

1/12/2007 6:59:23 PM

make sure if you get wheel spacers you get longer lug nuts.

1/12/2007 7:03:58 PM

^wtf for?

1/12/2007 7:15:20 PM

because you will compromise your security. if your lug nuts are 30 mm long and you put 15 mm spacers, your lug nuts will be 15 mm shorter. torquing 15 mm and 30 mm length bolt to a same spec will not be the same thing.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ds]

1/12/2007 7:21:15 PM

i think the spacers in question have their own lugs?

1/12/2007 7:45:13 PM

yeah, they do

they bolt to the hubs and have their own lugs

for widening a narrow stance / axle on an early 4runner

1/12/2007 7:50:19 PM

^those are fine. just retorque everything once or twice after the first few hundred miles. especially the spacers since they are aluminum and have to "seat" in.

Quote :

" if your lug nuts are 30 mm long and you put 15 mm spacers, your lug nuts will be 15 mm shorter. torquing 15 mm "

what in the HELL are you talking about?

please explain how a spacer makes lug nuts any shorter. yes, they will have less engagement on the wheel stud but they don't get shorter. longer ones aren;t going to do a damn thing except have even less engagement than the stock nuts.

i'm going to go out on a limb and assume you may be thinking the correct theory, you just have no clue what the correct terminology is or how the parts work.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 8:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2007 8:22:30 PM

give him a break ivan he is foreign

1/12/2007 8:23:42 PM

hahahahah this is funny


ok first of long lug nuts won't do shit but hang off further

second if you have big tires your wheel bearings will hate you for it

i know with 35s on a jeep my roomate had to change wheel bearings about every 2 oil changes.


third i'm probably going to get flamed for this because they really aren't much worse than wheels with fucked up offsets but... i still think if avoidable i would avoid it.

1/12/2007 8:41:35 PM

^^^so let me get this straight. first you ask all in wonder why do you need longer lug bolts, obviously not even realizing why is this important. then when my half-ass explanation in layman terms hits your brain, you go off to repeat exactly what i said just with grease monkey jargon. i dont need to impress anyone here, especially not in english composition.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 8:44 PM. Reason : f]

1/12/2007 8:44:46 PM

hes talking about studs, you need longer ones with spacers

and an inch difference in wheel offset puts a lot more force on the wheel bearing than a 1/2" spacer, ideally you want the center of your wheel over the center of the bearing, but that doesn't always happen, mine are set out 4" and I havent had any problems with massive loads on and behind the truck, because its a chevy, not a jeep

1/12/2007 8:48:46 PM

^^you are a fuckin dumbass. read what you have posted so far. it has nothing to do with english composition or "grease monkey jargon".

Quote :

"lug nuts "

idiot.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 8:52 PM. Reason : /]

1/12/2007 8:49:23 PM

die

1/12/2007 8:55:54 PM

quit shitting up threads with your incompetence.

1/12/2007 9:01:33 PM

Quote :

"^wtf for?"

thats your question you stupid, ignorant, motherfucking redneck. i listen to you here talk shit and praise yourself like being some hard nosed, risk loving evil knievel wanna be, when in fact you are nothing, but little insecure fuck who got himself seriously injured. i really wish you well in your recovery, because i wouldnt want that shit to happen to anyone. you would think that would teach you a lesson, but instead you come here parading with your useless comments, which do nothing but show how insecure you are. get a life loser. seriously.

1/12/2007 9:11:24 PM

lug nut:


wheel stud:


lug wrench:


the lug wrench is used to tighten the lug nut on the wheel stud.

1/12/2007 9:44:03 PM

Quote :

"thats your question"

yeah, that was my question in response to why in the hell would someone need longer lug nuts with spacers. as i suspected, your response was just as wrong as your advice in the first place. i also figured you were hopefully talking about wheel studs, not lug nuts which i said. rather than say "hey, sorry that's what i meant" or "i didn't know that's what they were called" you wanted to be a dick and try to give some stupid exscuse that you don't know english, when you type perfectly fine.

Quote :

"you stupid, ignorant, motherfucking redneck"

what makes me a redneck? because i have pictures of a truck in my photo gallery? i speak proper english. i don't have an accent. i grew up in the middle of raleigh. i wear nice clothes. i own a real house, not a trailer. i don't like the majority of country music. i'm a redneck how?

Quote :

"i listen to you here talk shit and praise yourself like being some hard nosed, risk loving evil knievel wanna be"

please show me anywhere i have bragged about what has happened to me. i haven't. sure, i've made jokes about it to make light of things. jokes. maybe it'd be better if i came on here whining and crying about how bad things suck? that's not who i am. i also made it very clear in at least one thread that the results of this most recent incident are most certainly the actions of a higher power.

i do happen to enjoy activities that involve alot of danger. it's bit me in the ass more than once. i've also done alot of stuff that i've gotten away with. i don't brag about it anywhere. i may post about it, but that's it. i challenge you to find any examples that i brag about what a "hard nosed, risk loving evil knievel wanna be" i think i am.

Quote :

"you would think that would teach you a lesson"

what lesson? that old men that run stop signs shouldn't drive? i didn't have a wreck doing something cool, i got t-boned by a fucking oldsmobile. my wreck last year some idiot pulled out in front of me and i layed the bike down. i've never posted any different, and like i said above i've given credit for how well i've faired under the circumstances elsewhere. i've not claimed that i'm some badass that cheats death. i've also posted more than once that after this i'm not riding anymore. i've tried to warn others on here of the dangers out there. that's acting like a real badass, huh?

i'm sorry it makes you angry when you post stupid shit and get called out for it. if you don't know what you're talking about, then don't post. i don't care if it's because you don't know english or because you simply don't know. if H8R didn't know any better or didn't haven someone to tell him different, he might go waste his money on new lug nuts based on what you said. see my point?

you also seem to take things way too seriously. i'm sure i can come off like an asshole on here, but i'm sure anyone that has met me off here irl will vouch that i'm not. many of them are people that used to hate me one here as much as you do.

lastly, i'm sure i'm probably insecure about some things in my life like anyone else. i promise you they have nothing to with how i post on tww, or my automotive knowledge though.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 9:53 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2007 9:50:00 PM

he was pretty obviously talking about studs

1/12/2007 9:58:03 PM

^^pwnd

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 10:02 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2007 10:01:40 PM

Quote :

"adapters are safe. spacers are not."

whatever mistakes 1inabillion may have made in his wording, this is just plain dumb. thanks for reminding me you're an idiot.

1/12/2007 10:06:31 PM

^right. show me where i'm wrong then. slip-on spacers, like the shit they sell at pep boys, are dangerous.

adapters, which bolt to the existing studs then have their own set of studs for the wheel, are safe. some people also call these spacers, but the "correct" term is adapter.

nice try.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 10:20 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2007 10:19:01 PM

shitty spacers are a bad idea. no shit. anything thats a total piece of trash is probably not something you want on your car.

quality spacers are not a problem, go fall off your bike again.

1/12/2007 10:25:08 PM

there's a brilliant comment. quality is mosty irrelevant to problem.

sure, if you get a nice set of billet, hub centric spacers in conjuction with some longer ARP studs it's not THAT bad for a car. you also don't have much of a choice if you're using certain wheels and only need a small extension. that doesn't make them that safe though, you still run a risk for lug nuts backing off and studs snapping if you don't keep a constant check on them. this is especially true on a 4wd that gets used. i'm sure you're familiar with the term polishing a turd. that's what "quality" spacers are.

adapters are the better choice, period. they are decidely the best option for the vehicle in question.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 10:39 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2007 10:38:20 PM

Sorry, I was talking about how you only have experience with a bunch of nigger rigged bullshit & don't have a damn clue what you're talking about. Something clearly evidenced by the blatant stupidity displayed in your earlier blanket statement.

My bad.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 10:45 PM. Reason : *]

1/12/2007 10:44:24 PM

Ivan thats your name right? Well if you wrote your posts as sincerely as you wrote your rebuttal to me, we wouldn't have no problems. You can obviously write without insults, once shit hits your fan.

In my 6+ years here I haven't had, but few real arguments and most of them were in soap box. It is because I don't talk about shit I know nothing about and I generally will not get into a discussion unless I have a solid background or working knowledge of the subject. Example: bikes, 4x4, trucks. I limit myself to questions.

I clearly mentioned my post was written poorly and in layman terms. I'M SORRY. Do you honestly think that H8R would post a question about wheel spacers if he couldn't distinguish between the fact that I wrote a nut instead of a bolt? Do you really think he would go and buy a longer lug nut? I will not go into a further spitting contest with you, as it serves no purpose. If you have an opinion about me as an incompetent fool, so be it, just don't try to be someone you are not.

get better

1/12/2007 10:44:54 PM

either way... you're putting a moment on the wheel bearing that they were not designed for.

btw if properly installed ... with longer studs etc. i've never seen the cheap shit ones have a problem

1/12/2007 11:19:52 PM

^^all of my posts are that sincere, i mean what i say. i don't go around here and insult/troll people for the hell of it. i didn't insult you at all until you refused to admit or understand what you had posted was wrong. if i throw out a comment to someone, i feel it was well deserved and is accurate. it doesn't mean i think you are an incompetent person in general, i don't know you. it was relative to the situation.

the reason i replyed like i did to you is because, in my opinion, you frequently post things that are wrong in the garage and then won't own up to it by making exscuses or talking shit. maybe it's an illusion of mine and you actually don't, or maybe you do.

i was going to give you the benefit of the doubt when i asked you WHY he would need longer lug nuts. in your reply, you still said he would need longer lug nuts. in two seperate posts. after i corrected you, i STILL gave you (and posted it) the benefit of the doubt that you probably had the correct theory, but had used the wrong terminology. you got pissed, and posted an insulting reply. i returned fire. some people WOULD go out and buy longer lug nuts, that's the point. H8R seems to be intelligent enough not to, but the point remains.

i'm not sure why you decided to make this such a personal argument when you don't even know me. maybe you thought your attacks and stereotypes might hurt me, or you were making things "real" or something? in any event, it doesn't make any difference. i don't act like anyone i'm not, on tww or irl.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 11:25 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2007 11:24:52 PM

Quote :

"btw if properly installed ... with longer studs etc. i've never seen the cheap shit ones have a problem"

i have personaly had and seen other have problems with cheap and "quality" slip on spacers, even with the proper precautions taken. i've also seen alot that have had no problem. it's just like anything else that's not adviseable, there's always going to be plenty of people that don't have problems. this is for cars. slip on spacers for a 4wd truck is absolutely stupid unless it's just a show vehicle or something.

the only issues i have ever experienced or seen with adapters have been a result of not torqueing things properly, and/or not rechecking them after putting some miles on them. in short, user error.

Quote :

"either way... you're putting a moment on the wheel bearing that they were not designed for."

what about so many cars being made today with ridiculous positive offsets? obviously they're not going to design something unsafe.

i agree there is a limit though. what amazes me is all the solid axle toyota guys using the 1.5" adapters and THEN 2" b.s. wheels with no problems.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 11:36 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2007 11:35:11 PM

Quote :

"in my opinion, you frequently post things that are wrong in the garage and then won't own up to it by making exscuses or talking shit. maybe it's an illusion of mine and you actually don't, or maybe you do."

?

1/13/2007 12:57:34 AM

I just bought 3" spacers to correct a 2" offset and then stick my wheels out 1"

I wanted the ZR2 wheels on my s10 but learned the hard way that the offset was not the same as the version S10 I have.

How long is my truck gonna last? 2 weeks?

[Edited on March 5, 2007 at 4:22 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/5/2007 4:19:46 PM

if you tighten the studs as tight as you should the studs themselves should only have a normal force on them...no shear... IE as long as you have enough threads to get the extra clamping force that having a wheel spacer will require to alleviate the oscillating load from the studs...you should be fine... until you ruin your wheel bearings etc.

This is assuming your spacers are a reasonable size... the larger they are the longer the stud has to be and the more the stud will stretch then they will need to be re-torqued until they either break or stop stretching.

i sure hope you didn't really get 3" spacers i know they make them for atvs but if someone started making them for cars they're idiots.





[Edited on March 5, 2007 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2007 4:28:44 PM

Any negative offset is nuts in my mind

centered up mounting faces I think are reasonable for most appications

[Edited on March 5, 2007 at 5:00 PM. Reason : but as a rule of thumb always stay positive with the offset]

3/5/2007 4:59:55 PM

i wouldn't want to run a spacer more than 20 mm. you offroad fools are retards

3/5/2007 5:05:33 PM

hubcentric + proper bolts/studs = A OK

3/5/2007 6:42:50 PM

i think everything is gonna be OK thanks to you guys


i'll be back in a month with photos of a missing wheel

3/6/2007 4:21:36 PM

ok so I installed the 3" spacers and i'm feeling a slight wobble now when both coasting and giving the car gas

the tires are balanced

assuming the spacers are perfectly made and installed - what else could cause this?

I'm wondering if the alignment could be off now that all tires are effectively 1" further out

4/6/2007 1:08:14 PM

my wheel fell off




fuck!

4/8/2007 7:46:47 PM

if you're serious I'm going to have to laugh. circumstances? were you using spacers or adapters? the wobble should have been a clue that something was amiss.

4/8/2007 7:53:38 PM

.....


ahahahahahahahahaha

4/8/2007 8:01:42 PM

out loud!

4/8/2007 8:31:46 PM

LMAO

4/8/2007 9:08:43 PM

3" spacers ftl

4/8/2007 9:11:31 PM