....hypocrite.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070112-120720-2734r.htm

Both Star Kist and Del Monte are headquartered in San Francisco and both have an exemption in the new mimimum wage hike the Dems are trying to pass. Why would Pelosi and her party want to keep anyone from making "a living wage"?

Can you say kickback.

1/12/2007 10:29:32 PM

I'd say it's more of her just being the hypocritical cunt that she is, rather than a kickback

1/12/2007 10:32:38 PM

why not let the facts vet themselves out before we start calling people hypocrites etc.

1/12/2007 10:33:41 PM

republicans dont like facts...just look at the iraq war

lol j/k

1/12/2007 10:37:16 PM

it's already proven that she is one though


hence her having the need to possess a concealed carry permit while telling the rest of america that they shouldn't

1/12/2007 10:37:16 PM

Quote :

"Some Republicans who voted in favor of the minimum-wage bill were particularly irritated to learn yesterday -- after their vote -- that the legislation did not include American Samoa. "I was troubled to learn of this exemption," said Rep. Mark Steven Kirk, Illinois Republican. "My intention was to raise the minimum wage for everyone. We shouldn't permit any special favors or exemptions that are not widely discussed in Congress. This is the problem with rushing legislation through without full debate." "

Off topic, but if you're going to gripe, learn to read the fucking legislation you're passing, dumbasses. Even if you don't read it all, at least have a thorough understanding of the content.

[Edited on January 12, 2007 at 10:48 PM. Reason : pre-emptive: Yes, this applies to anyone, not just Repubs.]

1/12/2007 10:47:35 PM

SRSLY
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=455451

1/12/2007 10:53:23 PM

ibtl

1/12/2007 11:03:17 PM

he probably just thought it was another thread about liberals being hypocrites


anyway, pelosi is still a hypocritical cunt that doesn't give a fuck about rights

1/12/2007 11:09:09 PM

cunt

1/12/2007 11:44:23 PM

". . .one of the wealthiest members of Congress. ([Former] House Speaker Dennis Hastert, for example, is worth less than $1 million. Pelosi is worth more than $50 million.)"

". . .[an investor who has] approximately $1 million in [CordeValle Golf Club and golf development]. . .it has wiggled out of its environmental regulatory obligations. . . ."

". . .[a vineyard owner who has] used several different harvesters, but they all have one thing in common: None have contracts with the UFW [United Farm Workers of America]."

". . .[a vineyard owner who] sells [her] grapes to the non-union wineries Liparita Cellars and Roche."

And so on with the hypocrisy.

1/13/2007 12:06:10 AM

its not her fault if republicans cant read legislation before voting

1/13/2007 12:11:51 AM

go figure

a liberal tries to legislate her subjects to do what she wants them to do

while she does as she pleases




nope, nothing wrong with that

I hate politicians

1/13/2007 12:13:26 AM

^^^She'd be a much better person if she laughed about dogs being shot by accident...you know, because that's hilarious!

1/13/2007 12:13:36 AM

^^how is that a liberal thing?

1/13/2007 12:15:08 AM

Quote :

"go figure a liberal tries to legislate her subjects to do what she wants them to do while she does as she pleases"

Is this a joke?!?!??!

Read your fucking history (newspapers within the past decade).

I'm sure you have plenty of legitimate things to say...but come on, this has got to be joke.

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 12:17 AM. Reason : aaa]

1/13/2007 12:15:45 AM

Quote :

"Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007 (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House) HR 2 EH 110th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AN ACT To amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide for an increase in the Federal minimum wage. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007'. SEC. 2. MINIMUM WAGE. (a) In General- Section 6(a)(1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (29 U.S.C. 206(a)(1)) is amended to read as follows: `(1) except as otherwise provided in this section, not less than-- `(A) $5.85 an hour, beginning on the 60th day after the date of enactment of the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007; `(B) $6.55 an hour, beginning 12 months after that 60th day; and `(C) $7.25 an hour, beginning 24 months after that 60th day;'. (b) Effective Date- The amendment made by subsection (a) shall take effect 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act. SEC. 3. APPLICABILITY OF MINIMUM WAGE TO THE COMMONWEALTH OF THE NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS. (a) In General- Section 6 of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (29 U.S.C. 206) shall apply to the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands. (b) Transition- Notwithstanding subsection (a), the minimum wage applicable to the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands under section 6(a)(1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (29 U.S.C. 206(a)(1)) shall be-- (1) $3.55 an hour, beginning on the 60th day after the date of enactment of this Act; and (2) increased by $0.50 an hour (or such lesser amount as may be necessary to equal the minimum wage under section 6(a)(1) of such Act), beginning 6 months after the date of enactment of this Act and every 6 months thereafter until the minimum wage applicable to the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands under this subsection is equal to the minimum wage set forth in such section. Passed the House of Representatives January 10, 2007. Attest: Clerk. 110th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 2 AN ACT To amend the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to provide for an increase in the Federal minimum wage. "

This is not a long act to read. It has three sections. One section is dedicated to amending a law to apply to the Northern Mariana Islands. Upon reading said section, or even merely the section title, one may wonder why the Northern Mariana Islands gets special attention. One might further wonder if any other territories might still be excluded.

This isn't exactly complicated. Learn to read, and learn to think critically, and then you can learn to whine.

1/13/2007 12:15:55 AM

As long as they still have indentured servants there, we can reap the rewards of cheap-ass t-shirts with "Made in America" labels on 'em.

1/13/2007 12:18:18 AM

How did the democrats get power?

Oh yeah that whole Iraq thing.

1/13/2007 12:19:44 AM

Quote :

"how is that a liberal thing?"

ummm, other than the patriot act, which I am not for, the conservatives tend to leave me alone and let me live my life


but democrats have a thing for legislating feel good laws that don't do shit

I'm in NJ right now and apparently I am "safe" up here because the dems and the idiots who have elected them up here have passed laws virtually banning possession of a firearm

ok, yeah, I'm safe because of that, all under the guise of "reducing crime"

no, you have just turned me into a potential victim, thanks assholes, I won't be returning

one city up here has passed an ordinance that virtually eliminates anyone from possessing firearms that have no external safety, no double action triggers, or barrel less than 4" long

under the guise of reducing gang violence... and this law pretty much hurts the people that need a firearm the most in a bad neighborhood (poor, women, elderly, etc)

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 12:27 AM. Reason : lol, you people get so mad]

1/13/2007 12:24:53 AM

wow dude, you are in your own little fantasy land

1/13/2007 12:34:23 AM

how is that?


just because you want to be a potential victim I'm supposed to want to also?


no, thanks

1/13/2007 12:36:20 AM

^^No, THEY are in their own little fantasy land. Criminals do not give a fuck whether the weapons they carry are legal or not. Passing laws banning the posession of a firearm puts those who obey the law in peril because they cannot legally defend themselves against illegally armed criminals.

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 12:38 AM. Reason : v]

1/13/2007 12:38:18 AM

if something happens I'll call the ACLU since they care about rights!!!

1/13/2007 12:40:34 AM

im not talking about the guns, im talking about the claim that except for the patriot acts no republicans are hypocrites or interfere with your business


but about the guns, in new jersey you just need a permit for a handgun. if all of the municipalities have stricter guidelines its important to note that 18 of the districts are republican.

1/13/2007 12:41:04 AM

they leave me and my interests alone for the most part... I'm not gay, never gonna have an abortion, don't give a shit about religion... I look out for me and whats best for me and when I'm in a financial position to actually help people, I will

so you sit around and be a victim, give everyone money you work for, whatever makes you feel good at night, but don't push what you think I should do or be, on to me

and yeah, fuck the patriot act



and you are dead wrong about purchasing a firearm here

1/13/2007 12:46:02 AM

i guess you also arent a soldier being sacrificed for nothing

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 12:49 AM. Reason : and im right about new jersey, i just went to the state legislature website and read the law]

1/13/2007 12:47:39 AM

wrong


I'm a retard because I don't agree with you huh

I left the "gun laws of NJ" brochure that I picked up from teh SPNJ at the table in the convention center, I'll post what it says

but you're either in denial, an idiot, or have not a clue about firearms laws in either state



[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 12:51 AM. Reason : .]

1/13/2007 12:49:06 AM

http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf/firearms/njac-title13-ch54.pdf
http://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=122195&Depth=4&TD=WRAP&advquery=2C%3a39-1%20%20Definitions&headingswithhits=on&infobase=statutes.nfo&rank=&record={1789}&softpage=Doc_Frame_Pg42&wordsaroundhits=2&x=46&y=8&zz=
http://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=122257&Depth=4&TD=WRAP&advquery=2C%3a58-1.%20%20Registration%20of%20manufacturers%20and%20wholesale%20dealers%20of%20firearms&headingswithhits=on&infobase=statutes.nfo&rank=&record={1903}&softpage=Doc_Frame_Pg42&wordsaroundhits=2&x=35&y=14&zz=

sigh

Quote :

"(a) Every person issued a permit to purchase a handgun, or a firearms purchaser identification card, shall be 18 years of age and of good repute in the community in which he lives. (b) A permit to purchase a handgun, or a firearm purchaser identification card, shall not be issued to any person: 1. Who has been convicted of any crime; 2. Who is drug dependent as defined by N.J.S.A. 24:21-2; 3. Who has been or is then confined for a mental disorder in any institution; 4. Who is a habitual drunkard or an alcoholic; 5. Who suffers from a physical defect or disease which would make it unsafe for him or her to handle firearms; 6. Who knowingly falsifies any information on the application form for a permit to purchase a handgun or firearms purchaser identification card; 7. Who refuses to waive statutory or other rights of confidentiality relating to institutional confinement; or 8. Where the issuance would otherwise not be in the interest of the public health, safety and welfare."

so... you cant get a gun in new jersey? which one of those do you fit?

i mean chapter 2 even tells you what to do for your concealed carry. but keep living in your "GRRR LIBERALS" fantasy land

(and dont forget new jersey has 18/50 conservative districts)

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 12:55 AM. Reason : .]

1/13/2007 12:51:42 AM

very different




if you actually knew what you were trying to talk about you'd probably agree with me, but you're a person that hates and wants to legislate something that you have not a clue about...



why were firearms the only material object that the framers of the constitution made a point to include?

1/13/2007 12:54:56 AM

i can agree that republican is the right party since as you said, you dont care about anyone else

but you can have a handgun in new jersey, you just need a permit. i posted the state laws that explain how to get a permit. if you want to cary you can get your permit for that too.

but keep living in your fantasy land, i have to get back to work.

1/13/2007 12:57:32 AM

also i see that you are in edison new jersey. just south of you is a republican district, so surely there you can carry your weapon. right? i mean your black and white view of the world dictates that.

1/13/2007 1:02:06 AM

I care about plenty of people, I just care about myself first... guess I'm a bad person

i'd prefer something other than the republicans that are in office now also, but I damn sure don't want a liberal in office either...


I can't possess my pistol here

I can't carry it concealed here, even though almost every state in the union allows me to

I am not a criminal


more than half of the weapons I own are ILLEGAL to possess in this state, even in a home, if I were to choose to live here

so you keep choosing to be what you are, I don't care, I just ask that you leave me and my affairs alone since I am not breaking the law or harming anyone...

like I said, if you ahd the slightest clue about firearms and the laws pertaining to them, you'd realize that I'm right and that the state of NJ and a few others are trampling the constitution of the United States in the name of "safety"

but keep living in your fantasy land of utopia, gumdrop rain showers, and chocolate rivers, children singing and playing under perpetual rainbows and all that perfect world bullshit that you love oh so much

and when you need someone to help you out, I hope they make it in time

you're a goddamn idiot, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, it's a state law, not a district law, and yeah, some republicans have voted FOR this bullshit, along with ALL of the dems in this state, the only NO votes came from republicans....


PS, I'll post the votes and the laws tomorrow

unlike your bitch ass, I care about all of the rights provided to me by the constitution

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 1:09 AM. Reason : I DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT SOMETHING BUT I HATE IT]

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 1:10 AM. Reason : tool]

1/13/2007 1:06:00 AM

well apparently no one has told the state of new jersey, because their law doesnt agree with you
i mean the fucking links are right there

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 1:15 AM. Reason : i posted state laws you mongoloid]

Quote :

"I can't possess my pistol here I can't carry it concealed here, even though almost every state in the union allows me to I am not a criminal "

Quote :

"13:54-2.3 Criteria for the issuance of a permit to carry a handgun (a) No application for a permit to carry a handgun shall be approved by a police chief of a municipality, the Superintendent or the Superior Court, unless the applicant: 1. Is a person of good character who is not subject to any of the disabilities which would prevent him or her from"

obtaining a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card as provided in this chapter;
2. Has demonstrated that at the time of the application for the permit he or she is thoroughly familiar with the safe
handling and use of handguns; and
3. Has demonstrated a justifiable need to carry a handgun.

...

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 1:18 AM. Reason : .]

1/13/2007 1:14:34 AM

you're a fucking idiot

^ guess who refuses to sign CCWPs unless you are a politician here?

Quote :

"I can't possess my pistol here I can't carry it concealed here, even though almost every state in the union allows me to I am not a criminal more than half of the weapons I own are ILLEGAL to possess in this state, even in a home, if I were to choose to live here"

it's that simple, I am 100% correct, PROVE TO ME THAT I (a non criminal, resident of the state of North Carolina, possessing a concelead carry permit and more than adequate training, that is valid in almost every state in the union except for CA, NJ, NY, district of columbia) AM WRONG

and thats that

you are fucking wrong

and I think you're a fucking tool

I don't usually despise people on here, but you're getting there...

have you had a stroke, or bumped your fucking head?

you are wrong, so wrong, and IF YOU HAD THE SLIGHTEST GODDAMN CLUE ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU'D REALIZE THIS

I don't give a fuck what you like/dislike, whatever, i don't care it's your life

but you have ABSOLUTELY no right to force how you want people to act on other people

lol mongoloid, better that than a pansy ass little cocksucking faggot like yourself huh

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 1:20 AM. Reason : you don't know shit but think you know it all]

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 1:25 AM. Reason : idiot]

1/13/2007 1:19:06 AM

yep, every cheif of police and court is damn gun hating liberal

you fucking idiot

OMG THIS PAMHPLET SAYS NEW JERSEY BANNED GUNS

haha keep backpedaling

1/13/2007 1:23:27 AM

but no, you are right. we dont need permits, every mental patient and former convict should have their right to carry a handgun.

1/13/2007 1:24:47 AM

the fucking brochure is printed by the STATE POLICE OF NEW FUCKING JERSEY and was handed to me by an officer when I asked what the laws were

the states don't issue permits, the chief or sheriff issues them

so keep on with you're typical, "I'm a well informed liberal know it all, I hate something even though i don't know a fucking thing about it bullshit"


so you're telling me that my guns are legal in this state and I can carry a weapon here?
which is good to know, because according to the fucking STATE POLICE, i can't do that and more than half of the guns I legally own are illegal here, but I guess you know better than they do right?

well I'm saddended that I chose to leave any and all firearms at home because i thought I was being a law abiding citizen and potentially exposed myself to become a victim when I could have carried a gun up here into this hell hole

goddamn you are dense

and wrong

how the fuck have I backpedaled you fucking retard?

i know more about firearms and laws than 95% of the people on here... especially your bitch ass

Quote :

"former convict should have their right to carry a handgun."

why not, the man or woman has paid for their crime, should they not be allowed to defend theirself like any other american was given the right to?


you idiots are all about legislating inanimate objects..

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 1:33 AM. Reason : you're an idiot and losing this battle, and still haven't proven shit]

1/13/2007 1:27:33 AM

why do you feel that I should not be allowed to carry a handgun?

1/13/2007 3:01:00 AM

Quote :

" so you're telling me that my guns are legal in this state and I can carry a weapon here?"

your ccpw is for the state of North Carolina, not New Jersey. But States Rights and all, unless it inconviences me.

Quote :

" you idiots are all about legislating inanimate objects.."

inanimate objects are not being legislated. The people who carry those inanimate objects are being legislated.

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 5:05 AM. Reason : .]

1/13/2007 5:03:25 AM

no shit jason... I know that, but apparently this jackass doesn't

and he apparently thinks that I can carry up here


he's so hung up on trying to prove to me that the laws up here aren't that much different than in NC (in his own little brain) that he is taking facts and conveniently ignoring them

it would help if he had an idea (in real life and not a video game) about what he hates

would also help if he'd mind his own business instead of worrying about what other law abiding citizens do

and he still hasn't even approached the fact that I can't carry here, and more than half of the firearms I own would land me in jail in this state(even if found in my home)... but he's all about picking and choosing rights when it comes to other laws


ok, let me reword it, why do people want to legisislate inanimate objects, IE plants and machinery?

whatever, some people don't mind if they become victims, but that doesn't mean they should force people that don't feel the same way to become victims

Quote :

"why do you feel that I should not be allowed to carry a handgun?"

1/13/2007 9:18:47 AM

Quote :

"lol, you people get so mad"

pot kettle black.

and i wonder if you're really all that concerned w/ protection, or if you're one of the many gun owners who feels tougher w/ a gun and identifies with them more as a surrogate giant penis than as a tool. that's the reason why i rejected the NRA, even though i am an owner myself (member of USA Shooting, the olympic org., since 1994). if someone votes solely b/c of their gun and whether or not they have to register them (no party is trying to band them outright, that won't happen anyway, it's too much a part of our culture), then they're doing a disservice to themself and democracy.

What would the framers of the constitution say? Well, it seems that the 2nd amendment has not been violated, according to the laws on the book, being that it didn't state anything with regards to issue of permits by the state which, according to the law, you should be able to get. If not, I doubt noone in the state of NJ would be interested in challenging this. Sounds like more of an instance of a crooked cop. I take it you weren't beligerent or overly demanding?

NJ is a hellhole, but mostly because it smells like shit and is just one chemical plant after another.

I AM SO ANGRY, BUT NOT REALLY, YOU ARE THE ANGRY ONE

V Well, he keeps bitching about it, no?



[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 10:45 AM. Reason : .]

1/13/2007 10:23:30 AM

This gun thing is getting old.

I think I should be allowed to have sex for money legally.

But I don't bring it up in every thread.

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 10:53 AM. Reason : ^I don't want to direct this post at you. It's about pwrstrkdf250.]

1/13/2007 10:40:04 AM

this thread is adorable

1/13/2007 10:54:00 AM

1/13/2007 11:27:35 AM

Quote :

"you're a goddamn idiot, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, it's a state law, not a district law, and yeah, some republicans have voted FOR this bullshit, along with ALL of the dems in this state, the only NO votes came from republicans.... "

Can you blame them? A new study shows what people have thought for a while, that higher rates of gun ownership coincide with higher homicide rates: http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2007/1/12/6601

I don't agree guns should be banned, but they should be regulated. People who are voting for tighter restrictions though aren't bad, they're just misguided. It goes back to that phrase "those who would sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither" or something like that.

1/13/2007 12:03:44 PM

can anyone answer how passing laws that violate the second amendment in the name of freedom is so much worse than passing laws that violate the first, fourth and fifth amendments in the name of freedom?

1/13/2007 12:18:15 PM

Well, you can't really defend yourself from an assailant w/ words...but I respect them all, really.

1/13/2007 12:19:57 PM

Im a little confused. Greg, do you work in American Samoa? because in this thread you said you dont care about things that dont interfere with your life, so why are you even posting in this thread?

1/13/2007 1:37:42 PM

Quote :

"A new study shows what people have thought for a while, that higher rates of gun ownership coincide with higher homicide rates: http://arstechnica.com/journals/science.ars/2007/1/12/6601"

This thread has no room for logic or rational thought.

We simply need more guns.

Quote :

"why were firearms the only material object that the framers of the constitution made a point to include?"

Oh boy. Maybe so that states could defend themselves from outside forces or from a tyranny? You know, those things were an issue 200 years ago. I don't think they meant for every fucking redneck in 2007 to be packing heat all the time.

[Edited on January 13, 2007 at 2:45 PM. Reason : :]

1/13/2007 2:36:56 PM