How do you think we would have done next year? With another year, maybe our guys would have had what it took to get over the hump.

Hooray for rebuilding!

1/15/2007 5:54:55 PM

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1/15/2007 5:55:23 PM

wow

1/15/2007 5:56:19 PM

They should have figured out what it takes to get over the hump after we nailed Notre Dame down in Jacksonville a few years ago.

1/15/2007 5:58:06 PM

He would have done great next year. We would still have that pipe-line of recruits from south florida. But I have alot of info to discuss on this issue, a thread will be coming soon.

1/15/2007 5:59:23 PM

what the hell are we rebuilding from? we lost 1 quarterback and we cant get it together? i highly doubt amato wouldve done anything special next year

1/15/2007 6:05:32 PM

seriously, lock this shit.

1/15/2007 6:22:00 PM

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"They should have figured out what it takes to get over the hump after we nailed Notre Dame down in Jacksonville a few years ago."

1/15/2007 6:24:27 PM

acctually I think it's a decent question. we have serviceable quarterbacks on our roster for the first time in the last 2-3 years. I could see state doing better



if you can believe the hype. beck and burke are supposedly in different sections of athletic ability than stone davis and evans

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 6:26 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 6:25:00 PM

its a question thats been asked and discussed

1/15/2007 6:26:59 PM

this is true.

1/15/2007 6:27:23 PM

why dwell

1/15/2007 6:29:34 PM

I'm interested in what this Burke kid can do. I'm also wondering if our defense will be able to hold ANYBODY.

1/15/2007 6:32:18 PM

Amato sucks.

Why can't people realize this?

1/15/2007 6:49:30 PM

Iwould say at 3-9 I hope THIS year was a rebuilding year.

1/15/2007 6:54:05 PM

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"we have serviceable quarterbacks on our roster for the first time in the last 2-3 years."

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"if you can believe the hype. beck and burke are supposedly in different sections of athletic ability than stone davis and evans"

stone and davis were both supposed to be hot shit coming out of HS. its DEVELOPING the players which made amato shit. recruiting only gets you so far.

hell even mike greco was supposed to be the heir to rivers' throne and he fucking transferred out after sitting at the bottom of the depth chart.

1/15/2007 6:59:08 PM

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" if you can believe the hype. beck and burke are supposedly in different sections of athletic ability than stone davis and evans"

since when was stone's problem lack of athletic ability?

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"I'm interested in what this Burke kid can do. I'm also wondering if our defense will be able to hold ANYBODY."

I think everybody who pays any attention to State football is interested in Burke . . . and Beck

The defense wasn't overly good this year . . . couldn't stop a 3rd down play if their life depended on it.

1/15/2007 7:05:57 PM

IF Amato stayed another year we would win 5-6 games ... the rest of our losses would equal about 15 points combined.

1/15/2007 7:17:13 PM

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"a thread will be coming soon."

Cannot

Fucking

Wait

1/15/2007 7:17:14 PM

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"since when was stone's problem lack of athletic ability?"

stones throwing ability is suspect at best. burke -should- turn out to be a much better passer, time will tell I assume

1/15/2007 7:29:09 PM

I'm interested in this coming thread about why Amato should have been retained. Hopefully it will involve informed commentary and not talk about his glasses and shoes.

He had that fire.

1/15/2007 8:12:53 PM

If he did stay, there would be so many rumors with Cowher replacing him if he failed expectations again with every loss.

1/15/2007 8:41:02 PM

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"hell even mike greco was supposed to be the heir to rivers' throne and he fucking transferred out after sitting at the bottom of the depth chart."

no, greco fucking sucked.

1/15/2007 8:42:47 PM

he was hot shit coming out of high school though. just like everyone though davis and stone were. the point is amato/amato's staff couldn't develop a QB past his high school abilities, which is why stone always looked so damn lost on the field.

1/15/2007 8:45:05 PM

i guarantee this so called new thread will contain the words "fact" and "victor" and maybe even "dad-gom"

1/15/2007 8:45:10 PM

^^ ryan leaf was hot shit comingout of college. way to go chargers not developing him ...


stone has the iq of a turnip, that's why he looked lost.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 8:50 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 8:49:02 PM

greco was never the "hot shit" as a qb, his numbers were fucking awful. he was a damn good athlete, but never the "hot shit" as a qb.

1/15/2007 8:51:57 PM

If he stayed another year we could have fired him and gotten Cowher

1/15/2007 8:52:20 PM

If he stayed another year I would have bought basketball season tickets instead of football next year.

1/15/2007 8:54:10 PM

haha. I may have to unblock Earl when he makes this thread. I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of funny shit in it.

1/15/2007 9:01:27 PM

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"stone has the iq of a turnip, that's why he looked lost."

so then gg to amato who was such an awesome recruiter that he recognized stone as a total moron and placed the offense in his hands.

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"greco was never the "hot shit" as a qb"

he was the #30 rated QB nationally and #9 "dual-threat" QB out of HS. stone was the #2 dual threat QB. state had high expectations for both; neither panned out to shit. you mean to tell me that doesn't scream poor coaching? there HAD to be some talent in there somewhere.

1/15/2007 9:03:02 PM

^^^ That would have been nice.

1/15/2007 9:03:23 PM

^^ Except it's obvious that Marcus Stone is as dumb as a brick and got by on physical prowess alone in high school.

1/15/2007 9:09:30 PM

cue "shut the fuck up" gif

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:10 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2007 9:10:32 PM

stone was too busy trying to keep his hair all pretty than anything else.

1/15/2007 9:19:00 PM

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" so then gg to amato who was such an awesome recruiter that he recognized stone as a total moron and placed the offense in his hands. "

as apposed to who ? who else could we turn to?

that's a pretty weak argument. call amato a terrible coach if you want but most agree recruiting was our staff's strong point.

1/15/2007 9:22:35 PM

the original argument was that we don't know what amato could have done with the possibility of beck and/or burke at QB. ^ my point above was that if stone's problem was intelligence, why was he recruited to begin with?

these are two highly touted QB's who haven't seen any game experience for us and we really don't know much about them. who can say if they're serviceable or not? amato thought stone, davis and greco would be too but obviously that turned out poorly.

he'd been here 7 years. he couldn't cut it without rivers making him look good.



[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:29 PM. Reason : ^]

1/15/2007 9:27:43 PM

and my point is stone was recruited for the same reason Ryan Leaf was drafted...

I'm almost positive the Chargers didn't foresee his breakdown and thought ... hrm well maybe we can get a good year our two out of him first !!



for as solid as our other position players recruiting has been ... our luck with qb's have been the polar opposite.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:38 PM. Reason : last sentence]

1/15/2007 9:36:21 PM

lock this shit up.

1/15/2007 10:41:07 PM

I like how guys like Ryan Leaf (Sam Bowie, Charlie Ward-football, Tim Couch, etc) get discussed like they are the rule rather than the exception. Give me any of the top picks and there's a great chance they will be pretty good. If the lottery picks in both sports were all Hall of Famers, drafts wouldn't be nearly as interesting. I don't even remember Leaf being that great in college anyway, there are plenty of QB's to get to the Rose Bowl who aren't and shoudn't be anoited the next Montana.

It's like someone saying, he's too short to play basketball, and then immediatley the Tyrone Bogues and Earl Boykins arguments come up. Sure, ok, you can have all the players under 5'9", and I'll take all the ones over, and we will see who makes out well. Exceptions are great stories, and make for good motivation, but they are just that, exceptions, not the rule.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 11:41 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 11:37:24 PM

^thank you.

1/16/2007 12:10:21 AM

Wake won the ACC this year. They always land a fuckload of 5 star recruits.

1/16/2007 12:46:19 AM

^ case in point...

You take Wake, I'll take ______ (insert perrenial Powerhouse), and over the next 5 seasons, see who has more winning seasons/con. championships/BCS appearances, I'll even include this year and spot you 1, and I'll take a powerhouse team that didn't get to the BCS this season.

1/16/2007 12:59:52 AM

no


my point is that it CAN be done. One thing working against teams like Wake is that when it IS done, their coaches usually bolt for bigger and better teams.


Thing that pisses people off is that Amato didnt recruit poorly and got stomped consistently by teams who recruited worse than him, yet made great players out of some of these "diamonds in the rough". It doesnt make a bit of sense, but it happened.

1/16/2007 1:04:00 AM

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"my point is that it CAN be done."

No one is saying it can't be done, but bringing up these rare instances all the time when a reporter/commentator states the rule leads people to believe just that, that the exceptions happen all the time, when in reality, they are very rare.

Sorry, But I just don't think Amato recruited that well, solid, but not off the charts. He had a top ten class once (Stone helped that class crack the top ten BTW), all others were above 20 I believe. Wake would fit your criteria of beating Amato with "lesser" players. But they also smacked FSU/Maryland/Georgia tech around, so you can't pin that on Amato, and you would certianly have to say FSU recruits well above us and maryland nearly the same, with Tech slightly below (over the last 5 years).

1/16/2007 1:19:17 AM

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"He would have done great next year. We would still have that pipe-line of recruits from south florida. But I have alot of info to discuss on this issue, a thread will be coming soon."

Amato is so awesome that FIU didn't even want him. Instead FIU opted for a douche offensive line coach from UM with very little experience. Amato is one of the worst X's and O's coaches of all time. Everyone knows this.

Of course, I shouldn't be surprised Earl would say something so stupid.

1/16/2007 1:54:02 AM

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"What if Amato stayed another year... "

Not sure what would happen on the field but I am sure that I wouldn't be very excited about it.

If I had to venture a guess... 4-8, guaranteed loss to UNC, declining interest in our football program. That's just a guess though.

1/16/2007 7:38:08 AM

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"No one is saying it can't be done, but bringing up these rare instances all the time when a reporter/commentator states the rule leads people to believe just that, that the exceptions happen all the time, when in reality, they are very rare. "

I dont know why you guys cant accept the "rare instances" like Wake Forest when in reality, they have become more and more common recently. Boise State just won the freakin Fiesta Bowl. (I think Oklahoma sucks asshole though so...)

[Edited on January 16, 2007 at 11:43 AM. Reason : ]

1/16/2007 11:42:31 AM

Yes, Boise is an above average team who beat one of the big boys, that is certainly praise worthy. OU having lost Bomar, and still making it to a BCS says a lot to me regarding the Sooners. I'd just love for Boise to play in a conference like the SEC or Big eleven. You can't tell me there woopty doo, oopty oop offense would work for 13 straight weeks against smash mouth defenses of the Big eleven, or the natural disaster like speed of SEC defenses. Their success depends soley on their offense, and I'd like to get a gimpse of a team like Wisconsin/tOSU running it down theri throats keeping Zebransky on the sidelines all game. Sure, Boise could easily go 10-2 or 9-3, but 13-0, doubtful. Now, it's not Boise's fault they don't play these teams, because If I'm in the SEC, I don't dare play them with the Conf. schedule I have to play, which is why Georgia gets credit for introducing them to the woodshed last season I believe.

1/16/2007 4:22:34 PM

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"Not sure what would happen on the field but I am sure that I wouldn't be very excited about it. If I had to venture a guess... 4-8, guaranteed loss to UNC, declining interest in our football program. That's just a guess though"

Then they would've torn down Vaugh Towers and the Murphy center to take Carter-Finley back to the days before Amato arrived.

1/16/2007 4:35:51 PM